Ratner on the pace of the film

snwboarder88 said:
The only thing that really kept this movie back from being the best is how short it was, and they really needed to focus more on the characters and not so much the action.

Brett and his damn add
i don't see the corellation betwen making the film longer and character development...

there was plenty of time available within the actually film to get those points accros if done corectly
 
ok, i think ratner should attend an interviewing skills class. coz he's just saying the wrong things!!!

on the whole, i like the gist of the movie. there's something there- you know what i mean? the basic plot and story and emotions are there. but it's too short to actually feel attached to the characters or understand it all. bad pace!!! again- expand expand expand! even just 10-15 minutes might have turned this movie into a whole lot better one.
 
I love the mix-matching powers point as if he did something clever and cool and ingenious and not just lazy and pisspoor.
 
bosef982 said:
I love the mix-matching powers point as if he did something clever and cool and ingenious and not just lazy and pisspoor.
:up:
 
bosef982 said:
I love the mix-matching powers point as if he did something clever and cool and ingenious and not just lazy and pisspoor.


Except if he had included separate people with each of those powers, you'd scream 'way too many characters.'

I think you have to understand the decisions, even if you don't like them.

Callisto took on Caliban's sensing and Quicksilver's speed - it made sense in the movie. That was the only 'mix-matching' i saw.

Psylocke was such a cameo that I'm not sure of her powers - it seemd to be camouflage against objects.
 
And people wonder why I have a problem with Brett Ratner as the director of this movie.
 
X-Maniac said:
Except if he had included separate people with each of those powers, you'd scream 'way too many characters.'

I think you have to understand the decisions, even if you don't like them.

Callisto took on Caliban's sensing and Quicksilver's speed - it made sense in the movie. That was the only 'mix-matching' i saw.

Psylocke was such a cameo that I'm not sure of her powers - it seemd to be camouflage against objects.

Destiny could've easily been recruited by Magneto and been able to prophesize Jeans return, and actually layered some suspense and magnitude to it. After that, Emma Frost could've been recruited to sense Jean's return, and in many ways find Mystique and it would've been consistent and true to character.

Storm didn't need anyone to fight neccessarily, there were more than enough people for her to fight overall. Callisto was simply unneccessary. The fact of the matter is, they were just too lazy to find good characters and flesh them out and instead opted to just throw a few in to make fans happy and mix match the powers.
 
bosef982 said:
Destiny could've easily been recruited by Magneto and been able to prophesize Jeans return, and actually layered some suspense and magnitude to it. After that, Emma Frost could've been recruited to sense Jean's return, and in many ways find Mystique and it would've been consistent and true to character.

Storm didn't need anyone to fight neccessarily, there were more than enough people for her to fight overall. Callisto was simply unneccessary. The fact of the matter is, they were just too lazy to find good characters and flesh them out and instead opted to just throw a few in to make fans happy and mix match the powers.

But that's your personal vision. It won't be shared by everyone and you aren't in a position to make it a reality. Destiny and Emma Frost might indeed have worked... it all depends if you want to constantly have a black cloud of total dissatisfaction over your head over what we did get. X1 and X2 were far from pristine so they shouldn't be held up as shining examples of untouchable perfection. There were complaints about those first two movies: Rogue, Storm, Sabretooth, Deathstrike, Wolverine's domination, plotholes such as Magneto conveniently appearing beneath the crashing X-jet, the mix-match Jason/Mastermind/Proteus character - and I say that as someone who enjoyed those movies despite their flaws.

Callisto was in X3 to be head of the Morlocks, the mutant underground of outcasts (like the vampire underground in Blade, or like many parts of the gay community or other minority communities).

For me the movie worked. Movies about superpowered mutants are never going to have the gravitas of 'real' drama, there are always compromises. Many on the internet are a very specialised and isolated breed, and not representative of the mainstream. Otherwise Batman Begins would have done far better, and Revenge of the Sith would have done far worse.

To be honest, it was pretty obvious who on here was going to like the movie and who wasn't. I felt very mixed before i went, it was hard not to drag in all the negativity from here when i went in. But i enjoyed it greatly. I have had to accept that

1. Singer didn't do it (but I didn't find it stylistically deviated in any massively recognisable way, having the same actors, same sets, the same flashback opening scenes, the same kind of opening sequence)

2. Cyclops was dispatched early on (great scenes from him, wish he'd have been with Jean a bit longer before the inevitable)

3. This was supposed to be the culmination of rising tensions in the previous two movies, and thus was supposed to move more towards an action-filled conflict.

At the end of the day, Singer abandoned this franchise, taking not only himself but all those who had worked with him, and then taking an X-Men actor as well. He didn't even remain in any consulting capacity.
 
And it's BS to think "wow, they want to show unique powers on the screen." Did psylocke have unique powers on screen?
 
The pacing was the most noticeable when they magically appeared in Jean's neighborhood.
 
thev01 said:
I hate you Bret Ratner.

I felt that way before this film was even released...

This guy has no clue how to appease comic fans or even develop new characters properly.

There was a lot of speculation on who the long haired guy in the trench coat, standing with the important Brotherhood members. Clearly, this guy was not a "pawn" and we wanted to know who he was. It was never even brought up and the guy is the mystery man.

For the Gambit fans, we just pretend it's Remy Lebeau, and now we can't be proven wrong. But Brett had no clue how play up the suspense and just tanked on concluding the trilogy.
 
KenK said:
Wow, I remember when the first film came out, and some people complained that there wasn't enough action.

People love b*tching.
I enjoyed it for what it was, an entertaining movie.
Yeah, some parts were off.. some parts WAY off, but you people have to accept that you're never going to get EXACTLY what you want and that complaining about it won't make it a "better" movie.
At least thier costumes didn't have nipples.
:o
 
As I predicted, Brett Ratner and everyone sacrificed quality of story and character development for foolishly fast pacing!

"ADD FRENETIC PACING!"

Moviegoers didn't seem to have a problem with the length and pacing of longer movies like X-men 2, LOTR, Pirates of The Carribbean, and THE INCREDIBLES (longest CG animated movie ever, longer than F4 and X-men 3).
 
What kind of Director thinks that Pacing is more important than character development? Bryan Singer doesn't think like this. Hell, all of our greatest directors don't think that way. Pter Jackson and Steven Spielberg puts considerable time for storytelling in between each actions sequence to give the audience a time to rest and show them more about the characters.
I agree with the Fabxxx. They should have called this X3:The Rushed Stand .
 
X-Maniac said:
Except if he had included separate people with each of those powers, you'd scream 'way too many characters.'

I think you have to understand the decisions, even if you don't like them.

Callisto took on Caliban's sensing and Quicksilver's speed - it made sense in the movie. That was the only 'mix-matching' i saw.

Psylocke was such a cameo that I'm not sure of her powers - it seemd to be camouflage against objects.

Then introduce the APPROPRIATE characters from the comics. If the plot requires a Caliban mutant, introduce Caliban, not Callisto, especially since Callisto isnt needed as the Morlock leader or anything of the sort.

Why not give Psylocke her real powers, hm? Did the plot need a camoflage mutant??? That just smacks of lazy, random changes.

Cut out the UNNEEDED mutants who are just filling space. Why is Juggernaut needed in this movie? He's not Xaviers brother, hes not being used as a character- hes an S&M baddy who quips corny lines in a Cockney accent.
 
Okay! People with ADD should not be directors period!!!! I am sorry from someone who is an incredible fan of the film experience sometimes less is more, a picture can say a thousand words without one word being spoken.

The film truly suffered from the ridiculous pacing of the film, there was no suspense and in the end the characters suffered from this.
 
fabxxx said:
The film should be called:

X3 : Rush Hour !!


/Absolutely Agree!

RATTNER you did exactly that Rush it, and NO this was not like watching a comic book come to life.
 
I think Ratner's opening quote fully summarizes why he should never have been selected to direct this movie.
 
Wow he admits the movie was made for this ADD generation and his MTV-sensibilities.....how beautifully pathetic.

At least he is honest.
 

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