BvS 'R' Rated Ultimate Cut B v S : DoJ - necessary / fad or something in between ?

[Mandon Knight]

Is a WB/DC Superman / Batman intro film, introducing the larger canvas of the JL and it's entire world a required film 'prop' for a R rated film, do we need this ?

Watchmen did for purposes of length in which to deliver the story and for extreme action, but does a world in which that level of brutality really need to exist for Batman, beyond reason for curiousity.

In this case, it would appear some (or many) characters will receive their time in the sun, and it will build more for the JL films but why not simply release this at the cinema, be brave, yes I understand a 'staple' summer (or spring these days) tentpole film release cannot be an 18, even a 15 would hit the profits but if you are going to have an R rated cut, have the balls to promote it as, not hide behind a 12A 'kid friendly' option.

 

[rogbngp]

It's a very fair question. But I think I will have to wait and see what exactly is featured in the Ultimate cut that gets it the R rating.

 

[Dninx64]

This rating is more about the MPAA how views things
I highly doubt Zack intended the movie to be Rated R


http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/04/batman-v-superman-dawn-justice-r-rated-ultimate-edition

This link gives a little insight into the R-rated cut

 

[Jumpman]

Personally, I don't think it's really that big a deal. Because this was submitted in September of last year, it feels to me that this was a first cut submission to the MPAA by Snyder. The film was going to get trimmed down anyway. It just sounds like they liked this cut all the way back in September and just decided why not release it on home video at some point?

DEADPOOL making what it made almost has no barring on this particular cut.

We won't really know whether or not this cut was worth it until when it gets released. As is, I don't see the theatrical cut being a "compromised" cut of this film. And because the R rated version is being labeled the "Ultimate Edition", there's a good chance that the theatrical cut is indeed Snyder's director's cut of the picture.

We'll know soon enough.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

You know what I equate this to? Music. You buy an album of your favorite artist or musician and they may use profanity to convey their emotions or emphasize an idea in that body of work. When the album is released there are two versions. An edited version for people who prefer not to hear those profanities or expose their children to it. And then there's the parental advisory/explicit version which is the artist's complete vision.

Same idea applies to the "ultimate" or unrated cut of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.

 

[BH/HHH]

For me it's a good thing to do another edition, I mean if people don't like it they can watch the theatrical version anyway. It's not going anywhere.

 

[Mainline]

... do we need this ?

... does a world in which that level of brutality really need to exist for Batman ...

... but why not simply ... be brave ...

How ridiculous and hypocritical a line of questioning. Entertainment like this is never a necessity nor is that the standard by which we judge it and an absurd place to start the conversation.

It's also hilarious that you're challenging their bravery. They release a PG13 film and nothing else, do you think they receive any questions, criticism, or comments about "need", "balls", or "brutality"? Of course not. The very forwarding of something controversial is in and of itself a brave choice, and the framing of it as anything other puts you out of the realm of reasonable conversation.

 

[Mandon Knight]

How ridiculous and hypocritical a line of questioning. Entertainment like this is never a necessity nor is that the standard by which we judge it and an absurd place to start the conversation.

It's also hilarious that you're challenging their bravery. They release a PG13 film and nothing else, do you think they receive any questions, criticism, or comments about "need", "balls", or "brutality"? Of course not. The very forwarding of something controversial is in and of itself a brave choice, and the framing of it as anything other puts you out of the realm of reasonable conversation.

I was trying to open up the debate 'floor' as wide as possible, obviously I failed....

 

[souperman]

I was trying to open up the debate 'floor' as wide as possible, obviously I failed....

No,...just misunderstood. I get cha.

I for one welcome the r version and agree with their reasoning for the PG13 release. We are luck to get both and choose.

I don't think they were shooting for an R film, so no foul in not having the guts to promote it, but also they know the interest in this story and in an effort to please the mega fans, offer a longer, harder version....

Younger viewers seeing the Pg13 version will be able to renew their interest later on with the r version.

Our rating system is set up to evaluate not only the gore but the intensity and duration of the scenes and recommend if it is "adult" material or suitable for general audiences.

They can not, unfortunately, know if the age matches the maturity.

 

[The Shield]

All I know is the R rated version is the one I'll be buying.....







