Justice League Ray Fisher Is Victor Stone/Cyborg

[MbJ]

I fully understand wanting proof or details of some kind before making a judgement. But I get why Ray keeps stoking the flames. If the controversy just goes away and nobody is talking about it, WB is free to just sweep it under the rug and continue forward without any changes. In fact, I'm 100 percent sure that's their plan (or at least was initially).

The way the news cycle goes now, there's a very really chance this just disappears for everyone except the hardcore Snyder fans if he shuts up about it.

 

[Bren]

Seems like some folks just want him to be quiet unless he’s willing to give details. I find that to be super questionable.

Tbh I don't get understand this 'super questionable' aspect... I mean, I was raised to speak my mind and if I have something to say, say it. And if you aren't going to say what you mean, be quiet.
So I'd kinda prefer it from others too, like in this case.

But I certainly wouldn't think my opinion is super questionable. Considering that I can also understand in this legal poo show our world has evolved into, how this might not be allowed / tolerated etc.

But that to me makes the current mindset of not being allowed to speak your mind 'super questionable' instead of those people who prefer to do that.

Quite ironically, it seems Ray is literally fighting for the right to speak your mind, but currently has to fit into the legal poo show to get it done.

Funny but sad.

My post : rambling and sad hahaha

 

[spideyfan77]

What WB just says screw it and cancels zack snyders justice league? I can imagine they are probably fed up with it. Now they have one of the actors coming at them after zack got his announcement. They probably figured this would finally be peace time but meanwhile the actors want blood now especially since they have the movie coming out.

 

[Greenlite]

What WB just says screw it and cancels zack snyders justice league? I can imagine they are probably fed up with it. Now they have one of the actors coming at them after zack got his announcement. They probably figured this would finally be peace time but meanwhile the actors want blood now especially since they have the movie coming out.

AT&T owns their a$$ so they can't cancel it lol

Hamada's such a d*** that he got Variety to write a piece saying he's awesome & "Snyder Cut's a pipedream" after the November SC twitter movement last year, and as soon as Snyder Cut was announced THR had a piece saying Emmerich was on Snyder's side all along after the twitter event, and Hamada and co were super pumped after watching the 4 hour cut.



and now the fake Frosty announcement & private manipulative call getting dragged out by Ray

An epic fail at Game of Throne level attempt

 

[KalvinEllis]

Why doesn't Fisher just hire his own investigative team if he doesn't trust WB?

Not sure he could do that in a situation like this. An actor accuses a movie studio of enabling misconduct on set and then hires his own team to do the investigation? Won't fly, just as Ray has been accusing WB of hiring a biased investigator, WB could easily accuse his team of bias every step of the way. No matter how embarrassing their PR department has been, they're still a huge studio and should not be underestimated.

 

[Marvolo]

Maybe legally they can't! You don't hear Whedon talking either. It's a LEGAL investigations going on. I swear, some times people pick sides without hearing a thing. You guys want Fisher to talk but John's and Whedon are not either. Matter of fact, Team DC tried to swing a deal to get Fisher to drop John's out of this thing so SOMETHING must have happened.

Last I heard its an internal company investigation. Not a legal criminal or civil investigation. Unless Fisher has signed NDA's specifically about the investigation he can speak about it. Fisher is already nuking his bridge with WB so being specific about what happened probably isn't going to worsen his situation. Besides, even if WB retaliated against him for giving specific details that would just gain him support.

I don't blame Whedon for staying quite. He shouldn't make any statement until Fisher officially accuses him of any wrongdoing.

And now Fisher is supposedly claiming Ben Affleck returning is a PR tactic to distract people from the crusade.

Justice League: Ray Fisher Claims Ben Affleck's Batman Return Announcement Was WB Distraction Tactic

He seems a bit full of himself.

 

[emc5466]

Whedon and Berg can’t be fired since they aren’t WB employees so what exactly is the endgame here?

 

[SupermanFan]

Last I heard its an internal company investigation. Not a legal criminal or civil investigation. Unless Fisher has signed NDA's specifically about the investigation he can speak about it. Fisher is already nuking his bridge with WB so being specific about what happened probably isn't going to worsen his situation. Besides, even if WB retaliated against him for giving specific details that would just gain him support.

