Realistically, when can we expect another FF film?

[The Whizzer]

Like everyone here, I've been following the fall-out from this production and the blame game currently going on between Fox and Trank. Fox announced that they still plan to go ahead with the sequel, which will almost certainly not happen because they'd be stuck continuing on in the universe that Trank created for this film.

There are so many different factors involved, but it's clear that Fox wants to hold onto the property. So my thinking is, can they even realistically do a reboot of this franchise soon enough to hang onto the rights? The FF brand had already been in the toilet due to the previous two films, and after this one becoming a historic flop, I have a hard time thinking that the average movie goer will want to even see a reboot, let alone line up for a sequel.

So in either case, whether Marvel gets it back or Fox makes another go at it, when's the earliest you think we can realistically get another FF film?

 

[Drz]

It's either going to be a cross-over with X-Men property or hopefully this time they have a proper plan before the rights are about to revert.

If for example Wolverine 3 is Old Man Logan, they can already start seeding Fantastic Four elements like Dr. Doom and maybe using the Thing and so on.

 

[Zarex]

It's either going to be a cross-over with X-Men property or hopefully this time they have a proper plan before the rights are about to revert.

If for example Wolverine 3 is Old Man Logan, they can already start seeding Fantastic Four elements like Dr. Doom and maybe using the Thing and so on.

Even if FOX could merge their two distinct licensing agreements into one ginormous mega-contract without Marvel's consent - and I highly doubt they can - why would FOX infect their successful X-Men series with the franchise that set a new low in the golden age of comicbook movies?

FOX and the FF are a toxic combination and no amount of wishing is going to make this crossover happen. This silly, potentially lawsuit inducing crossover is as likely as it was for FFINO scoring 90% or higher on RT and being a BO success.

 

[Drz]

Because "this new low in a golden age of comic book movies" came from the fact the movie released in theaters is a clear proof the movie has 2 different visions cut into 1 movie. As long as FOX hires a director and let him/her do the job and not make a studio-vision in mid production, the end product shouldn't be a boring and bland missed opportunity.

Fantastic Four isn't like Terminator Genisys where the studio made the movie 100%, you can see the start was the director's vision but then it becomes this generic superhero movie after a time jump.

And I don't think we really need to have another topic to debate the legal stuff, we've had excellent posts from both sides of the argument, let's just wait and see is it possible or not by learning more about upcoming FOX movies.

 

[Eddie]

The first cut was terrible, Trank told the actors when to blink, at least one crew member has anonymously come forward to say the entire production was a mess, and, believe it or not, Trank's mythical unicorn of a film was already a Frankenstein's monster of a script when he signed on.

 

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

In phase 4.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

They might merge it with the New Mutants so it won't affect the main storyline of Xmen. In any case it isn't making that 2017 date.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Because "this new low in a golden age of comic book movies" came from the fact the movie released in theaters is a clear proof the movie has 2 different visions cut into 1 movie. As long as FOX hires a director and let him/her do the job and not make a studio-vision in mid production, the end product shouldn't be a boring and bland missed opportunity.

Fantastic Four isn't like Terminator Genisys where the studio made the movie 100%, you can see the start was the director's vision but then it becomes this generic superhero movie after a time jump.

And I don't think we really need to have another topic to debate the legal stuff, we've had excellent posts from both sides of the argument, let's just wait and see is it possible or not by learning more about upcoming FOX movies.

Guess you haven't been keeping up with all the stuff that came to light. There's literally no excuses left for this movie anymore. It was gonna suck with or without fox's help.

 

[Drz]

They might merge it with the New Mutants so I won't affect the main storyline of Xmen.

I would like to see Josh Boone's take on ReedxSue for sure.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

You know - I think I might be disappointed if Fox doesn't stick to that 2017 release date for Fantastic Four 2. I think I'm beginning to enjoy watching Fox hemorrhage money on their rights grab almost as much as I'd probably enjoy seeing the Fantastic Four join the MCU. Almost.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Yes please merge it with New Mutants. Same cast and everything. That will only help accelerate the collapse of the Fox-Men empire further.

 

[VictorDomashev]

In 2020

Fant4stic: 2 - The Quest For Shorts

The Thing teams up with Liam Neeson. To get his brand new pair of shorts back from Doom. How is Doom back you ask ? Because the Doom in the first movie was a Doom Bot & Doom Lives. Mean while Johnny helps Sue come up with a catch phrase. After a dramatic scene of Ben telling them the origins of his catch phrase. In a coming of age tale of Catch Phrases & Shorts. The Fant4stic returns

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I would like to see Josh Boone's take on ReedxSue for sure.

Why? I know nothing about this dude.

Realistically though. What director would be crazy enough to touch this franchise now unless it's at Marvel?

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Whatever future the Fantastic Four franchise has it's not at Fox. There will be no sequel. There will be no reboot. There will be no crossover with the X-Men.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

2022 or 23 would be what I expect, regardless of what studio is making it. Fox because they would lose the rights if they don't. Marvel because they'd want them introduced to their larger universe.

In a perfect world it would be more like 20 years so there would be a new generation of young people that haven't been tainted by the filth that is the previous films.

