The Amazing Spider-Man Raimi talks of SM4

[Carlo Comicus]

http://www.cinematical.com/2009/05/19/exclusive-raimi-on-spider-man-4/

 

[The Joker]

Three movies, millions of dollars, and he feels he has not got Peter Parker right yet. While I agree with him, it's sad, especially since he claims he knows who Peter Parker really is.

This part really intrigued me:

I've learned a lot of lessons about what people didn't like and missteps that I'd made

Please let that mean MJ will not be the focal point in Peter's life again, Spidey will quip more, and the villain won't be personally connected to Peter again.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Sam Raimi reminds me of Bryan Singer... they both claim to know the title characters so well; yet, the characters are done so wrong.

 

[E.Brock]

agreed

 

[Adrian89]

Please let that mean MJ will not be the focal point in Peter's life again, Spidey will quip more, and the villain won't be personally connected to Peter again.

And if I may add 2 more: no more wimp-Parker please and get rid of Dunst ff sake!

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Cool itnerivew! My god, it sounds like Sam REALLY has big ideas to use with Peter parker for the fourth film.

 

[spidermilk]

great find, I feel good that Raimi has acknowledged mistakes in the trilogy however I'm stern... new director plz or seriously step up the ante!

 

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

Nice interview.

 

[SpeterMan3]

feel like the kid that really practiced at the piano recital, with years of comic books, and when I got to my other recitals, I sometimes made some missteps with them. There's a whole crowd there and they think that's as well as I know the piece, but I really do know it a lot better than that and I would like one more chance at that character.

I like the analogy

 

[Reikowolf]

It would seem he is leaving very little room for excuses in the next film.

I was a big fan of SM despite its flaws
SM2 IMO is one of the definitive comic book movies. It really showed people what could be done and what's more, built a foundation that allowed other franchises to move forward.
SM3 was a mixed bag which I had been very vocal about my concern regarding the addition of Venom. Raimi looked very tired on set and who wouldn't be after almost 8 years working on the franchise. Good to know he recognizes this. In his defense, it wasn't just him that made the movie, but ultimately he is the one that takes the most critique.

Overall, I feel he is a talented director who is making films for himself as well as the fans. The fact that SM3 was a blockbuster has alotted him this chance at SM4; but it has become very clear that the fans will not be as forgiving this time around. I have been a fan of Raimi's work for a while and I am excited to see DMTH, as I will be to see SM4, this article just makes me expect great things as his passion for the source material seems to be rekindled.

As another great comic book movie onces stated.
"why do we fall down?"
"So we can learn to pick ourselves up again."

 

[GoldGoblin]

Raimi,instead of wasting precious minutes,even seconds of the movie on cheesy scenes that hurt the movie,use every second to make the characters better.

 

[Wiseman]

When Spider-man 2 came out I don't remember anyone on these boards thinking Raimi needed to be replaced or that he didn't get the characters, except The Slag. In fact he wrote an open letter to Raimi on these boards telling him to move on and let someone else direct SM3 and he was ripped by a lot of posters. Now, I'll agree SM3 sucked, and I've always thought the movies weren't cast very well(Kirsten Dunst, ugh) but Raimi was the first director to take a comic book movie mainstream and make it successful without sacrificing what made the charactor great in the comics. I mean the first made 400 million for a reason, and the second is widely considered one of the best sequels ever. And lets face it, the third movie in almost every trilogy sucks, at least with Spider-man it wasn't as bad as the other comic book movies with 3 at the end

 

[The Joker]

And if I may add 2 more: no more wimp-Parker please and get rid of Dunst ff sake!

Oh yes, those too. Especially getting rid of Dunst.

 

[TheSlag]

Raiirmi knows Peter Parker, the character???

Really....

I am still thinking Raimi does not know "any" of the characters. Starting with the 2 leading actors, Peter and Spider-Man, and going all the way down to the most minor of support character.

Made some mistakes you say Raimi.. YOU DON'T SAY!?!?!? *sheesh*

Let us "count the ways" shall we:

1) Spider-Man day in New York. You got to be kidding me. Did you read the same comic I did, grew up reading and LOVING IT??? Loving that ole Peter Parker luck, the thankless lack of gratitude he got for being Spidey. Yes, in all fairness, you have given us tid bits here and there, but only tid bits. You have NEVER truely flushed out that aspect of the character.. PERIOD. You have mostly tried to represent this in a co-dependent character and relationship with MJ. All about a girl.. That Girl! lol.. I spit on your grave, as you have spit on Gwen's grave with your embracing of that storyline.