I don't blame Whedon for staying quite. He shouldn't make any statement until Fisher officially accuses him of any wrongdoing.

And now Fisher is supposedly claiming Ben Affleck returning is a PR tactic to distract people from the crusade.

Justice League: Ray Fisher Claims Ben Affleck's Batman Return Announcement Was WB Distraction Tactic

He seems a bit full of himself.

Well said

Honestly it feels to me it’s all about Ray.

He has no proof they released the Batfleck announcement early either, that’s just sepculation yet everyone online is falling for it. This man could ask people to eat his **** at this point and certain people would. I’m fed up of it all and him.

 

[super85]

I am sure there is a joke in Whedon not crediting Ray Fishers hairdresser becouse Whedon is bitter and bald.

I wonder if there will be anything new and exciting regarding this story today.

 

[Mani-Man]

And now Fisher is supposedly claiming Ben Affleck returning is a PR tactic to distract people from the crusade.

Justice League: Ray Fisher Claims Ben Affleck's Batman Return Announcement Was WB Distraction Tactic

He seems a bit full of himself.

Yeah that throws me off too a bit.
I mean it is strange that this and Keaton returning was annouced before the dc fandome...but it still seems rather far fetched.

But then its WB, who knows at this point.
Considering they seemingly lied about how things have gone down with Snyder stepping away from JL and all.
Its again a he said/they said thing.

Whedon and Berg can’t be fired since they aren’t WB employees so what exactly is the endgame here?

I would assume getting toxic people out of the industry to create a better environment for people, especially POC to work in.
I dont for a second think he wants to force a cyborg movie or something for his career as an actor.
He gains little from all this for himself, so i do think he genuinly wants to help create a better workplace in the industry.

 

[Aurakles]

Fisher has been repeatedly referring to other witnesses who were afraid to come forward.
I think the reason he isn't going into specifics in public is because he wasn't the target of the worst of this, but rather a witness to it.
I think he isn't publicly stating " Whedon was abusive to person X" because person X is asked to be kept anonymous.
Protecting the privacy and possibly the careers of cast and crew seems like a good reason for not being specific.

 

[Mani-Man]

Fisher has been repeatedly referring to other witnesses who were afraid to come forward.
I think the reason he isn't going into specifics in public is because he wasn't the target of the worst of this, but rather a witness to it.
I think he isn't publicly stating " Whedon was abusive to person X" because person X is asked to be kept anonymous.
Protecting the privacy and possibly the careers of cast and crew seems like a good reason for not being specific.

I dont know, its all so very vague when it comes to fisher.
The thing im actually more interested in, is what Momoa said.

The guy is around for a while, worked with all kinds of people...him going "we were treated bad" has a lot more weight.
We are talking about a super chill guy who seems to be incredible likeable and upstanding, who seems to get along with everybody.
Him saying there was bad behaviour on set, that is a huge deal.

But either way, this is all way too vague imo, so maybe you are right and it is more that they are witnesses more than victims.
I could see them be this vague because of this, trying to protect the crew.
Again, especially because of Momoa, the guy doesnt take **** from anybody and i have trouble thinking he would stand back and let whedon etc talk down on others.

 

[dark_b]

i find it funny when someone says that Ben should speak out. He has been working in hollywood since the 90s. He was in two Michael Bay movies. he worked on two big budget Bay productions. what Whedon maybe did is nothing compared to Bay. Everyone will survive.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

What WB just says screw it and cancels zack snyders justice league? I can imagine they are probably fed up with it. Now they have one of the actors coming at them after zack got his announcement. They probably figured this would finally be peace time but meanwhile the actors want blood now especially since they have the movie coming out.

Nah. AT&T seems pretty committed to it

 

[Greenlite]

Whedon and Berg can’t be fired since they aren’t WB employees so what exactly is the endgame here?

To eliminate half of WB and create balance to AT&T

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Whedon and Berg can’t be fired since they aren’t WB employees so what exactly is the endgame here?

Theoretically they could fire Whedon from his upcoming HBO show.

 

[obredaan]

It seems odd to me that Fisher is daring Hamada to sue him for his private phone call and yet uses the excuse that he might get sued if he provides details about all the "abuse" that occurred in those 3 months. So far we've gotten more details on the investigation than the actual accusations.

