Questions about missing plot point, ect Thread.

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  1. Golgo-13 The Return of the O.G

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    I decided to make a thread dedicated to missing plot points that weren't addressed:

    So:

    I wonder if Bruce ever confided in Lucius about the Harvey Dent cover up? I'm sure Lucius would have wanted to know the truth, seeing as how he was helping Batman. I would love to have seen that convo.

    Also:

    Mr.E from TDK - can't think of his name. He was the guy that was going to blackmail Lucius and Bruce for millions after he discovered Bruce was Batman in TDK, then Bruce saved him. Seeing as how everyone believed that Batman had killed Dent, why didn't he come forward and reveal Batman's identity then?

    ...your thoughts.
     
  2. Golgo-13 The Return of the O.G

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    Plot points. :up:
     
  3. Victarion Iron Captain

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    I might have taken a restroom break and missed something, but what was the lead up to the scene where Catwoman was in the subway tunnel? The one where she delivers the "Don't be shy line." before leading Batman to Bane?
     
  4. AnneFan Hathaway #1

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    Bruce and Tatelia in Wayne Manor getting funky, and then Bruce walking up to the batsuit getting ready to head out.
     
  5. Victarion Iron Captain

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    Thank you. What was Catwoman's motive for leaving Batman with Bane? Was it something Dagget ordered? (Yes, yes, I need to see this again.:))
     
  6. 8wid Registered

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    Is Selina Kyle bisexual? I know she has a thing for Bruce, but she also the blonde woman she lived with implied she not heterosexual. Any thoughts on this?
     
  7. robthorn24 Gotham Times Subscriber

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    Bruce Wayne showed up at Selina Kyle's apartment and told her that "his powerful friend" Batman wanted her to meet and take him to Bane later that night. It's the scene where Jen doesn't want Bruce to enter the apartment, but Selina tells her that Bruce isn't a mark.

    EDIT: That's not the scene directly before the subway tunnels, but it's the scene that sets it up.
     
  8. AnneFan Hathaway #1

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    She wanted to get Bane and his men off her back. And indeed, seeing the movie again helps a lot. I like it much more now.

    I actually don't feel that sorry for Batman about that. He wanted to be led to Bane, and he was. Bruce commented to Alfred that he'd just fight harder and would win.
     
  9. Victarion Iron Captain

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    I stand by Alfred's suspicions about Bruce's deathwish. Thanks again guys/girls. I suppose Bane's line about being born in the darkness indicates that he was put in that prison at an early age, as in the comics. It was similar to Joker's story about his scars, except a bit harder to catch. Go to the RR and you'll miss it kind of stuff.
     
  10. Golgo-13 The Return of the O.G

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    The 5 dead, 2 of them cops debate was never resolved as i hoped in TDKR. That's why i had an issue with the 8 year time between films. In BB we never saw what happened to cops like Flass in TDK, and that was less than a year between the events of BB and TDK, so i knew we would probably never get any closure on the loose ends of TDK in TDKR...ala what happened to Ramirez, what happened to Joker, etc...
     
  11. GENERAL RAAM582 A Rebellion Built on Hope

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    Flass and those guys were probably arrested, Joker might have been moved to a larger asylum or prison, Ramirez probably moved the Hell out of Gotham, I just assume the 5 people dead thing were people killed off screen.
     
  12. Batmatic Registered

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    Co-sign! I got friends who afterwards who were like, "damn, Catwoman was wrong for that." But Batman asked for it. What did he expect? And I loved how Alfred foreshadowed his eventual downfall. I really would have loved it if they really fleshed out Bruce's arrogance. Still, those sets of scenes were great.

    And I don't think that the film has too many loopholes, but the script was just not as tight as TDK and BB. They rush too many things and my main complaint is that certain relationships and characters are not properly fleshed out. The story in TDKR deserved to have a longer treatment, and if not, split into two films.
     
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    Agreed on everything. Before leading Batman to Bane, Selina even asks him how she can earn his trust, and his reply is that he wants her to lead him to Bane. Then she mutters something like, "Well... you asked." Shows some hesitation on her part.
     
  14. Dr. Manhatten Registered

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    I was also wondering if they would address the former Wayne employee who found out Bruce was Batman and if that would play a piece in it. Guess not.

    I was also wondering how Blake found out Bruce was Batman though. He seems to know within the first scene but never got a satisfactory answer of how.
     
  15. obin_gam Registered

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    From the novel:

    Glad I'm not the only one who picked up on this. The scene where the blond chick is pressed up behind Selina while she looks out the window certainly felt "more than just friend"-ishly.
     
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  16. chintai80 oh hi.

