Quentin Tarantino's Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

[DarthSkywalker]

A stunt gone wrong is when you take precautions, hire professionals who know what they are signing up for and then mistakes or accidents happen. Stunts are dangerous but precautions can be taken.

That is not what happened in this case.
What is described here is an an actress, not a stunt professional, being told told that a sloppily modified 50 year old car is likely unsafe. She refused to do it, was pressured into it by her director and friend, lied to about the nature of the road. She was not given any kind of safety gear, harness etc.

It led to an easily predictable and openly predicted accident that left the actress , reportedly, with permanent injuries. Then the director refused to allow the actress to see the footage without releasing him from his responsibility.

Sure this doesn't involve sexual assualt but since when is that the only way someone can be an awful person?

This is awful behavior that is not separable from his work. This is awful behavior AT work.

What this involves is straight up a man being criminally negligent and abusive as a person and as a director. This is a director failing to do his job. This is the same kind of behavior that led to death of Sarah Jones on the set of Midnight Rider after no one bothered to coordinate with the local railroad when they were filming on the tracks.

Yes.

 

[Black Narcissus]

A stunt gone wrong is when you take precautions, hire professionals who know what they are signing up for and then mistakes or accidents happen. Stunts are dangerous but precautions can be taken.

That is not what happened in this case.
What is described here is an an actress, not a stunt professional, being told told that a sloppily modified 50 year old car is likely unsafe. She refused to do it, was pressured into it by her director and friend, lied to about the nature of the road. She was not given any kind of safety gear, harness etc.

It led to an easily predictable and openly predicted accident that left the actress , reportedly, with permanent injuries. Then the director refused to allow the actress to see the footage without releasing him from his responsibility.

Sure this doesn't involve sexual assualt but since when is that the only way someone can be an awful person?

This is awful behavior that is not separable from his work. This is awful behavior AT work.

What this involves is straight up a man being criminally negligent and abusive as a person and as a director. This is a director failing to do his job. This is the same kind of behavior that led to death of Sarah Jones on the set of Midnight Rider after no one bothered to coordinate with the local railroad when they were filming on the tracks.

I agree with all of this, but still feel like he should not get his film cancelled.

Shrugs.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I agree with all of this, but still feel like he should not get his film cancelled.

Shrugs.

What do you think should happen? Irresponsible handling of stunts add an unnecessary danger to an already dangerous aspect of filmmaking, this type of behavior has gotten cast and crew members killed on other films, and in this cast nearly killed Thurman and left her with permanent injuries, there should be consequences to this behavior.

 

[TheVileOne]

To me a stunt gone wrong is Tom Cruise jacking his ankle while filming Mission Impossible. This is so much worse.

Also I'm not saying his films should get cancelled, but you can't deny what Tarantino did here is pretty messed up.

 

[Black Narcissus]

What do you think should happen?

Perhaps a public apology, since he already apologized personally to Uma years ago. She even dated him after and recently went to his engagement party, I don't know.

He has done 4 other films since Kill Bill and most of those have gone fine when it comes to stunts. What is so alarming about me still wanting to see his new film?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Perhaps a public apology, since he already apologized personally to Uma years ago. She even dated him after and recently went to his engagement party, I don't know.

He has done 4 other films since Kill Bill and most of those have gone fine when it comes to stunts. What is so alarming about me still wanting to see his new film?

Does this seem like she actually forgave him?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/03/opinion/sunday/this-is-why-uma-thurman-is-angry.html

Harvey assaulted me but that didn’t kill me,” she says. “What really got me about the crash was that it was a cheap shot. I had been through so many rings of fire by that point. I had really always felt a connection to the greater good in my work with Quentin and most of what I allowed to happen to me and what I participated in was kind of like a horrible mud wrestle with a very angry brother. But at least I had some say, you know?” She says she didn’t feel disempowered by any of it. Until the crash.

“Personally, it has taken me 47 years to stop calling people who are mean to you ‘in love’ with you. It took a long time because I think that as little girls we are conditioned to believe that cruelty and love somehow have a connection and that is like the sort of era that we need to evolve out of.”

Also making 4 films since is what kind of barometer for something he tried to hide for years to avoid the repercussions?

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Perhaps a public apology, since he already apologized personally to Uma years ago. She even dated him after and recently went to his engagement party, I don't know.

He has done 4 other films since Kill Bill and most of those have gone fine when it comes to stunts. What is so alarming about me still wanting to see his new film?

Nothing alarming about that imo, was just curious what you thought should happen since there was a whole lot of people giving you s*** but no one asking what you thought should happen instead.

