It's funny how after IM3 came out, suddenly these Mandarin "fans" start coming out of nowhere.
Aldrich Killian IS the Mandarin, something that many fans tend to ignore or outright deny. Accounting for the dissatisfaction from the so-called fans, they tend to use the Joker as an example, such as "what if Joker turned out to be a mascot whos controlled by a scheming businessman and you say that that guy is the Joker?" Now, that comparison doesnt actually work because the Joker has had one general consistent and very iconic look to his character: a guy in some purple formal wear, with white skin and green hair that looks like a clown. I can't say the same about the Mandarin. I have yet to see the Mandarin make any sort of impact in the Marvel comics universe. Cartoons, toy makes and writers have always been baffled about how to present him and usually create incarnations of their own. He's portrayed as everything from a sorcerer, to an ancient ghost, to a green-skinned alien, to a business man, to a teenage descendant of Gengis Khan in magic armour. Iron Man 3 isn't doing anything new by doing their own version.
This line of argument is even worse, for it gets it all backwards on top of everything else wrong with it. Nobody is saying the 'mascot', that is, Kingsley, is the Mandarin. A somewhat more analogous metaphor would be 'What if the Joker were a behind-the-scenes manipulator who used clown-faced agents who claim to be him as pawns and distractions?' Which. . . actually sounds like a viable take on the Joker, to me, as long as his motive is still "create theatrical crime and chaos."
They did get that, he was just not Asian, was blonde and didn't have the rings
Actually, i'm pretty sure Joker has used some goons portray him in order for him to act behind the scenes, hell, Killing Joke started with a fake Joker in a prison.
Problem with the Mandarin is that he was an incredibly racist character, with a name like "Mandarin" and a stereotypical look.
Not really, a character being Arab or chinese isn't racist, the problem is the context in which the character is presented, Ra's Al Ghul doesn't sound racist at all, but a villain called: The MANDARIN! does.
Changes to the character story are minor, why hate this guy?Yes because Fox have done most of their other characters justice right? Mmmmmmm let's see.....
How come revenge or jealousy are important stories to be adapted from pages to film, but people still moan on this cliche in movies?
Point taken about this one
I only want to see Galactus done in movie if played by George Takei
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since I was never a hardcore iron man fan, i.e the comics, but I think fanboys were looking for something more on the lines of this
This line of argument is even worse, for it gets it all backwards on top of everything else wrong with it. Nobody is saying the 'mascot', that is, Kingsley, is the Mandarin. A somewhat more analogous metaphor would be 'What if the Joker were a behind-the-scenes manipulator who used clown-faced agents who claim to be him as pawns and distractions?' Which. . . actually sounds like a viable take on the Joker, to me, as long as his motive is still "create theatrical crime and chaos."
Marvel studios made big changes too
No kidding.
I'm pretty sure most of them are not Mandarin fans, they are "fans" of the Nolan-esque Mandarin they saw in the trailers. . . and by that I mean they had visions of "finally, a movie we can take seriously!"
Which is to say, they weren't, and aren't, fans at all. They became fans only when it looked like they might get a darker and edgier movie, to finally wash away all that icky poo optimism and heroism that 'infects' the franchise.
In defense of the Galactus cloud, they did that because they considered him to be too big to have his appearance completelly revealed in his first appearance
But it's what they said, he was going to be completelly revealed in the Silver Surfer Spin-off
Mandarin, on the other hand, is identified much more closely with Chinese culture than Yinsen because his parentage is specified.
Specified as half british and half mongol. That blend could be from anywhere.
They did get that sans the rings.
Iron Man - 9.5/10 - best superhero movie I've ever seen. Extremely faithful.
Iron Man 2 - 8.5/10 - Very good but you just can't beat the first. Some liberties taken starting to bother me.
Iron Man 3 - 5/10 - Unforgivable if it stays as is w/o some retcon or something.
Pretty much agree but for me the twist was the least of the problems with the film although it was pretty aweful. Iron man was wonderful but I wouldn't say its the absolute best for me but it was the first of the best.