So will you btw

 

[Mandon Knight]

All I know is the R rated version I'd the one I'll be buying.....







So will you btw

being the perfectionist 'completer' I am, I would imagine I'll get both.

 

[craigaat]

Is the R rating the US version of the UK 15, and NC-17 the 18?

Anyway, I do think that an R rating is necessary to tell certain comic book stories. It doesn't have to be gratuitous or anything, but a little bit of the old ultra-violence never hurt anyone.

 

[Knight-Tale]

Its confirms that WB wants to appeal to all audiences with their movies
I'd call them very ballsy if they made BvS or Suicide Squad theatrical releases R rated but otherwise it seems to have worked out fine.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

100% Awesome! I'm buying both on opening day.

 

[DieSmiling]

IMO they were always going to release an "extended director's cut" to make more money and they're simply branding this as an R rated cut as a marketing gimmick after the success of Deadpool. I'd be surprised if there was a ton of "R-rated" content in the home release.

 

[Marvolo]

Snyder likes to do extended cuts and leans towards R material. WB gave him the opportunity to do one. This isn't the first time WB has allowed him to do an extended cut. Is it possible that Deadpools success encouraged WB to allow him to put the cut R material back into an extended R rated home video version? Possibly. This R material may have never seen the light of day without Deadpools success. Whatever the reason I'm just happy to be getting an extended cut.

 

[Marvolo]

IMO they were always going to release an "extended director's cut" to make more money and they're simply branding this as an R rated cut as a marketing gimmick after the success of Deadpool. I'd be surprised if there was a ton of "R-rated" content in the home release.

The studio isn't "simply branding" this for marketing. The MPAA rated it R. That decision is outside of the marketing department and studio's hands.

 

[rogbngp]

All I know is the R rated version is the one I'll be buying.....







So will you btw

Good point! it is definitely the blu ray that I'll buy (or stream in 4K hopefully).

 

[Batmannerism]

Yeah, I suspect that the R rated cut will feature Superman bleeding a lot more during his fight with Bats and the fight being nastier in general - as well as more profanity.

I'm okay with that.

Man, I'm sick of this "B v S" is gonna be too dark bull@#$@.

I mean, I rewatched Winter Soldier the other day and that is one dark movie
- it's about a conspiracy to commit mass murder, and even the good-guys kill plenty of people along the way. But nobody ever says "Man, Marvel makes some dark movies !"

Nick Fury, Black Widow and Falcon gun down their enemies, and if you think about it for a second Cap kills a few guys too (although less directly).

Like this poor bastard

He's pretty much dead.


I can't stand Captain America, but I have to admit that Winter Soldier is a great film (mostly).
However, it pisses me off that folks who loved that film probably slagged of MOS, and were on the old "Superman doesn't kill ! " bandwagon. It's okay for Captain America but not Superman (when he has to save the entire human race ?).

I got no problem with Cap killing his enemies when he has no other choice, and did he need to kick that guy off the boat, probably - but the double standard still bugs me.

Sorry, that dredged up some old resentment ! I shouldn't really bring it up, as that whole thing has been argued to its own death. Sorry again.


Anyway, I'm cool with an R-rated cut. Looking forward to it.

 

[matt47]

I really hope it's in 4k

 

[Boom]

It really doesn't matter to me. So the R-rated cut has more violent scenes and more blood. Considering the rating was arrived at by an organization that adheres to an outdated system, it's whatever.

 

[Wildcard]

It's such an intricate answer...on the one hand this partially falls to the MPAA & what they thought when they saw whatever it is that'll be added to the DVD release. On the other hand, considering The Dark Knight Returns was one of the influences & considering how dark that story was, I think it's necessary.

I don't believe they're trying to adhere to a new fad & follow after DP but it certainly works in their favor that it was such a monumental success & proved that Rated-R superhero fare can work.

 

[Slushy]

DC is only doing this to be cool.

 

[Guts]

IMO they were always going to release an "extended director's cut" to make more money and they're simply branding this as an R rated cut as a marketing gimmick after the success of Deadpool. I'd be surprised if there was a ton of "R-rated" content in the home release.

The director's cut got the R rating from the MPAA last year. So it's not a reaction to Deadpool.

 

[matt47]

Necessary? Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine?