The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Rate the NEW ASM2 costume!!! - Part 1

[Vid Electricz]

Contradicting yourself already? I thought you said it failed in distancing itself from the other Spider-Man movies?

Here's to reading and comprehension (or lack thereof)! Take a look at my post on the matter again. No contradictions.

(to repeat myself)

1. All the unecessary, alterations to the Spidey universe did not, it fact, improve the film.

2. Having no qualms with the suit from TASM, I was baffled as to why the extreme regression back to referencing the Raimi films costume in TASM2 after they went so far out of their way to distance themselves in TASM.

I really can't be any more succinct.

*sigh* let me re-post my last response to this issue:

Originally Posted by JOE
Describe "with little success". TASM was very successful in distancing itself from Raimi's Spider-Man.

Just like Batman and Robin was very successful at distancing itself from the Burton films (harsh example, sorry). Just because it's "different" doesn't guarantee a favorable result.

Meaning they waaaay went out of their way to differentiate themseleves from the original series by changing things unnecessarily (Ben's death, no wrestling) while adding new elements (Oscorp as a shadowy, evil conglomeration, Peter's parents) that ultimately did nothing for the story.

For all it's changes, TASM was a lukewarm, pieced together movie.

Edit: If TASM did such a good job sitancing itself, why are they right back in bed with the original series, copying the Raimi suit almost to a tee?

 

[JOE]

If TASM did such a good job sitancing itself, why are they right back in bed with the original series, copying the Raimi suit almost to a tee? [/B]

Are you dense? Did you ever think to yourself that they're going after the comic book look and not Raimi's look? Just because Raimi's was similar to the comics, that doesn't mean that someone creating a suit in accordance to the comics is copying Raimi's. That's such an ignorant train of thought.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Are you dense? Did you ever think to yourself that they're going after the comic book look and not Raimi's look? Just because Raimi's was similar to the comics, that doesn't mean that someone creating a suit in accordance to the comics is copying Raimi's. That's such an ignorant train of thought.

And like I said- since when did the "comic book look" have the raised webbing and brick pattern which were very distinct to the Raimi films? Oh that's right, it never did (and this is where you whine about nitpicking because it doesn't favor your argument).

The only ignorant line of thinking I see here, is you ignoring blatant similarities to the previous series costume and trying to denigrate my argument with name calling and the accusation of "nitpicking".

 

[JOE]

If raised webbing and brick patterns are the only argument you have... Then I have already won.

 

[Vid Electricz]

If raised webbing and brick patterns are the only argument you have... Then I have already won.

Won what? I stated my distaste for the TASM2 costume re-treading the Raimi costume, noting that the raised webs and brick pattern are very distinctive to the Raimi series and that it's foolish and baffling as to why a series trying so hard to differentiate itself from the previous one would start copying it.

You haven't changed my mind or even presented anything resembling a reasonable argument. If it helps you sleep at night to think you've "won" then more power to you, man.

 

[The Infernal]

And like I said- since when did the "comic book look" have the raised webbing and brick pattern which were very distinct to the Raimi films? Oh that's right, it never did (and this is where you whine about nitpicking because it doesn't favor your argument).

The only ignorant line of thinking I see here, is you ignoring blatant similarities to the previous series costume and trying to denigrate my argument with name calling and the accusation of "nitpicking".

They're not ignoring those details. They're saying that a couple of similarities doesn't make it the Raimi costume and that you're focusing on a couple of relatively minor details to make your argument seem more credible.

 

[JOE]

Won what? I stated my distaste for the TASM2 costume re-treading the Raimi costume, noting that the raised webs and brick pattern are very distinctive to the Raimi series and that it's foolish and baffling as to why a series trying so hard to differentiate itself from the previous one would start copying it.

You haven't changed my mind or even presented anything resembling a reasonable argument. If it helps you sleep at night to think you've "won" then more power to you, man.

Do you need a hug?

 

[JOE]

They're not ignoring those details. They're saying that a couple of similarities doesn't make it the Raimi costume and that you're focusing on a couple of relatively minor details to make your argument seem more credible.

All of this, every pixel.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I see a Spider-man suit in ASM2 that draws influences from several points. I see the influence of the classic design, the influence of either Bagley or Macfarlane, the influence of the suit from the first ASM movie, the influence of Raimi. I also see an extremely gorgeous suit

 

[JOE]

Ebony, ivory, living in perfect harmony.

 

[Vid Electricz]

They're not ignoring those details. They're saying that a couple of similarities doesn't make it the Raimi costume and that you're focusing on a couple of relatively minor details to make your argument seem more credible.