Yeah sure, the first movie, we realized that it was a caclulated risk, but yet, you INTENSIFY that story line in SM2 and SM3. You throw more shame by taking one of Spidey's greatest Story Arc's (Spidey NO more).. and hang it all around a weepy Peter, basing it on the fact that "he cannot have the girl he loves"... HAVE YOU READ THE FRICKIN COMICS AT ALL?????

2) Emo Spider-Man. OK, maybe this was a sick twisted (perverted) take on the symbiote and it's effect on Peter. BUT.. to me, that just shows me you do not understand the character of the symbiote, along with Peter Parker. Do you think Peter is simply ALL about the gril? Peter comes off as a selfish, childish cry-baby. Especially when you concentrate on that storyline so much, and in doing so, sacrifice the rich supporting cast that is, and always will be the golden years of the Spider-Man comics. Aunt May is no more that an afterthought in your perverse world. We do not see any of the rich paint brushes of that character we saw in the comics. She loves Spider-Man in the movies, where she did not in the comics. We see in the comics, where the most important person in Peter's life is his Aunt May.. period.. bar none. I do NOT get that feeling with the movie version at all. All about a girl.. that girl.. I spit on that storyline.

3) Changing the killer of Uncle Ben's to Sandman, to simply try to further an already weak storyline to begin with, with the symbiote. Piss poor writing and directing. Giving another "personal connection" to the villain with Peter. By doing this, you ROB the greatness that is the storyline of Dr. Connors/Lizard. But why should you care? You have not even attempted to develop that character or that storyline one iota. Dr. Connors is no more that a footnote in the movie world of Spider-Man. Simply a teacher, with one of his better students at best. And the Connor's clan.. MIA (Missing in Action). Zero development. Great setup.. NOT! And Sandman can fly, can grow to bigger than a T-Rex size and growls/roars like a T-Rex? And worse of all, he is really just a misunderstood guy. BUNK! This sympathetic approach for ALL villains, AGAIN, basically robs Connors/Lizard of his true birthright in the Spider-Man verse.

4) GweMJ (that vile creation of yours). Again, maybe the first movie I could cut you SOME slack, calculating the risk and not knowing (for sure) that there was future for the franchise. BUT, I thought you were supposed to be the champion of the franchise. The one who stood up for the character(s) and the storylines? So EVEN if I cut you some slack for the first "rendering" of the GweMJ atrosity, WHEN you continue it in SM2 and SM3, and MAKE it the FOCAL POINT of the stories AGAIN, I cut you NONE! Casting aside... AGAIN, Have you READ the frickin comics? Where is MJ a co-dependent whiny, clingy, grasp any man to fill a void character that you make her out to be in the movie version? I'll tell you... SHE IS NOT!!!

5) Storylines. The greatest story arc (Gwen's death) at the hands of Goblin. MIA. Capt Stacy's death during a battle between Spidey and Ock... MIA. Gwen blaming Spider-Man, hating Spider-Man for the death of her father.. MIA. Aunt May hating/mistrusting Spider-Man.. causing more stress in Peter's life. MIA.

It all basically boils down to "paying respect" to these great storylines. And you fail. Miserably IMO. Instead, you give us Saturday Nite (Staying Alive) Peter in SM2... you give us EMO Jazz Hall Dancing Peter in SM3. You give us FLUFF.. when the crux of Spider-Man's greatest arcs go.. "say it with me".. MIA!

I can only dream of the day when you go MIA from the Spider-Man franchise, and we get a fresh start.. and a "true" Director that KNOWS and truely LOVES and respects the Spider-Man verse (Story and Characters).

"Nuff Said"

 

[batman11]

Wow. That would make a great speech. LOL t:

 

[craigdbfan]

How about if he takes a deeper look at Peter Parker's alter ego Spider-Man instead of another round of more Peter Parker escapades? Thats who he forgot to develop in the third film.