 

[Da-Scribe]

It seems odd to me that Fisher is daring Hamada to sue him for his private phone call and yet uses the excuse that he might get sued if he provides details about all the "abuse" that occurred in those 3 months. So far we've gotten more details on the investigation than the actual accusations.

It’s not really that odd. He’s daring Hamada because he doesn’t believe Hamada or anyone else has a case to stand on regarding his general claims. Seems he may have signed something regarding this investigation that prevents him from revealing details about whatever happened in 2017 on set while this investigation is ongoing. So for that, he can be sued.

 

[KalvinEllis]

It’s not really that odd. He’s daring Hamada because he doesn’t believe Hamada or anyone else has a case to stand on regarding his general claims. Seems he may have signed something regarding this investigation that prevents him from revealing details about whatever happened in 2017 on set while this investigation is ongoing. So for that, he can be sued.

Do you think Ray is getting a bit too confident. This isn't the 1st time he dares people he accuses to sue him. This is still a huge movie studio he's dealing with.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Do you think Ray is getting a bit too confident. This isn't the 1st time he dares people he accuses to sue him. This is still a huge movie studio he's dealing with.

If Ray is telling the truth, then I see no reason to worry. All they can really threaten him with is his career, but Ray doesn't seem to care about that. So what do they really have over him?

 

[KalvinEllis]

I'm just thinking he shouldn't underestimate them regardless of how well he thinks he's got his bases covered.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I'm just thinking he shouldn't underestimate them regardless of how well he thinks he's got his bases covered.

Maybe, but he seems to keep setting them up and they keep falling for it. And now he's not alone with WB's biggest face backing the allegations.

 

[KalvinEllis]

The Frosty thing so far has been the only bigger public blow to WB and that was only because Momoa ended up speaking out. Can Ray prove they announced Ben's return earlier than planned to divert attention from him. It seems that way, but the question is can he actually prove it. I watched his latest video in its entirety and he once again brought up the investigator telling him he was actually hired by WB. I questioned this before and still don't quite understand it, what kind of investigator who wants to deceive Fisher about being an unbiased 3rd party investigator, would purposely blow his own cover like that. The point being there are some holes in Ray's arguments that WB could easily try to use against him in the future.

 

[Da-Scribe]

The Frosty thing so far has been the only bigger public blow to WB and that was only because Momoa ended up speaking out. Can Ray prove they announced Ben's return earlier than planned to divert attention from him. It seems that way, but the question is can he actually prove it. I watched his latest video in its entirety and he once again brought up the investigator telling him he was actually hired by WB. I questioned this before and still don't quite understand it, what kind of investigator who wants to deceive Fisher about being an unbiased 3rd party investigator, would purposely blow his own cover like that. The point being there are some holes in Ray's arguments that WB could easily try to use against him in the future.

I'm not sure an investigator can just lie about who they are in California. I only did a cursory search of it all so excuse potential errors here, but seems that would fall under pretexting and that's illegal in certain scenarios, federally and in California.

The biggest example I could find was that you can't acquire telephone records through fraud or deceit. Ray has alleged he's been called by named individuals. Should an investigator want to look at those phone records then they wouldn't be able to lie about who they are without violating state and federal law.

 

[MbJ]

“Justice League” star Ray Fisher went on his Twitter attack against director Joss Whedon in June after he was offered a small cameo role in the upcoming DC Comics movie “The Flash,” TheWrap has learned.

The film, which is aiming to begin production next year with Ezra Miller as the title character and Michael Keaton and Ben Affleck both returning as versions of Batman, is set to include a small role for Fisher as the genetically enhanced superhero Cyborg.

According to two insiders with knowledge of the situation, Warner Bros. has not heard back from Fisher’s team since offering the small role back in June — and plans for a standalone “Cyborg” movie have stalled.

A rep for Fisher sidestepped multiple questions about “The Flash” offer in terms of timing, size and the state of negotiations. “Mr. Fisher is, and has been, under contract with WB Pictures since 2014,” Fisher’s team at Paradigm Agency and Management 360 said in a statement. “Per the terms of that pre-negotiated contract, the option to include Mr. Fisher as the character of Victor Stone (aka Cyborg) has always rested in the hands in WB Pictures.” Actors cast in superhero roles typically sign on for multiple films and have option clauses to cameo in other superhero movies.