Race and Cinema

[L0ngsh0t]

Ice Cube keeps it real though... Ice-T is a *****-ass sell-out so he can die

Also Ice Cube is a fantastic actor

Icetea (lol) is okay, I liked him in Law and Order

 

[Mr. Socko]

I don't think there are movies that are aimed at whites but there are movies that are aimed at blacks. And these urban dramas/comedies or whatever are usually the worst pieces of crap to hit the screen. I haven't seen the Tyler Perry movies (and will never), but clips I have seen from them haven't made me even crack a smile. Worst over the top juvenile "humor" I've ever seen. Hopefully the rest of the movie isn't like that.

What pipe have you been sucking on?

Ever heard of Larry The Cable Guy and the movies he's been the main star of?

 

[Mr. Socko]

Also Ice Cube is a fantastic actor

Icetea (lol) is okay, I liked him in Law and Order

Cube is alright. Ice T is the best on L&O!

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Cube is alright. Ice T is the best on L&O!

What I really like about Ice Cube is he is so obviously cast to be the "Ice Cube" character, and like every producer that gets him, or most want him to just be himself cause he appeals to both blacks and whites, and is a popular figure in pop culture

but he takes himself out of the role, and makes the "Ice Cube" role, slightley different everytime, nuancing it just enough so he can keep his bankable persona, but he creates a seperate character everytime

 

[RockSP]

I'd like to just say I hate movies like Barbershop where the entire movie is esentially "some black guys are, you know...black"

So was Dude, Where's My Car about "some white guys are, you know...white"?

 

[Warhammer]

Simple reason.

Most Black movies suck.
They suck.

Anyone wants to call me a racist?
Bring it on...

 

[RockSP]

How do you go from this:

To this:

First the MAN! introduces crack into the ghetto, and then this...

You act like Flav was the political one in the group. He was always a clown.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

So was Dude, Where's My Car about "some white guys are, you know...white"?

I dunno, I'd say it's more like, "some stoners are, you know...stoners."

 

[C-$]

Simple reason.

Most Black movies suck.
They suck.

Anyone wants to call me a racist?
Bring it on...

RASCIST!!!!

 

[C-$]

I don't think there are movies that are aimed at whites but there are movies that are aimed at blacks. And these urban dramas/comedies or whatever are usually the worst pieces of crap to hit the screen. I haven't seen the Tyler Perry movies (and will never), but clips I have seen from them haven't made me even crack a smile. Worst over the top juvenile "humor" I've ever seen. Hopefully the rest of the movie isn't like that.

You sound pretty ignorant talking about the Tyler Perry movies. His movies are pretty good and I have white friends who like his movies. So the movies back in the 80's like Valley Girls and movies of that ilk weren't aimed at whites? Saying that there aren't any movies aimed it whites is ridicolous. Every ethnicity has movies that are "there type" of movie.

 

[Warhammer]

RASCIST!!!!

Lol.
I'm half-black, so I can't be racist against my own kind.

 

[C-$]

Lol.
I'm half-black, so I can't be racist against my own kind.

HALF RASCIST, HALF NON RASCIST!!!

 

[Warhammer]

lol...

 

[RockSP]

Simple reason.

Most Black movies suck.
They suck.

Anyone wants to call me a racist?
Bring it on...

Most movies suck...period. What makes a movie "black" in your opinion?

Lol.
I'm half-black, so I can't be racist against my own kind.

Yeah...that's totally impossible

 

[FaT_tONle]

Damn I cant wait till February is over

You know I'd take offense to that if I was a black man

 

[primemover]

Since this will only degrade into a topic of whites and blacks since that's the main thing in racism, in 30 years when the spanish population fully integrates into American society, and there is some new immigrant class to ***** about, we'll still be talking about Black/White racism. However, I think it'll be a major step in the right direction when black actors can more freely get roles that don't involve them being black. And that goes for any racial group, when an asian actor can break in without knowing martial arts that'd be awesome.

So wait, the Spanish are immigrating to the US!?

 

[Warhammer]

Most movies suck...period. What makes a movie "black" in your opinion?

The term "black" shouldn't be used as it's incorrect (I know, I said it, too. ), but in this theme, when comparing race and cinema, black cinema is movies starring mostly/fully black casts and obviously targeting the black demographic.

Movies like 3 Strikes, Waist Deep, Kingdom Come, Soul Plane, Breakin' All the Rules, All About The Benjamins, Master P movies, and all the other ghetto movies. They mostly are sub-par or average, and often carry the "black" stereotypes. I could try to defend black cinema all day, but at the end, I'd lose.

Yeah...that's totally impossible

Yep.

...hopefully that wasn't sarcasm....

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Most movies suck...period. What makes a movie "black" in your opinion?





