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The Dark Knight Rises Questions about missing plot point, ect Thread.

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I decided to make a thread dedicated to missing plot points that weren't addressed:

So:

I wonder if Bruce ever confided in Lucius about the Harvey Dent cover up? I'm sure Lucius would have wanted to know the truth, seeing as how he was helping Batman. I would love to have seen that convo.

Also:

Mr.E from TDK - can't think of his name. He was the guy that was going to blackmail Lucius and Bruce for millions after he discovered Bruce was Batman in TDK, then Bruce saved him. Seeing as how everyone believed that Batman had killed Dent, why didn't he come forward and reveal Batman's identity then?

...your thoughts.
 
Nice one!

Also

- the scene with the fireplace closely resembles the scene with the fire on the frozen lake in BB. Miranda talks about her father, Ras talks about his wife and child

- Bruce keeps saying it's important that Batman "could be anyone" Bane says that the trigger man to destroy Gotham could be any citizen of Gotham

- Batman's mask covers all except the mouth. Bane's mask only covers his mouth

- Selina asks Bruce who are you pretending to be. Bruce says "Bruce Wayne eccentric billionaire

- Blake throws away his gun in disgust after he shoots the thug at the cement factory

- Bane finds Gordon's speech after he orders the thugs who captured him to search Gordon's body the night of the party

- Blake knows where to look for Gordon at the runoff the of sewers because that's where the body of the orphan was earlier in the movie

- the scene where Selina comes in blasting at Bane to save Bruce is reminiscent of female Robin coming in blasting to save Bruce from the Mutant Leader in TDKR

- the fight scene where Bane breaks Batman in front of his minions is reminiscent of both the Mutant Leader breaking Batman in front of his minions in TDKR and the image of Bane from Knightfall

- Bane snapping the handcuffs in that scene is reminiscent of the Mutant Leader snapping his handcuffs while in custody

- Bane snapping Daggets neck is reminiscent of the Mutant Leader in TDKR snapping the neck of the mayor

- Bruce wants to be a symbol for the citizens of Gotham to RISE in BB. in DKR Bane mocks that by calling for the citizens of Gotham to RISE against the system's injustice (effectively instituted by Batman and Gordon)

- it's hinted that Miranda is Talia:
- she sabotages the mission to mark the radioactive trailer by telling Gordon to mark the wrong truck
- the prison doctor tells of patching up Bane after the attack on the child and her mother. but the child who escapes has no wounds
- both the doctor and his assistant in the prison never confirms when Bruce asks them repeatedly if Bane is the child (they stop telling the story or change the subject

- the imagery of Bruce rising from the pit is same as the image of Thomas Wayne rescuing Bruce from where he has fallen at the beginning of BB

- Batman begins when Ras tries to make Bruce his successor. Batman ends when Bruce is able to find his own successor

- Blake refuses to wear "masks" hinting that he will be a new type of hero for Gotham... the one that Gotham needs right now after the death of Batman

- Blake operating in full daylight, unlike Batman hinting that he will be a new type of hero for Gotham... the one that Gotham needs right now after the death of Batman

- Blake's detective work and deductive skills evoke Batman's detective activities in the comics

- the eulogy Gordon reads is from the Tale of 2 Cities

- when showing him the Bat for the first time Fox tells Bruce "you will fix the autopilot"

- Selina Kyle probably came back because like with Blake, the National Guard didnt know about the bomb and probably blew the tunnel she was going to use to escape

- Bruce goes to the exact same cafe that Alfred told him about on the day of Alfred's vacation to see him

- when the special forces guys come to meet Gordon he tells them he has "dozens" of men but after Bane hangs them, there's less than 10 who show up on D Day

- the old guy among "Gordon's men" at the end of the movie is the old timer cop who is a fan of Batman and tells the rookie "boy you are in for a show tonight" and "put that gun away before you hurt yourself"

- like the autopilot modes on the Batmobile in TDK (loiter, intimidate) which can operate independently, the Bat's autopilot evidently had different modes which allowed batman to bail out over the ocean and sent it on fly mode into the ocean. it may in fact have been pre programed for all such contingencies by Batman beforehand

- because it's "clean energy" the residual fallout will have no ill effects on Gotham

- in BB Fox tells Bruce that his father "nearly bankrupted" Wayne Enterprises trying to save the poor, in DKR Bruce nearly bankrupts Wayne Enterprises trying to find clean energy "to save the world"

- the immediate shot of Bruce after he escapes the prison is approaching a large town with many building and telephone poles from which he could contact anywhere in the world

- even in Middle East prison, the tortured doctor knows who Bruce is "he asks how much you will pay us to let you die"

- it's hinted that Bruce has secret accounts independent of Wayne Enterprises (much like Fox keeps the Applied Sciences off the books) as contingencies to use as Batman

- in BB Nolan makes it clear the Bruce has funds other than Wayne stock... he mentions to Earle about "various charitable organizations, trusts and so on" that Bruce used to buy majority share in Wayne Enterprises

- the pearl necklace that Selina steals is the same necklace that Thomas Wayne showed Bruce the day of their murder as a present to Martha. it is the most precious thing in the world to Bruce because his father died when Chill spotted the necklace and pointed the gun to Martha and he put his body in front of him to shield her.