They may just be a "couple similarities", but they are a couple of very blatant, derivative similarities on what is essentially the visual centerpiece of the film (the Spidey suit). It's a new series and there should be a "new" suit (use a different type of webbing, use a different pattern-keep the classic red and blues , etc...), don't re-tread elements of the old series -sadly, this costume derivation speaks volumes and is perfectly in line with many of Webb's other dubious "creative" choices.

 

[JOE]

Haterade, is it in you?

 

[Alt-Josh]

I see a Spider-man suit in ASM2 that draws influences from several points. I see the influence of the classic design, the influence of either Bagley or Macfarlane, the influence of the suit from the first ASM movie, the influence of Raimi. I also see an extremely gorgeous suit

That's really all that needs to be said. No need to get so riled up about the suit: it looks fantastic and isn't that what matters? And it won't do anything to change the actual quality of the movie.

 

[PeterBenParker]

I can agree with Vid on one thing about the suit, and that it does look very similar to Sam Raimi's. I remember seeing the first official photo of the suit that Webb tweeted out, and I was pretty bothered by it.

I had no problems with the original suit from the first movie, to be honest. I just would've liked them adding in the "belt" design, and removing the leg stripes on the suit for the sequel (and add the new eye design they have).

Unfortunately so, that wasn't the case.

However, looking at the new suit now, it's grown on me and I can accept it. I like that they decided to keep the webbing black (although, it looks more greyish due to the webbing being raised), thinned it out more than Sam Raimi's disgustingly thick pattern, and added the new eyes.

Hell, I would've loved it if the new suit kept the original colors of the first suit, while keeping everything else it has now. Ah well, I guess I'll have to wait until the next reboot to see what the suit looks like. Hopefully, it's not raised webbing again.

 

[JOE]

There's still a third and fourth movie for them to change the costume, again. Who knows what they could come up with. It could be the absolute perfect suit. I love the evolution of the suit as the movies pass, it adds a lot to this series.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Side by side

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Shots of the suit I thought were cool -

 

[The Infernal]

Really tempted to watch the Raimi films again now. lol

 

[JOE]

The raised webbing looks so much better in TASM2 than it did in the Raimi films.

 

[Boy Scout]

Side by side

They look more alike than different - and not just because they're both extremely faithful to the source material. I don't see why it's such a big deal to say that the new suit took heavy inspiration from the old one, even if they don't look one hundred percent exactly the same. I mean...look at them. It's clear as day. Accepting the similarities to the Raimi suit won't tarnish your love of the ASM2 suit.

 

[Alt-Josh]

Side by side

Thank you for posting this. Shows that they are a lot different. It's not debatable.

 

[The Infernal]

They look more alike than different - and not just because they're both extremely faithful to the source material. I don't see why it's such a big deal to say that the new suit took heavy inspiration from the old one, even if they don't look one hundred percent exactly the same. I mean...look at them. It's clear as day. Accepting the similarities to the Raimi suit won't tarnish your love of the ASM2 suit.

Who is saying that?

 

[Boy Scout]

Who is saying that?

Nobody. I didn't say anyone said that. That was just the impression I was getting from some of the folks who vehemently protest any major similarities between the suits.

 

[mayo23]

They look more alike than different - and not just because they're both extremely faithful to the source material. I don't see why it's such a big deal to say that the new suit took heavy inspiration from the old one, even if they don't look one hundred percent exactly the same. I mean...look at them. It's clear as day. Accepting the similarities to the Raimi suit won't tarnish your love of the ASM2 suit.

I disagree with this. It's clear as day how? Why do you think they are more alike than different?

In fact, you're statement doesn't make sense to me. Aside from the fact that they used the brick pattern as a homage to the Raimi suit, I can actually spot more differences than similarities between the two. Other than because they're both extremely faithful to the source material, it's actually difficult for me to see how the two suits are more alike than different.

If you'd like, I can make a list as to why I think they're both different.

 

[The Infernal]

Nobody. I didn't say anyone said that. That was just the impression I was getting from some of the folks who vehemently protest any major similarities between the suits.

I know no one said it. I say that to try and illustrate tht it's quite the leap in logic to say that's what people are thinking.

I think you're misunderstanding the argument. Reading peoples posts I don't see it as about being about similarities in general, but about specifically elements that originate from the Raimi suit and not elements that are just comic accurate.

When you break it down to that you only have the those two elements, the brick pattern and the raised webbing. The latter of which being significantly different itself.