Yeah...that's totally impossible

This is a pretty good point

cause like Antione Fuqua directed King Arthur, does that make King Arthur a black movie?

like obviously I know you probably are referring to like Little Man, Martian Lawrence movies, and the Tyler Perry crap, but I say Black, White, suck comes in all colors, I think Adam Sandler is as unfunny as I think Martian Lawrence is, and I think Katt Williams is as funny as David Cross is. Or like I think Denzel is just as good of an actor as like Leonardo Dicaprio, or Sam Jackson and Matt Damon like color really when it counts (ether really good, or really bad) doesn't really play into it for me

 

[Honey Vibe]

I'd like to just say I hate movies like Barbershop where the entire movie is esentially "some black guys are, you know...black"

Barbershop actually had some heart to it. Black guys weren't "just black" ...it's about understanding the power of real respect.
I could understand you hating idiotic s**t like White Chicks and Soul Plane (who doesn't?), but you talk about Barbershop like you've never actually seen the movie before.

 

[KenK]

Movies like 3 Strikes, Waist Deep, Kingdom Come, Soul Plane, Breakin' All the Rules, All About The Benjamins, Master P movies, and all the other ghetto movies. They mostly are sub-par or average, and often carry the "black" stereotypes. I could try to defend black cinema all day, but at the end, I'd lose.

I won't defend 3 Strikes or Waist Deep, but I enjoyed Kingdom Come and I didn't find anything overtly stereotypical about Breakin' All The Rules. If anything, that could have easily been a film with an all white cast and nothing would have had to be changed beyond that. There was nothing that made that film stereotypically black, about the only black thing about it was the characters' skin. None of the characters live in what you might consider "the ghetto"(and I wish people would realize a ghetto can be ANY impoverished community regardless of race), Jamie Foxx and Moris Chessnut's characters working in publishing, and Gabrielle Union's character is a medical professional.

And as a black man who's gone to black barbershops the better part of twenty years, I'd say the movie Barbershop is pretty accurate in terms of how discussions go down, and all the types of people who find work there. There's some exaggeration for comedic value, i.e. Cedric's character, but even he had his moment where he had something meaningful to say.

 

[Fried Gold]

I like movies that feature the darkies, I think it so quaint when they get roles that don't involve them in the ghetto

Yeah, I think those roles send a postive message to the coloureds.

 

[C.F. Kane]

All movies market to certain demographics, there's no denying it. I don't think there's any problem with movies that attempt to appeal to one demographic and not the other; like the man said, the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

What does bother me is when race itself is used to market a film. Remember The Honeymooners starring Cedric The (Inappropriately Named) Entertainer? The entire marketing campaign for that just seemed to be, "Hey! They're black!" All they did was recast characters originally played by white people using black actors, just to appeal to a demographic. I don't think it's necessary, and I don't think of something like that as particularly healthy.

 

[Warhammer]

I won't defend 3 Strikes or Waist Deep, but I enjoyed Kingdom Come and I didn't find anything overtly stereotypical about Breakin' All The Rules. If anything, that could have easily been a film with an all white cast and nothing would have had to be changed beyond that. There was nothing that made that film stereotypically black, about the only black thing about it was the characters' skin. None of the characters live in what you might consider "the ghetto"(and I wish people would realize a ghetto can be ANY impoverished community regardless of race), Jamie Foxx and Moris Chessnut's characters working in publishing, and Gabrielle Union's character is a medical professional.

And as a black man who's gone to black barbershops the better part of twenty years, I'd say the movie Barbershop is pretty accurate in terms of how discussions go down, and all the types of people who find work there. There's some exaggeration for comedic value, i.e. Cedric's character, but even he had his moment where he had something meaningful to say.

I liked Kingdom Come, but the critics didn't, I don't think.
...and to tell you the truth, I only saw half of Breakin' All The Rules.
I would've listed the Friday movies, but I love those.

 

[LexLuthor]

I won't defend 3 Strikes or Waist Deep, but I enjoyed Kingdom Come and I didn't find anything overtly stereotypical about Breakin' All The Rules. If anything, that could have easily been a film with an all white cast and nothing would have had to be changed beyond that. There was nothing that made that film stereotypically black, about the only black thing about it was the characters' skin. None of the characters live in what you might consider "the ghetto"(and I wish people would realize a ghetto can be ANY impoverished community regardless of race), Jamie Foxx and Moris Chessnut's characters working in publishing, and Gabrielle Union's character is a medical professional.

And as a black man who's gone to black barbershops the better part of twenty years, I'd say the movie Barbershop is pretty accurate in terms of how discussions go down, and all the types of people who find work there. There's some exaggeration for comedic value, i.e. Cedric's character, but even he had his moment where he had something meaningful to say.

Thank you for that intelligent response. I agree 100%.