- the necklace is missing after the death of Batman. since it was kept in an "uncrackable" safe that only Batman or Catwoman could break into. it either means Batman is alive or that Selina took the pearls. and given her own sense of honor established in the movie, Nolan's Selina would have never taken the pearls

- it's 23 days between the death of the special ops forces and Bruce's return to Gotham (Bruce makes 2 attempts at climbing out of the pit, so we don't know exactly how many days it was)

- Bane quotes Bruce's training under Ras during their battle "theatricality and deception, powerful agents to the uninitiated"

- Bane first engages Bruce on a landing with little maneuverability to test him before fighting him on the ground

- Batman defeats Bane armed with the knowledge of why he wears that mask from the prison doctor, by focusing on his breathing apparatus in the final fight

- Talia probably never was intimate with Bane. because she calls him her "friend" when they part and there's no physical intimacy

- the face you see when Talia's "protector" in jail is shown is Bane actor Tom Hardy's real face

- Batman and Bane both see themselves as "protectors" (Batman for Gotham, Bane for Talia) and as Ras' "heirs"

- the events in Batman Begins probably occur shortly after Bane's expulsion from the league. it's even possible that after he found Bane lacking, Ras specifically went out to test Bruce as his heir

- Bruce never "beat" Ras or Bane technically speaking. Ras has Bruce beat until he realized that the train was going to crash in BB and he only died because he didn't have the same gear that Bruce had to escape. Although he got the better of Bane, Catwoman is the one who actually kills Bane.

- the blood transfusion during the plane crash from Pavel was to put his DNA into the other victim, so the CIA would confirm him as on the crash



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the awesome thing is how unlike other movies, these easter eggs TIE ACROSS ALL 3 MOVIES like Nolan planted them years in advance

Plot points. :up:
 
I might have taken a restroom break and missed something, but what was the lead up to the scene where Catwoman was in the subway tunnel? The one where she delivers the "Don't be shy line." before leading Batman to Bane?
 
I might have taken a restroom break and missed something, but what was the lead up to the scene where Catwoman was in the subway tunnel? The one where she delivers the "Don't be shy line." before leading Batman to Bane?
Bruce and Tatelia in Wayne Manor getting funky, and then Bruce walking up to the batsuit getting ready to head out.
 
Bruce and Tatelia in Wayne Manor getting funky, and then Bruce walking up to the batsuit getting ready to head out.

Thank you. What was Catwoman's motive for leaving Batman with Bane? Was it something Dagget ordered? (Yes, yes, I need to see this again.:))
 
Is Selina Kyle bisexual? I know she has a thing for Bruce, but she also the blonde woman she lived with implied she not heterosexual. Any thoughts on this?
 
I might have taken a restroom break and missed something, but what was the lead up to the scene where Catwoman was in the subway tunnel? The one where she delivers the "Don't be shy line." before leading Batman to Bane?

Bruce Wayne showed up at Selina Kyle's apartment and told her that "his powerful friend" Batman wanted her to meet and take him to Bane later that night. It's the scene where Jen doesn't want Bruce to enter the apartment, but Selina tells her that Bruce isn't a mark.

EDIT: That's not the scene directly before the subway tunnels, but it's the scene that sets it up.
 
Thank you. What was Catwoman's motive for leaving Batman with Bane? Was it something Dagget ordered? (Yes, yes, I need to see this again.:))
She wanted to get Bane and his men off her back. And indeed, seeing the movie again helps a lot. I like it much more now.

I actually don't feel that sorry for Batman about that. He wanted to be led to Bane, and he was. Bruce commented to Alfred that he'd just fight harder and would win.
 
I stand by Alfred's suspicions about Bruce's deathwish. Thanks again guys/girls. I suppose Bane's line about being born in the darkness indicates that he was put in that prison at an early age, as in the comics. It was similar to Joker's story about his scars, except a bit harder to catch. Go to the RR and you'll miss it kind of stuff.
 