I honestly have had enough of Raimi's interpretation of the character (Peter Parker). Its time to focus on the mask (Spider-Man) more. He needs to concentrate more on Spider-Man though this time around.

At least he acknowledges his mistakes on the third film and it honestly seems that he wants to improve on the character.

As long as we don't get the dancing, emo, and flat out annoying Peter Parker from the third film, I'll be happy.

 

[Frodo]

I'm gonna have to wait and see before I make a judgement. If the villian turns out to be Morbuis I'm gonna wait for cable.

 

[mojo-x]

I hope Ramie can come up with a better climax’s then Spidey haven to rescue MJ. Is it just me or did the ending to S3 seem like they realized the movie was getting kind of long and they had to come up with an ending and some one said why not have the villains kidnap MJ, it worked so well for the first two.

 

[DACrowe]

Mmm.

I am not going to waste time watching fanboys deride him. It is obvious he will not get an inch with the fan community after SM3 until SM4 comes out. If it is a good movie he will be beloved again and SM3 will be a "misstep."

I do agree he has made mistakes and has never gotten the character "just right" and does miss some aspects (Peter's growing confidence and Spidey's smart-assedry mostly), but I won't say he has done a bad job either. He made two good movies, one of which I thought was very good.

I just find it funny when SM2 came out Raimi could do no wrong and fanboys absolutely loved him. I remember in one of those pointless "who should replace Nolan" threads in the Batboards, fanboys started salivating at Raimi doing it because "the trailer for SM3 looks like teh most epic."

Now, he says he wants to make a fourth one to redeem the third and go a new direction and fans want to kick dirt in his eye because he "raped their childhood."



Hopefully when 2011 rolls around Raimi will release a good Spidey flick and can retire from the genre as the fanboys try and perform oral in his direction again.

We'll see.

 

[DACrowe]

P.S.

Slag, I liked Spidey No More better in the movie.....



Excuse me now, I'm going to run as fast as I can in the other direction.

 

[MAN O STEEL]

Mmm.

I am not going to waste time watching fanboys deride him. It is obvious he will not get an inch with the fan community after SM3 until SM4 comes out. If it is a good movie he will be beloved again and SM3 will be a "misstep."

I do agree he has made mistakes and has never gotten the character "just right" and does miss some aspects (Peter's growing confidence and Spidey's smart-assedry mostly), but I won't say he has done a bad job either. He made two good movies, one of which I thought was very good.

I just find it funny when SM2 came out Raimi could do no wrong and fanboys absolutely loved him. I remember in one of those pointless "who should replace Nolan" threads in the Batboards, fanboys started salivating at Raimi doing it because "the trailer for SM3 looks like teh most epic."

Now, he says he wants to make a fourth one to redeem the third and go a new direction and fans want to kick dirt in his eye because he "raped their childhood."



Hopefully when 2011 rolls around Raimi will release a good Spidey flick and can retire from the genre as the fanboys try and perform oral in his direction again.

We'll see.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA , BEST POST EVER!. I officially love you dude. Your point is spot on, funny how quick fanboys can turn on ya isn't it?. I admitt I disliked certain parts of SM3 but overall I enjoyed it for what it was and decided to just move on & look forward to a 4. Some ppl just need to chill & get a life & realise how small the failure of one movie really is.





Steve

 

[Wheels]

Some of you guys are crazy!

I absolutely loved the first two Spiderman movies, and while I did not like the third movie, at least it was somewhat entertaining in some parts. Be glad you have it so good, you could be a Superman fan like me.



Need I say more?

 

[dark_b]

spiderman 3 made a lot of money. i dont think they will change a lot.plus Raimi loves hes peter parker and he really wants Dunst back and have her like in all 3 movies.

i so i dont expect a change. i think it will be again only love drama and crying.

 

[dark_b]

its nice that he made Drag me to hell. so its note veryday only about spiderman. he had a lot of fun making Drag me to hell so this could help. he needs to understand that SM4 needs to be fun and not ''drama''.

 

[The Joker]

Wow. That would make a great speech. LOL t:

Especially since everything he said is true!

spiderman 3 made a lot of money. i dont think they will change a lot.

Raimi had no creative control over Spider-Man 3. He has full creative control over Spider-Man 4.

I expect to see many changes. Hopefully for the better.