 

[JKKS085]

Wether or not Marvel can revive the Spider-Man brand is going to be key for the future of the FF franchise. If Spider-Man 2017 is another half-failure/half-success (wether it's critically or at the box office or both) ala TASM/TASM2 then they are probably going to it to relaunch the franchise for even if they get it back before the rights expire for whatever reason (or use the franchise in other medias like they did with Daredevil on Netflix).
Fox isn't going to touch the franchise with a 10-foot pole for the next 6 years or so. They are not going to do crossovers (they probably can't anyways) and the only thing I can see them trying is maybe introduce FF vilains or secondary characters in the X-Men franchise IF they can get an extension of the rights that way (which is up in the air as well). Their last option (if anyone there is still willing to green-light something called Fantastic Four) might be to put another reboot in production in 2022 with a 50M-ish budget an unknown cast, few visual effects, just to retain the rights, recoup their costs and maybe relaunch the franchise with a low profil film (if it can manage a good critical reception).
In any case if Fox decides to hold on to the right we won't get another film before 2022/2023. If Marvel gets the FF back, I feel like they are going to wait anyways, and maybe we can hope for a film at the end of phase 4/early phase 5 which is pretty much in the same ballpark.

So I guess, realistically nothing before 2022/2023.

 

[VictorDomashev]

Wether or not Marvel can revive the Spider-Man brand is going to be key for the future of the FF franchise. If Spider-Man 2017 is another half-failure/half-success (wether it's critically or at the box office or both) ala TASM/TASM2 then they are probably going to it to relaunch the franchise for even if they get it back before the rights expire for whatever reason (or use the franchise in other medias like they did with Daredevil on Netflix).
Fox isn't going to touch the franchise with a 10-foot pole for the next 6 years or so. They are not going to do crossovers (they probably can't anyways) and the only thing I can see them trying is maybe introduce FF vilains or secondary characters in the X-Men franchise IF they can get an extension of the rights that way (which is up in the air as well). Their last option (if anyone there is still willing to green-light something called Fantastic Four) might be to put another reboot in production in 2022 with a 50M-ish budget an unknown cast, few visual effects, just to retain the rights, recoup their costs and maybe relaunch the franchise with a low profil film (if it can manage a good critical reception).
In any case if Fox decides to hold on to the right we won't get another film before 2022/2023. If Marvel gets the FF back, I feel like they are going to wait anyways, and maybe we can hope for a film at the end of phase 4/early phase 5 which is pretty much in the same ballpark.

So I guess, realistically nothing before 2022/2023.

Technically if Fox wants a movie out by 2023. Production would have to start at least two years or less before that

 

[Zarex]

2022 or 23 would be what I expect, regardless of what studio is making it. Fox because they would lose the rights if they don't. Marvel because they'd want them introduced to their larger universe.

In a perfect world it would be more like 20 years so there would be a new generation of young people that haven't been tainted by the filth that is the previous films.

Marvel's The FF - 2020
Directed by Peyton Reed

1960s setting, Cold War, Political Intrigue, Latverian Dictator Doom, Peggy Carter, Howard Stark, Hank Pym, Janet Van Dyne. Change the brand, the tone, the time period, the style, and incorporate MCU fan favorites into the film. I think it can work.

 

[JKKS085]

Technically if Fox wants a movie out by 2023. Production would have to start at least two years or less before that

I thought they needed to release or put a film in production every 7 years. But I might be wrong.
However Fox is also known for rushed production schedules. IIRC X-Men First Class started shooting in August 2010 for a June 2011 release. And the same happened with the first two X-Men films.

 

[VictorDomashev]

I thought they needed to release or put a film in production every 7 years. But I might be wrong.
However Fox is also known for rushed production schedules. IIRC X-Men First Class started shooting in August 2010 for a June 2011 release. And the same happened with the first two X-Men films.

They do but consider HOW MUCH TIME it takes to make a movie. Fox needs a director / writer by 2017 / 2018. If they reboot they need a new cast. If this cast refuses to come back. They need a new cast. Time will run out for Fox here

 

[JKKS085]

They do but consider HOW MUCH TIME it takes to make a movie. Fox needs a director / writer by 2017 / 2018. If they reboot they need a new cast. If this cast refuses to come back. They need a new cast. Time will run out for Fox here

Trust me I do know how long it takes to make a movie. I know that it's a variable mostly depending on the size of the production and I also recall Fox's track record on the matter. If they go for a low budget/low profile reboot to minimize the risk they don't need to start 4 or 5 years in advance. Hell they didn't even take that time for that reboot. Even for Batman Begins, Nolan was hired just two years before the film's release, which in this case would mean we should get a director in 2021 at the earliest.

 

[starscream22]

Enough with the crossover nonsense!

As bad as this current film was shaping up wouldn't it have made sense for Fox to add a few X-men cameo's in it if they really could w/o Marvel's permission?

All Fox seems to do is talk about it. Yet there wasn't even a mention of X-men in the film.

Why....?

Duh, because they can't!

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

2027.

 

[starscream22]

Yes please merge it with New Mutants. Same cast and everything. That will only help accelerate the collapse of the Fox-Men empire further.

Well when you put it that way....LOL!

 

[Zarex]

Trust me I do know how long it takes to make a movie. I know that it's a variable mostly depending on the size of the production and I also recall Fox's track record on the matter. If they go for a low budget/low profile reboot to minimize the risk they don't need to start 4 or 5 years in advance. Hell they didn't even take that time for that reboot. Even for Batman Begins, Nolan was hired just two years before the film's release, which in this case would mean we should get a director in 2021 at the earliest.

They just put the low budget/low profile reboot into theaters. It didn't do so well.