The 5 dead, 2 of them cops debate was never resolved as i hoped in TDKR. That's why i had an issue with the 8 year time between films. In BB we never saw what happened to cops like Flass in TDK, and that was less than a year between the events of BB and TDK, so i knew we would probably never get any closure on the loose ends of TDK in TDKR...ala what happened to Ramirez, what happened to Joker, etc...
 
Flass and those guys were probably arrested, Joker might have been moved to a larger asylum or prison, Ramirez probably moved the Hell out of Gotham, I just assume the 5 people dead thing were people killed off screen.
 
She wanted to get Bane and his men off her back. And indeed, seeing the movie again helps a lot. I like it much more now.

I actually don't feel that sorry for Batman about that. He wanted to be led to Bane, and he was. Bruce commented to Alfred that he'd just fight harder and would win.
Co-sign! I got friends who afterwards who were like, "damn, Catwoman was wrong for that." But Batman asked for it. What did he expect? And I loved how Alfred foreshadowed his eventual downfall. I really would have loved it if they really fleshed out Bruce's arrogance. Still, those sets of scenes were great.

And I don't think that the film has too many loopholes, but the script was just not as tight as TDK and BB. They rush too many things and my main complaint is that certain relationships and characters are not properly fleshed out. The story in TDKR deserved to have a longer treatment, and if not, split into two films.
 
Co-sign! I got friends who afterwards who were like, "damn, Catwoman was wrong for that." But Batman asked for it. What did he expect? And I loved how Alfred foreshadowed his eventual downfall. I really would have loved it if they really fleshed out Bruce's arrogance. Still, those sets of scenes were great.

And I don't think that the film has too many loopholes, but the script was just not as tight as TDK and BB. They rush too many things and my main complaint is that certain relationships and characters are not properly fleshed out. The story in TDKR deserved to have a longer treatment, and if not, split into two films.


Agreed on everything. Before leading Batman to Bane, Selina even asks him how she can earn his trust, and his reply is that he wants her to lead him to Bane. Then she mutters something like, "Well... you asked." Shows some hesitation on her part.
 
I was also wondering if they would address the former Wayne employee who found out Bruce was Batman and if that would play a piece in it. Guess not.

I was also wondering how Blake found out Bruce was Batman though. He seems to know within the first scene but never got a satisfactory answer of how.
 
The 5 dead, 2 of them cops debate was never resolved as i hoped in TDKR. That's why i had an issue with the 8 year time between films. In BB we never saw what happened to cops like Flass in TDK, and that was less than a year between the events of BB and TDK, so i knew we would probably never get any closure on the loose ends of TDK in TDKR...ala what happened to Ramirez, what happened to Joker, etc...
From the novel:
“Now that the Dent Act had made it all but impossible for the city’s criminals to cop an insanity plea, it (Blackgate Prison) had replaced Arkham Asylum as a preferred location for imprisoning both convicted and suspected felons

The worst of the worst were sent here, except for the Joker, who, rumour had it, was locked away as Arkham’s sole remaining inmate. Or perhaps he had escaped. Nobody was really even sure. Not even Selina”

Is Selina Kyle bisexual? I know she has a thing for Bruce, but she also the blonde woman she lived with implied she not heterosexual. Any thoughts on this?
Glad I'm not the only one who picked up on this. The scene where the blond chick is pressed up behind Selina while she looks out the window certainly felt "more than just friend"-ishly.
 
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if juno temple was playing holly robinson, then maybe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holly_Robinson_(comics)

but i saw it more an older sister/younger sister relationship between the two - straight out of miller's year one comic.

i'm presuming the "5 dead, 2 cops" was hospital cop, wuertz, maroni and his driver, and dent himself. i think ramirez got the hell out of dodge after dent spared her. the cops and the mob would be after her, once she got outed as a mob informant.
 
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wootbaby[/B];23981095]- it's hinted that Miranda is Talia:
- she sabotages the mission to mark the radioactive trailer by telling Gordon to mark the wrong truck
- the prison doctor tells of patching up Bane after the attack on the child and her mother. but the child who escapes has no wounds
- both the doctor and his assistant in the prison never confirms when Bruce asks them repeatedly if Bane is the child (they stop telling the story or change the subject
Well, I first thought she sabotages the mission by marking the wrong truck. By then again, she could have been checked so it's more likely she marked the right truck, then gave the info to Bane or his goons about the marking of the truck and they changed the marking to another truck (or loaded the bomb into another truck). That way she didn't jeopardized her cover. Also she set up the water to fill the area in case Fox of Wayne tried to stabilize the nuclear core.