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    if juno temple was playing holly robinson, then maybe:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holly_Robinson_(comics)

    but i saw it more an older sister/younger sister relationship between the two - straight out of miller's year one comic.

    i'm presuming the "5 dead, 2 cops" was hospital cop, wuertz, maroni and his driver, and dent himself. i think ramirez got the hell out of dodge after dent spared her. the cops and the mob would be after her, once she got outed as a mob informant.
     
  17. HopeOfTheFuture Registered

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    Well, I first thought she sabotages the mission by marking the wrong truck. By then again, she could have been checked so it's more likely she marked the right truck, then gave the info to Bane or his goons about the marking of the truck and they changed the marking to another truck (or loaded the bomb into another truck). That way she didn't jeopardized her cover. Also she set up the water to fill the area in case Fox of Wayne tried to stabilize the nuclear core.

    This is more in line with the way her undercover duty works. She secretly informed Bane about the location of the nuclear fusion bomb thing, about the chair meetings, she activated the clean energy bomb thing andplayed Fox into doing the same thing, she most likely informed Bane about the undercover special forces(from outside Gotham) that Bane later hanged for the world to see.
     
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  18. TDKR2012 A FIRE WILL RISE

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    A few things i was confused about, but mostly the 2nd

    1) Stock Exchange motorbike chase, begins in daylight, cuts to night time when Batman returns (although it COULD be that the chase really does take that long)

    2) When Batman returns and is chased by the police, he turns the Batpod into an alleyway, and out emerges The Bat, ... What happened to the Batpod/Was Batman really in The Bat (or was it on autopilot?)
     
  19. The Guard Registered

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    Not sure. Is that the same alley he stows the Batpod in that secret wall garage, where he gives it to Selina?
     
  20. mrvlknight21 Pullups for breakfast!!

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    Yes, these were my thoughts as well.

    Me too...I think they should have at least TRIED to explain this.
     
  21. Golgo-13 The Return of the O.G

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    That's a pretty good point. However,

    1) i'm sure the cops went down the alley after he flew off to see if he dropped any evidence that would help track him, and

    2)After that chase he shows up on Dagget's rooftop and is seen fighting with Selina on the rooftop and escaped in 'The Bat', so i assume the batpod can somehow merge or fit into 'The Bat'.
     
  22. Vader815 Registered

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    Not to keep linking people to this article, but,

    "Blake Intuits That Bruce Wayne is Batman

    The film goes to great lengths to portray John Blake as a skilled and intuitive detective — beginning with his monologue to Bruce Wayne saying the orphans made up pretend stories about him. This insinuates the stories involved the “poster boy orphan” being their hero Batman. Their love of Batman is reinforced by the young orphan boy seemingly habitually sketching bat symbols as he and Blake hope for Batman’s return. It’s further reinforced by Blake labeling these stories as “legends” about Bruce, but because of Blake’s detective skills and similar emotional path, he made a more literal connection. Throughout the remainder of the film, Blake shows similar intuitive skills; From his investigation of the sewer system (which — among other things — impressed Gordon enough to instantly promote him to detective), to investigating the intricate layout of explosive laced concrete poured all over the city (Gordon mentions Blake knows patterns), to instantly deducing the mercenaries’ attempt to murder Gordon. However, the /Film guys miss the deeper meaning of the initial scene, acting as if all was designed merely as an early-film twist with surface level (arbitrary) plot problems. John Blake and Bruce Wayne are essentially the same person with mirrored experiences, principles (Blake’s disgust at his realization he killed two men), and this parallel pushes Bruce to return to the cape and cowl."

    Read more: http://www.nolanfans.com/2012/07/26...us-about-the-dark-knight-rises/#ixzz21rWOkRJT

    -Vader
     
  23. thedarks0ldier Registered

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    Bruce notices the scar on Miranda's back but doesn't recognize it as a League of Shadow's branding.

    Luckily for the League of Shadows (and the whole movie), Bruce never received an official LOS Seal of Approval.
     
  24. Golgo-13 The Return of the O.G

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    You know i went back and watched BB to see what the LOS brand actually looks like after i noticed that in TDKR, and you don't get a clear shot of the actual LOS symbol.The only shot of it is when Ra's (decoy Ra's) is holding the branding iron in his hand, but it's glowing red hot so you can't make it out....

    ..desides would Mirander be that careless to let Bruce see it? She has no idea if he knows the symbol or not. Though i'm sure he noticed it on the bodies of the other league members during his training.
     
  25. Golgo-13 The Return of the O.G

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    Do you guys think that Bruce included Lucius in the Harvey Dent cover up? Seeing as how morally sound Lucius is (he was ready to resign when Bruce showed him to sonar/ cell phone device in TDK), and hearing about Batman killing those people on the news, that would put him in the position of aiding and abedding a criminal.

    I'm quite sure he asked about it. I would have loved to have seen how that convo would have went.
     

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