The Dark Knight Pre-credits Prologue : The Joker's origin.

[gwynplaine]

The great British movie magazine Empire has hinted in its August issue that there might be a pre-credits prologue sequence adressing the Joker's origin.

Do you prefer your Joker originless like in Batman #1, (or like he's so far rumoured to be in TDK.)

Would you like some form of origin to be featured in the film, chemical vat, skin condition, zipline, Batarang etc... ?

Or do you think the pre-credits prologue gimmick is a good idea ?

And would you like to see Heath's real face at some point implying that we see some form of transformation of the character, other than his Joker's physique getting worse and worse throughout the movie ?

Thank you. Should you find this thread useless just ignore it and it'll go away peacefully into the sunset.

 

[Gianakin_]

Whatever happens, if done well, is fine with me.

 

[Crook]

Can you elaborate on what they printed out? I was under the impression at best, we'd get flashes of his origin throughout the film, but they'd be so vague that the puzzles wouldn't exactly fit to make a whole.

 

[Devan]

Good thread.

Sounds pretty good...Maybe he won't be so originless after all.

BTW, doesn't this mean jett is wrong

 

[antmanx68]

well I doubt we'll se a pre-credits ANYTHING involving the joker's origin because he appears to be a guy in makeup throughout the duration of the film. It would be kind of boring to see Heath not being loved by his mother and teachers leading him to become a makeup wearing criminal.

 

[Figs]

Good thread.

Sounds pretty good...Maybe he won't be so originless after all.

BTW, doesn't this mean jett is wrong

What did Jett say?

 

[The Redux 714]

"pre-credit prologue"...kinda redundent...


I prefer to have my Joker completely a mystery.

Perhaps just something setting up why he's "missing" from his gang, or just a little taste of what to expect outta Mr. Happy.

 

[Devan]

What did Jett say?

He always said refering to the jokers origin that "he just is".

 

[The Redux 714]

What did Jett say?

I think he said something about how Joker is just gonna be Joker, no backstory or explaination as to why he is...the way he is. Just we start teh movie and are rammed right into full Joker, who gets worse as the movie goes, apparently....

 

[nedflanders]

He can have an origin and still be a guy in makeup. We'll probably just get to see him pre Falcone murder. Maybe see how he gets scarred?

I like it. I'm sure it won't explain anything but it will take care of wasting the first act on a set up.

 

[rory_bat]

Yeah, can you scan in the article or something, please?

I thought Nolan and co. said there would be no origin thing. They would just jump right into the Joker.

 

[Figs]

He always said refering to the jokers origin that "he just is".

Funny thing is..............that's just his guess. All this time has there ever been breaking news of a leaked script? Not that I've heard at least.

If you think about it, a day or two ago those plot spoilers that were posted stated.

Spoiler

That in the bank scene Joker is disguised so his men don't know it's him, so they still think he's missing.

Now of course they could be way wrong and just making it up. If there not though, his men think he's missing since when? We would need somekind of opening scene where he goes missing from them in the first place wouldn't we?

 

[COMPO]

what if through the film he wears make-up until the end were there's a showdown in the factory and he falls into the vat and everyone thinks he's dead. Untyil the very end when Harvey is walking out of court after winning the Maroni case. He walks over to him disguised and throws acid in his face and runs off.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The way I see it, if Batman is the one to scare him during his little robbery, that could be what they meant.

 

[TromaFreak64]

the article gives NO details at all does it??? I mean can someone please elaborate?

 

[Juggernaut33]

what if through the film he wears make-up until the end were there's a showdown in the factory and he falls into the vat and everyone thinks he's dead. Until the very end when Harvey is walking out of court after winning the Maroni case. He walks over to him disguised and throws acid in his face and runs off.

No. Just no. Just accept the Joker will never have a white skin.

 

[hyperhulka]

i think we're going to see the Killing Joke origin - with his girlfriend & something making him insane after that girlfriend stuff

 

[Mr. Socko]

I didn't think there would be an origin at all.

