Rated R Ghost Rider Sequel

[Midnyte_Sun]

OK, I know many people will disagree with me here, but now that the movie has been out and has gotten numerous praise and complaints, I think its time for a fresh clean slate and a new direction for the character and 'let loose' the series in a whole different direction -> Dan Ketch and the True Spirit of Vengeance in Rated R glory.

Some changes I'd like to see:

1. Rated R Ghost Rider. A Ghost Rider that is not afraid to get his hands dirty, a Ghost Rider who is truly a spirit of vengeance, no cheesy one liners, a serious and deadly force of nature.

2. Deadlier enemies who are worthy of GR's vengeance. Lets see a few burned bodies, a few decapitations, a few tormented souls, a few people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, and some nice explosions. Basically, battle sequences that people will remember!

3. A more smarter, non-linear plot, with a few plot twists. Maybe we need a new writer who can deliver this. Better dialogue this time around.

4. Stylized, and a refreshing look that when people see this they will see this is a different Ghost Rider. One thing that dissapointed me about the 1st movie is that the movie, even though having a western vibe, didnt have the grit that a western should have. San Venganza and the Murky Swamp really looked like set pieces not dirty or old. The scenes were a little 'too clean.' A flaming skull definitely attracts people, as the 1st movie definitely delivered, but we need a different look for the film, and something that screams to be watched but when seen, delivers a horrific presence that scares the ***** out of you but you cant stop watching. C'mon MSJ I know you can pull this off! Ghost Rider has never been a comic that treads on the same path as other heroes, lets see what hes truly made of.

5. New Actors who have real screen time, charisma, charm, and characater development. We don't need Nicolas Cage.

6. Bigger Budget

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

"It's hard, you know?" he says. "Obviously, you'd love to get great reviews, and you want people to go. But the big picture is it's an expensive movie to make: People have to go. Nobody is going to care if you get good reviews if nobody goes. I have a responsibility to the studio to do well, and a darker, grittier, gorier version of this movie would have definitely pleased the critics more and some of the hardcore fans. But they won't make that movie. And you can't make a cheap Ghost Rider, you just can't. Every time you see the Ghost Rider's face it's $50,000, every time. That's the problem of having a CG hero. So that's kind of my own deal with the devil. But I like it. I wanted to make a movie that I might have fell in love with as a kid, that I would have seen on TV on creature feature night. And I wanted to make something a little goofy and just different. And Nic and I were both laughing about this because it's always the same thing, they always complain that you don't try anything different, and then when you do you get killed. Like, 'What the hell were they thinking! It's so stupid!' We did a lot of out there s--t, and not all of it probably works, but at least we were trying to do something different." - MSJ talking to IGN

C'mon MSJ we know we wont make that movie, but you need to let Sony know what fans want, and we want a film that people will remember in 20 years. So the reason why there is not a darker or grittier Ghost Rider movie is because the studio doesnt want it? So in essence, what you're trying to tell us is that we should blame Sony for pumping out PG-13, mellow Sci-Fi/Action/Horror flicks?

MSJ, please realize that they can't use that PG-13 card anymore. They kept saying Rated R movies, let alone Rated R comic movies wont sell, but yet Frank Miller's 300 racked over $445 million dollars, thats without DVD sales.

I really wanted 2007 to be the year of the Rider, but only I, and a few people here would even know what we're even referring to. Please don't make the same mistakes again.

 

[BURNFOREVER]

Rated-R and NO MSJ.
It´s the ONLY way.
300 was the best exemple of how the pg13´s theory is stupid.
A movie doesn´t have to be silly to be a huge sucess.
300 made more money than GR.
Think about it...
But of course. The movie was directed by Zack Snyder.
It´s a huge difference.
As always, GR4EVR!!!

 

[crazy sock]

"I wanted to make a movie that I might have fell in love with as a kid"
yeah okay. if I saw this movie when I was a lil kid, id still think the same as i do now.

 

[crazy sock]

Rated-R and NO MSJ.
It´s the ONLY way.
300 was the best exemple of how the pg13´s theory is stupid.
A movie doesn´t have to be silly to be a huge sucess.
300 made more money than GR.
Think about it...
But of course. The movie was directed by Zack Snyder.
It´s a huge difference.
As always, GR4EVR!!!

maybe Zack Snyder should direct GR. hes done Dawn of the Dead and 300. DOTD, a horror n gore zombie movie and 300, a action packed CGI comic book film. he did both movies very very well. so theres no doubt in my mind that he wouldnt be able to do the same with GR.

 

[BURNFOREVER]

Yeah, man.
300 is unbelieveble, and cost only $ 65 million, almost half of GR´s budget.
Snyder is a choice, for sure. But now he´s involved with the Watchmen production. So, why not Alex "The Crow" Proyas or Stephen "Blade" Norrington? Or even, being extremely raddical, Rob Zombie? "The Devil´s Rejects" is great. And i wanna hear some hardcore songs on the GR2 soundtrack, please!
Anyway, there´s plenty of good people around.
The worst is over. GR was finally introduced to the world, the flaming skull is now an iconic image.
People in general known him now.
A cool sequel is all he needs.
GR4EVR!!!