 

[Black Narcissus]

@Darth

You gotta ask her why she dated him afterwards then, man. I don't know.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

@Darth

You gotta ask her why she dated him afterwards then, man. I don't know.

I feel like the last part covers that pretty clearly. She was conditioned as a young girl to believe that men who are mean to her actually love her. She now realizes that is BS.

 

[#root]

Tarantino sounds like a sadist tbh. Choking his stars, spitting on them, and this stunt incident. Not to mention his frankly creepy foot fetish that is always on display in his films.

 

[Black Narcissus]

He likes nice feet. lol

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There is a difference between liking nice feet, and using your position as a director to live out your fetishes. And in this current environment, knowing what we now know about Tarantino, his friend Harvey, and that Tarantino himself admitted to knowing about it, yeah...

Basically, something people might have overlooked a while ago, ain't going to be looked at well now. Tarantino and his treatment of women both on and off screen is going to get more attention. Especially after what Thurman just brought up.

 

[Black Narcissus]

My joke was about his foot fetish on screen.

 

[TheVileOne]

Perhaps a public apology, since he already apologized personally to Uma years ago. She even dated him after and recently went to his engagement party, I don't know.

He has done 4 other films since Kill Bill and most of those have gone fine when it comes to stunts. What is so alarming about me still wanting to see his new film?

How do you know he apologized to her. There's no evidence he did. Also, she said he only atoned to her after finally giving her footage of the accident 15 years after the fact! Where's the proof he ever apologized. She claims he got angry after the accident.

“The steering wheel was at my belly and my legs were jammed under me,” she says. “I felt this searing pain and thought, ‘Oh my God, I’m never going to walk again,’” she says. “When I came back from the hospital in a neck brace with my knees damaged and a large massive egg on my head and a concussion, I wanted to see the car and I was very upset. Quentin and I had an enormous fight, and I accused him of trying to kill me. And he was very angry at that, I guess understandably, because he didn’t feel he had tried to kill me.”

Admit it Black Narcissus. You are biased for Tarantino and you don't want to admit any wrongdoing for him here.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Sure thing, son. Despite me saying over and over what he did was wrong.

 

[Sithborg]

We might not know just how reckless he has been on his other movies though. The actors may have done stunts that they thought were fine. Only the stunt coordinators on his movies could really tell how much of a pattern it is with him.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Stupid decision on Tarantino's part to make Turman drive that car, I'm not gonna excuse him for that. Everyone involved are extremely lucky nobody died that day. That being said, I'm not gonna boycott his movies or campaign against the director.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Damn... Whatever any of us think should or shouldn't happen to Tarantino's career after this, we all know something WILL happen. Miller was sent to prison after Midnight Rider, Tarantino will not get out unscathed from this, despite that noone died in his case.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Damn... Whatever any of us think should or shouldn't happen to Tarantino's career after this, we all know something WILL happen. Miller was sent to prison after Midnight Rider, Tarantino will not get out unscathed from this, despite that noone died in his case.

Landis killed three ppl on his set, I don't remember him going to prison. He should be in prison tho.

 

[Sithborg]

The most likely fallout is his insurance on his movies are going to skyrocket.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I doubt anything serious will happen to Tarantino's career.

 

[terry78]

It's not like it's something that recently happened. Everyone on that set knew what took place. They just didn't discuss it probably.

 

[Hunter Rider]

So Uma Thurman is alleging that Tarintino forced her to do a car stunt for Kill Bill that left her permanently damaged.
There are other things. I wonder if this will affect this at all https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/...ry.html?referer=https://t.co/3KI4YYryAt?amp=1

I can't click on the link right now, what was the car stunt? I'm drawing a blank, was it something involving a van?

And that is on top of him strangling Diane Kruger in that scene in IB.

Ugh, that's gross, not all that surprising though as he's always came off as creepy, non consensual spitting and choking is sexual assault.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I read again the incident on that Landis set. Sweet lord. So tragic. How the hell did he not end up in jail? Jennifer Jason Leigh's dad was one of the victims.

 

[DACrowe]

So Uma Thurman is alleging that Tarintino forced her to do a car stunt for Kill Bill that left her permanently damaged.
There are other things. I wonder if this will affect this at all https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/...ry.html?referer=https://t.co/3KI4YYryAt?amp=1

What repellent behavior. That doesn't strike me as misogynistic behavior so much as entitled "I'm a director so do it!" behavior, regarding the stunt. What is more damning along gender lines is he wanted to be the one to spit on her.

I don't think it will ruin his career, nor do I think it should. But it does confirm Tarantino has a monstrous ego that will step on people if it gets in the way of his vision. Which is not exactly a shock.