 

[The Mighty Wind]

Nolan doesn't use opening credits in his Batman movies so if they described it as a pre-credt sequence they're probably getting bad information or pulling crap out of their ass.

 

[Darknightnomis]

I didn't think there would be an origin at all.

Agreed. And personally I DON'T want an origin of the joker in the movie.

Anytime on him then is needed as the movie's antagonist will take away devolping Bruce Wayne/Batman in the movie.

 

[Luchastyle]

Nolan doesn't use opening credits in his Batman movies so if they described it as a pre-credt sequence they're probably getting bad information or pulling crap out of their ass.

it's not like he's done 80 batman movies. he didn't use opening titles (common misconception, credits are credits, titles are titles. opening titles and closing credits. there are no opening credits.) in the first one, but he could, in theory, use them in TDK. i'm not saying he will. but it's possible.

it could just be something like, show some scene, then have the title card. then the first act actually kicks into gear. that's totally possible. a "cold-opener" as they are called.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Having read the Empire article, I think it was just speculation. As in, we have heard that the bank robbery sequence is The Joker's "introduction", possibly a pre-credits sequence. And Empire took this as meaning "pre-credits origin".

I could actually see the bank robbery sequence, with The Joker's grand unmasking, being an awesome opening scene.

Just imagine, The Joker points the gun at the bank manager. Cut to a POV shot of the Bank Manager, with the gun pointed at him. The Joker grins, pulls the trigger. A bang, the screen turns white:

THE DARK KNIGHT

 

[Luchastyle]

Having read the Empire article, I think it was just speculation. As in, we have heard that the bank robbery sequence is The Joker's "introduction", possibly a pre-credits sequence. And Empire took this as meaning "pre-credits origin".

I could actually see the bank robbery sequence, with The Joker's grand unmasking, being an awesome opening scene.

Just imagine, The Joker points the gun at the bank manager. Cut to a POV shot of the Bank Manager, with the gun pointed at him. The Joker grins, pulls the trigger. A bang, the screen turns white:

THE DARK KNIGHT

since that has long been speculated, i think that was what they were implying as well. for some reason news outlets have always referred to that scene as a prologue or opening scene, do they know something we don't? or do they not understand the concept of shooting out of sequence? hard to say.

 

[gwynplaine]

Having read the Empire article, I think it was just speculation. As in, we have heard that the bank robbery sequence is The Joker's "introduction", possibly a pre-credits sequence. And Empire took this as meaning "pre-credits origin".

I could actually see the bank robbery sequence, with The Joker's grand unmasking, being an awesome opening scene.

Just imagine, The Joker points the gun at the bank manager. Cut to a POV shot of the Bank Manager, with the gun pointed at him. The Joker grins, pulls the trigger. A bang, the screen turns white:

THE DARK KNIGHT

That would totally rock ! But having seen that Joker origin video on another thread, it made me think of how tragic it would also be to see Heath pre-transformation.
And I also remember that I read somewhere that the production only sent Heath The Killing Joke, at the beginning of his preparation, which, as most know, features a wonderful and sad Joker origin, in the grand tradition of the Phantom of the Opera.
Anyway, both would work great for me (I really like that opening you described).
There's also a tendency in most Hollywood blockbusters to show the "academy award nominated actor that you paid a fortune" 's face at least once in the course of the film, so we'll see.
Amidst all the spoilers and speculations out there, I still think we don't know much and maybe it's better that way.

 

[Watson]

Someone in the spoiler thread spec'd that the Joker opening prologue may be the crime that Gordon tells Bats about at the end of BB

Spoiler

the double homicide would be the deaths of the bank manager and Joker's Henchman, the Robbery would be the bank hold up

Then in a sense it would be a "Joker background" because it would show his first crime that brought the Joker notoriety. After that scene cut to the logo, and then flash forward a few months to the scene in the parking lot with scarecrow.