 

[herestoloveha]

*if*
They should make a Ghost Rider 2. It should be called something like Ghost Rider: (something witty). This way those dumbasses who payed to see the first one thinking they'd get a good NICK CAGE FLICK will pay again to come see an actual good movie.
THey should take a better approach with the Character. Obviously the Johnny Blaze and Roxanne story didn't unfold very well on screen. The formula was so done by daredevil and Hulk. that nobody really cared. Also where the hell was the action?
I say they reamp the series with a new actor and new story and disregard the fact that Nick Cage was ever johnny blaze. They should set it in a run down NYC. And have Johnny blaze Younger than He was in this movie have him something like Keanu Reeves in Constantine. This way the story could be *he's been ghost rider for years and this is what his life has become*. He's just some "WASHED UP" looking dude but in the face of evil (moon) whatever he becomes the rider. So i'm thinking some Sin City/ Crow type landscapes. I also think there should be more emphasis on him BRAWLING. Jumping, kicking, punching, and beating the sh*** out of people with this chain. I think if they went for a much darker movie. They could actually succeed where THE PUNISHER failed. and Ghost Rider (1) for that matter.

I think this movie idea would be bad ass LETS GET IT MADE PEOPLE.

 

[deathshead2]

A rated r ghost rider would be cool. But very unlikey that it would happen.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

If MSJ wanted to market this movie to kids he should have not have promised the real fan base (which he calls the 'hardcore' fans) so much.

Most GR Fans either grew up reading the comic in the 70s or in the 90s. I'm not asking for MSJ to retell a 70s story, or make an epic 3 hour movie....I just want an adaptation that is chock-full of action, a more compelling story, and a movie that will really spark interest in the character.

 

[Mr. Socko]

MSJ said it was rated PG13 because he didn't want to isolate a certain audience, him and Avi were basically scared an R rated comic book film wouldn't make that much money yet 300 disproved that.

 

[comicfan66]

if Ghost rider was rated R it would be one of the best comicbook movies ever coz GR has always been a dark comic

 

[Zombie_samurai]

exactly

 

[punisher14]

OK, I know many people will disagree with me here, but now that the movie has been out and has gotten numerous praise and complaints, I think its time for a fresh clean slate and a new direction for the character and 'let loose' the series in a whole different direction -> Dan Ketch and the True Spirit of Vengeance in Rated R glory.

Some changes I'd like to see:

1. Rated R Ghost Rider. A Ghost Rider that is not afraid to get his hands dirty, a Ghost Rider who is truly a spirit of vengeance, no cheesy one liners, a serious and deadly force of nature.

2. Deadlier enemies who are worthy of GR's vengeance. Lets see a few burned bodies, a few decapitations, a few tormented souls, a few people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, and some nice explosions. Basically, battle sequences that people will remember!

3. A more smarter, non-linear plot, with a few plot twists. Maybe we need a new writer who can deliver this. Better dialogue this time around.

4. Stylized, and a refreshing look that when people see this they will see this is a different Ghost Rider. One thing that dissapointed me about the 1st movie is that the movie, even though having a western vibe, didnt have the grit that a western should have. San Venganza and the Murky Swamp really looked like set pieces not dirty or old. The scenes were a little 'too clean.' A flaming skull definitely attracts people, as the 1st movie definitely delivered, but we need a different look for the film, and something that screams to be watched but when seen, delivers a horrific presence that scares the ***** out of you but you cant stop watching. C'mon MSJ I know you can pull this off! Ghost Rider has never been a comic that treads on the same path as other heroes, lets see what hes truly made of.

5. New Actors who have real screen time, charisma, charm, and characater development. We don't need Nicolas Cage.

6. Bigger Budget

I agree w/ everything here

 

[Darkknight2099]

C'mon MSJ we know we wont make that movie, but you need to let Sony know what fans want, and we want a film that people will remember in 20 years. So the reason why there is not a darker or grittier Ghost Rider movie is because the studio doesnt want it? So in essence, what you're trying to tell us is that we should blame Sony for pumping out PG-13, mellow Sci-Fi/Action/Horror flicks?

MSJ, please realize that they can't use that PG-13 card anymore. They kept saying Rated R movies, let alone Rated R comic movies wont sell, but yet Frank Miller's 300 racked over $445 million dollars, thats without DVD sales.

I really wanted 2007 to be the year of the Rider, but only I, and a few people here would even know what we're even referring to. Please don't make the same mistakes again.

