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Putting the Pieces Together: Harry Osborn's Role in Spider-Man 3

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RobinHood

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New Hype! member here, though I have been lurking for quite some time. I've been keeping up with all the Spidey 3 news, but I may have missed some things, so if there is anything confirmed that contradicts my theory, let me know.

After seeing Spider-Man 2, the thing that interested me most was how the Goblin Legacy was going to play out in the 3rd film. The prevailing theory right now seems to indicate that Harry will indeed take up his father's mantle. He has a showdown with Pete in an alley, is injured and goes into a coma, which causes him to forget much of what has transpired. At the end of the film, while Spidey dukes it out with Sandman and Venom at a construction site, MJ convinces Harry to don the Goblin gear and help Peter. He does so, and dies heroically. A perfectly satisfying conclusion to the Osborn storyline that fits the characterization and plot development of the first two films, it seems.

However, I think things may very well play out quite differently. We've heard repeatedly that Peter is going to have to battle personal demons revolving around the symbiote in this film, and I think Raimi may be planning to use Harry's death to add to this. We've recently seen pictures of a funeral, and both Peter and Captain Stacy are there. This is almost certainly Harry's funeral, but I think Captain Stacy's presence may be an important clue. The way I see it, Captain Stacy is a goner in this film. He could very well die at the very end of the film, after Harry's heroic death, but this does not make much sense, as his death plays a major role in the character development of Gwen. I think it is far more likely that he dies somewhere between one-third and two-thirds of the way through the film, which places Harry's funeral at roughly the halfway mark.

Here is how I think it will go down. Peter has a confrontation with Harry outside the theater after seeing MJ's new play (like those photos that show Harry getting into a car with a sour look on his face while Pete looks on in the background). This confrontation leads to a battle between Spidey and the new Goblin in the alleyway. Peter is going all out, knowing that Harry will kill him, but makes a grevious miscalculation which causes Peter to inadvertently kill Harry. You see, I think Harry does not take the Goblin formula. After finding his dad's Goblin stash at the end of the second film, Harry does his homework, and discovers that the Goblin formula lead to his father's insanity. Harry's characterization so far shows him as a man who respects his father, but does not want to become him. For this reason, and also due to a healthy dose of pride and vanity, Harry decides not to take the Goblin formula, thinking he can take out Peter with the glider and pumpkin bombs alone. During the alley confrontation, Peter thinks he is fighting a Harry who is high on Goblin juice, and therefore doesn't hold back. He is wrong, and kills his best friend.

Peter is understandably devastated by what has happened, and of course he attends the funeral, along with the new police Captain who has befriended Spidey and helped at the scene of the alley fight after the battle was over. Meanwhile, a man named Flint Marko is involved in a horrible accident at a beach, and he turns to a life of crime. Shortly after the funeral, Spidey helps people when a meteorite smashes into the earth just outside the city, and later discovers that something has followed him home...which, combined with Harry's tragic death, leads Peter down a dark road that may change his life forever.

Well, what do you think? Plausible, or laughable? Perhaps the clues we have so far have lead you to a different conclusion? Use this thread to discuss Harry's role in the film.
 
Plausible...I can see all of that happening, but it's probably more unlikely than likely.

And where the heck are these funeral pics?! I haven't seen them!
 
Iron Man said:
And where the heck are these funeral pics?! I haven't seen them!

The Photo thread is a decent place to start. ;)
 
This theory isn't completely insane, but killing Harry off in the beginning is kinda weak and belittles his role.
 
Aww, that would be so sad!

Damn, I don't want Harry to die.

I'm with you on the GG juice though - I honestly can't see Harry going that route

I'm actually finding it difficult to believe Harry would even go the route of the GG in any form to be honest. I mean, he let Peter live back when he didn't even know his pop had been a crazed maniac - so when he found his dad's stash of GG goodies at the end of SM2 I'd have thought he'd be even less inclined to go against Spidey...who knows though...
 
cmill216 said:
This theory isn't completely insane, but killing Harry off in the beginning is kinda weak and belittles his role.
That kind of reminds me of another Marvel hero that got trashed REAL quick in his third film.....
 
Farren said:
Aww, that would be so sad!

Damn, I don't want Harry to die.

I'm with you on the GG juice though - I honestly can't see Harry going that route

I'm actually finding it difficult to believe Harry would even go the route of the GG in any form to be honest. I mean, he let Peter live back when he didn't even know his pop had been a crazed maniac - so when he found his dad's stash of GG goodies at the end of SM2 I'd have thought he'd be even less inclined to go against Spidey...who knows though...

When I left Spider-man 2, I was kinda undecided where Harry stands.

He finds his dad's stash and is kinda surprised I would say. Also, he wears a green bowtie on his tux. Nothing there shows me if he will be bad or good or whatever so I can't get a good idea on it.
 
Iron Man said:
That kind of reminds me of another Marvel hero that got trashed REAL quick in his third film.....
Hmmm, who could that have been....;)
 
Iron Man said:
That kind of reminds me of another Marvel hero that got trashed REAL quick in his third film.....


are you talking about cyclops 4m xmen
 
We've recently seen pictures of a funeral, and both Peter and Captain Stacy are there.


Where are these pictures? Ive yet to see them.:confused:
 
jimmy rhoads said:
It's not Sandman, I'll tell ya that much.
No, not Sandman...Now I dont even remember who that was now...dang, I remember a lot of people being pissed about it though...looks like Harry, Aunt May, or MJ will join this fallen hero...

Oh I remeber! He had a cool set of sunglasses...
 
interesting theory. but i still believe harry will die at the end of the film as a hero, based on the numerous plot leaks, the funeral scene, and the Q&A.
 
NewYorkSpider said:
Could it be Gwens?

No, considering Sony told the news sources that posted the story about Bryce's casting that Gwen would survive.
 
cmill216 said:
No, considering Sony told the news sources that posted the story about Bryce's casting that Gwen would survive.

Yeah, read that too. But whose could it be?
 
someones gonna die in SM3, and its NOT May Parker


but who knows, maybe sam just might kill off everyone
 
Plausible, yes. But I honestly believe if Harry dies (which I think is pretty damn probable), then it won't be till the end. Having said that, I also believe that Captain Stacy will indeed live.

Harry's death of course will corellate perfectly with what Pete has been saying since the beginning: "No matter what I do, no matter how hard I try, the ones I love will always be the ones who pay…" Not to mention he becomes alienated from MJ, putting a strain on their relationship.

Really rounds out the story, don't you think? No matter what he does (such as trying to gain power from the symbiote) whatever the case may be, he just can't change who he is.
 
This theory isn't completely insane, but killing Harry off in the beginning is kinda weak and belittles his role.

Well, it wouldn't have to happen at the very start of the film. We could have a scene or two with a conflicted Harry, and then the altercation outside the theater causes him to go over the edge, and put on the goblin gear he brought with him "just in case." I personally believe that the character development of the first two films would carry enough weight if Harry does make an early exit in the third film.

Having said that, I also believe that Captain Stacy will indeed live.

I guess my theory really all hinges on this. Based on the evidence so far, it seems that Harry having a heroic death at the end of the film is most likely. However, the funeral depicted in those pictures is almost certainly Harry's. Therefore, if we can figure out whether or not Captain Stacy lives, then we can determine a rough estimate of when Harry's funeral takes place, as it seems to me terribly unlikely that they would kill off Captain Stacy in the last 1/5th or so of the film.
 

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