This is more in line with the way her undercover duty works. She secretly informed Bane about the location of the nuclear fusion bomb thing, about the chair meetings, she activated the clean energy bomb thing andplayed Fox into doing the same thing, she most likely informed Bane about the undercover special forces(from outside Gotham) that Bane later hanged for the world to see.
 
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A few things i was confused about, but mostly the 2nd

1) Stock Exchange motorbike chase, begins in daylight, cuts to night time when Batman returns (although it COULD be that the chase really does take that long)

2) When Batman returns and is chased by the police, he turns the Batpod into an alleyway, and out emerges The Bat, ... What happened to the Batpod/Was Batman really in The Bat (or was it on autopilot?)
 
Not sure. Is that the same alley he stows the Batpod in that secret wall garage, where he gives it to Selina?
 
Is Selina Kyle bisexual? I know she has a thing for Bruce, but she also the blonde woman she lived with implied she not heterosexual. Any thoughts on this?

Yes, these were my thoughts as well.

I was also wondering how Blake found out Bruce was Batman though. He seems to know within the first scene but never got a satisfactory answer of how.

Me too...I think they should have at least TRIED to explain this.
 
A few things i was confused about, but mostly the 2nd

1) Stock Exchange motorbike chase, begins in daylight, cuts to night time when Batman returns (although it COULD be that the chase really does take that long)

2) When Batman returns and is chased by the police, he turns the Batpod into an alleyway, and out emerges The Bat, ... What happened to the Batpod/Was Batman really in The Bat (or was it on autopilot?)

That's a pretty good point. However,

1) i'm sure the cops went down the alley after he flew off to see if he dropped any evidence that would help track him, and

2)After that chase he shows up on Dagget's rooftop and is seen fighting with Selina on the rooftop and escaped in 'The Bat', so i assume the batpod can somehow merge or fit into 'The Bat'.
 
Yes, these were my thoughts as well.



Me too...I think they should have at least TRIED to explain this.

Not to keep linking people to this article, but,

"Blake Intuits That Bruce Wayne is Batman

The film goes to great lengths to portray John Blake as a skilled and intuitive detective — beginning with his monologue to Bruce Wayne saying the orphans made up pretend stories about him. This insinuates the stories involved the “poster boy orphan” being their hero Batman. Their love of Batman is reinforced by the young orphan boy seemingly habitually sketching bat symbols as he and Blake hope for Batman’s return. It’s further reinforced by Blake labeling these stories as “legends” about Bruce, but because of Blake’s detective skills and similar emotional path, he made a more literal connection. Throughout the remainder of the film, Blake shows similar intuitive skills; From his investigation of the sewer system (which — among other things — impressed Gordon enough to instantly promote him to detective), to investigating the intricate layout of explosive laced concrete poured all over the city (Gordon mentions Blake knows patterns), to instantly deducing the mercenaries’ attempt to murder Gordon. However, the /Film guys miss the deeper meaning of the initial scene, acting as if all was designed merely as an early-film twist with surface level (arbitrary) plot problems. John Blake and Bruce Wayne are essentially the same person with mirrored experiences, principles (Blake’s disgust at his realization he killed two men), and this parallel pushes Bruce to return to the cape and cowl."

Read more: http://www.nolanfans.com/2012/07/26...us-about-the-dark-knight-rises/#ixzz21rWOkRJT

-Vader
 
Bruce notices the scar on Miranda's back but doesn't recognize it as a League of Shadow's branding.

Luckily for the League of Shadows (and the whole movie), Bruce never received an official LOS Seal of Approval.
 
Bruce notices the scar on Miranda's back but doesn't recognize it as a League of Shadow's branding.

Luckily for the League of Shadows (and the whole movie), Bruce never received an official LOS Seal of Approval.

You know i went back and watched BB to see what the LOS brand actually looks like after i noticed that in TDKR, and you don't get a clear shot of the actual LOS symbol.The only shot of it is when Ra's (decoy Ra's) is holding the branding iron in his hand, but it's glowing red hot so you can't make it out....

..desides would Mirander be that careless to let Bruce see it? She has no idea if he knows the symbol or not. Though i'm sure he noticed it on the bodies of the other league members during his training.
 
Do you guys think that Bruce included Lucius in the Harvey Dent cover up? Seeing as how morally sound Lucius is (he was ready to resign when Bruce showed him to sonar/ cell phone device in TDK), and hearing about Batman killing those people on the news, that would put him in the position of aiding and abedding a criminal.

I'm quite sure he asked about it. I would have loved to have seen how that convo would have went.
 

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