I agree but what gets me is that Blade which lauched the comic movie wave from Marvel was rated R. It had the edge and grit needed for a vampire hunter. They weren't thinking of kids but about making the character how he should be on the big screen. Blade was a B if not a C Marvel character. Ghost Rider is a B character (no offense to the die-hard fans) so why can't he get the R-rating he deserves?

GR is dark and gritty, he takes down demons, sinners and just the scum of evil. An R-rating would allow for a more creative edge and draw in the money that the other R-rated movies bring in. Marvel has enough "kiddie-friendly" movies, with Blade gone, give us adults the dark-hero we want.

DK2099

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Amen to that.

One reason I loved Blade so much was that they knew the material was dark, and they went with it.

Blade and Ghost Rider don't fight Doc Ocs and Sandmans...they fight enemies that rip the skin off their victims and wear them...they fight enemies that aren't just 'the bad guy', there the guy who takes the word 'bad' to a level undreamt of. And I'm sorry, but to fight enemies like that you need a protagonist that can scare the ***** out of the worst bad guys...sorry Spiderman doesn't make the cut.

A dark and trajic hero is not cliche, its what Anti-Heros are all about, if there is to be comedy, it should be dark comedy, not Fat Goth chicks, Jellybeans, and Karate Monkeys.

 

[crazy sock]

/\agreed

 

[Mr. Socko]

Y'know, the first time I saw the trailer, I thought the fat goth chick part was funny. Then they kept showing her in every trailer and tv spot, they milked that scene way too much and it sure didn't hold up in theaters.

 

[Joker]

I still don't understand the calls for an R rated movie. Ghost Rider was NEVER R rated in the comics, even in the current series he still gets the comic book equivalent of a PG-13. All you people calling for R rated just do not get the character, as he's never ever been as dark as you want it to be, even at his darkest (the Ennis series, arguably). The only way it would get an R rating is if you have graphic human deaths, which is not something you need in a Ghost Rider movies, as it's all fantasy violence against demons.

 

[The Only Woj]

does anyone remember that Goyer wrote what was apparently a really good rated-R horror Ghost Rider, that got dumped in favor of MSJ writing and directing the version we got?

when people say rated-R, I think they typically mean one that doesn't cut certain corners in order to tone down the rating.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Well Goyer's script was trashed because it took the character away from his roots. The Ghost Rider was unleashed by a flip of the coin, it had Native Americans and Shamans in it...and psychics.

What was great about the script was the action..some of which was put into MSJ's version, lot of which was trashed.

The scene where GR gets hit by the truck...in Goyers version, he ripped the trucks front off and burned one of the enemies. There was lots of human enemies that he killed in this movie.

Ghost Rider himself barely talked at all and when he did...whoever he talked to was in trouble. The flames of the Ghost Rider were supposed to mimick the face of the host so they can show some emotion. The fire also changed colors, which MSJ did use.

Ghost Rider's penance stare was more abstract, and it would show how it afflicted both Rider and Victim at the end. This was to show that Ghost Rider was really cursed and he also felt the pain of all enemies' victims. Also, whenever Ghost Rider got shot or stabbed, or hit, the physical damage was shared by the host after Ghost Rider transformed back into a human. MSJ used a part of that during the part when he got stabbed by the street punk and Caretaker was stitching his wounds. In one scene in the Goyer script, JB was covered in blood and bullet holes and he was in the hospital recuperating after Ghost Rider's last run in with his victims.

I"ll say it again, the action was amazing, and the way Goyer described Ghost Rider was very cool. He really meant to show him as a monster that he was and that turning into him wasnt fun....it was a true curse.

 

[Zombie_samurai]

Damn it that sounds so much better than the ghost rider we got

 

[Mr Nick]

Ghost Rider himself barely talked at all and when he did...whoever he talked to was in trouble.


I'd definitely have preferred him to have been like that in the movie.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Goyer really made GR intimidating. I liked in one part in the script he describes how Ghost Rider is like a Great White Shark...when he looks at you...you know your death is coming...but if he spares you, its like the whole world breathes in relief. That is the type of emotion Ghost Rider should have given to people.

The penance stare with the Glossy eyes that are charred black were also in Goyer's script. He also gave GR the power to control wordly fire. When one of the human enemies tried to escape by using a truck, he controlled the fire so that the fuel would not ignite.

His hands and his chains were also big weapons in the Goyer script. His hands would emit heat haze and burn bright white when he used it to rip a car in half, and he also shot hellfire from his hands in the Goyer script.

I also liked how in the Goyer script (like in the Ghost Rider comics) Ghost Rider's bike would make the ground tremble and it would unleash a hellish roar, as would Ghost Rider himself.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I hated Ghost Rider's voice especially after MSJ hyped it up saying it would shake the entire theater when you hear it, and that it'll be one of the most memorable voices you ever hear on film. That was bull.

 

[crazy sock]

i cant exactly remember the voice itself. but i do remember thinking "man, how disappointing".