Reason to be nervous about rigged election

[Spider-Bite]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15532745/

This article is seriously worth your time. I do not trust the elections at all. It would be quite easy to rig this election.

On a side note, I remember a couple weeks ago Bush said he was positive republicans would keep the house, and this was when dems were winning in the polls by 15% and winning in the vast majority of individual races too.

I'm seriously worried and outraged too!

 

[The Amazing Lee]

Bush will win.

 

[chaseter]

The electoral process is good and bad. It is bad because they can choose differently than what the people choose. But then it is good because if everyone voted for Bugs Bunny, then well they wouldn't allow it. It's a double sided sword.

 

[Strange]

For some reason I read the title of this thread wrong and now I have nothing to say.....

 

[Dwarf lord]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15532745/

This article is seriously worth your time. I do not trust the elections at all. It would be quite easy to rig this election.

On a side note, I remember a couple weeks ago Bush said he was positive republicans would keep the house, and this was when dems were winning in the polls by 15% and winning in the vast majority of individual races too.

I'm seriously worried and outraged too!

Do you think he'd say he's negative? His job right now is to rally the republicans together. Not tell everyone it's a lost cause.

 

[The Amazing Lee]

For some reason I read the title of this thread wrong and now I have nothing to say.....

reasons to be nervous about a rigged erection?

 

[Mr Sparkle]

reasons to be nervous about a rigged erection?

he probably read "rugged erection"

 

[maxwell's demon]

the election process we have in place is about 150 years or 6 million people out of date, whichever came first.

The only answer is to do away with anonymous voting entirely.
everyone votes publically, via the internet, and the results are simultaneously delivered to both parties as well as a number of public institions, and available to any american who ants to view them.

Then everyone can double check everyone elses votes. There will be no 'election night decision' hoopla, instead a process of weeks wherein the results are verified by all parties involved.

but i highly doubt anyone would ever go with that (though i dont REALLY see what the probelm would be). it's not like we're giving away reams of immensely personal info when we vote. (unless people truly believe that ALL they are is "a member of a political party").

Take the emphasis off party identification and back on the actual issue, i say. Party shouldn't matter so much.

 

[souloffire]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15532745/

This article is seriously worth your time. I do not trust the elections at all. It would be quite easy to rig this election.

On a side note, I remember a couple weeks ago Bush said he was positive republicans would keep the house, and this was when dems were winning in the polls by 15% and winning in the vast majority of individual races too.

I'm seriously worried and outraged too!

I guess it's time to get the excuses ready in case the Dems don't take control of the house.

 

[Deuce]

You know what would be great? Why not just have a giant wheel with all the candidate's names on it...then have just some random person spin it.

Be like, "Hey, yo, random dude with the Abercrombie shirt, yeah come over here..."

And have like Bob Barker host the thing, and then as whoever's selected have confetti fall from the ceiling, and then they're like, "and John Doe has been selected as the next president of the United States!!!"

All the while Regis Philbin does a wacky dance and Tom Cruise runs around cutting heads off of chickens screaming, "I love Katie! I love Katie!"

 

[maxwell's demon]

i'd like to live in that world.

 

[chaseter]

You know what would be great? Why not just have a giant wheel with all the candidate's names on it...then have just some random person spin it.

Be like, "Hey, yo, random dude with the Abercrombie shirt, yeah come over here..."

And have like Bob Barker host the thing, and then as whoever's selected have confetti fall from the ceiling, and then they're like, "and John Doe has been selected as the next president of the United States!!!"

All the while Regis Philbin does a wacky dance and Tom Cruise runs around cutting heads off of chickens screaming, "I love Katie! I love Katie!"

Sounds like it could work...but Bob Barker is retiring

 

[maxwell's demon]

that means he'll have more time to devote to democracy :americanflag:

 

[jaguarr]

After watching "Hacking Democracy" on HBO the other night, I've complete lost faith in the legitimacy of our election process. It's been hacked and controlled seven ways to Sunday thanks to electronic voting machines.

jag

 

[maxwell's demon]

boingboing had a link to a story about a way to defeat evm's a few weeks back, and it's totally luddite:


everyone just vote by absentee ballots.

 

[jaguarr]

boingboing had a link to a story about a way to defeat evm's a few weeks back, and it's totally luddite:


everyone just vote by absentee ballots.

Depends on how the absentee ballots are collected and tallied. If they're tallied by the same data cards and central software as the rest of the ballots in the end, then it's pointless.

jag

 

[maxwell's demon]

at least there's a paper ballot in the voters hand. but i agree, which is why i say the only way, right now, is to do away with anonymous voting altogether.

 

[jaguarr]

at least there's a paper ballot in the voters hand. but i agree, which is why i say the only way, right now, is to do away with anonymous voting altogether.

Not being able to vote anonymously would really open people up for retalitaion, extortion or other attacks for not voting the way certain "interest groups" might want them to. Really, the only way to correct the current issues is to go back to the paper ballot system we were using just prior to the advent of electronic voting machines.

jag

 

[maxwell's demon]

From my mind, people are already open to such attacks.
We already give away far more personal information, including that of a political nature, every day (i.e. just by our websurfing habits alone). And we stand nothing to gain, politically, from any of these habits. At least in voting we'd be getting something back, and be working to abolish the power structures that allow for the agents of extortion to prosper.

The truth is that no system, when applied to a population this size, is going to be immune to corruption. I'd be fine with with the paper system, but even there we wouldnt have 100% accountability.

 

[jaguarr]

From my mind, people are already open to such attacks.
We already give away far more personal information, including that of a political nature, every day (i.e. just by our websurfing habits alone). And we stand nothing to gain, politically, from any of these habits. At least in voting we'd be getting something back, and be working to abolish the power structures that allow for the agents of exotrtion to prosper.

The truth is that no system, when applied to a population this size, is going to be immune to corruption. I'd be fine with with the paper system, but even there we wouldnt have 100% accountability.

I don't disagree. It's just FAR too easy to manipulate the polls with the EVM's in use.

jag

 

[maxwell's demon]

well of course!

 

[War Lord]

Are you democrats already conceding the election?

You guys give up so easily.

 

[maxwell's demon]

no we aren't. we're trying to protect the intergrity of all parties for years to come by ensuring an accurate accounting process.

are you saying you DONT want that?


besides- i'm a liberservative

 

[jaguarr]

Jonty doesn't care about Democracy.

jag

 

[Addendum]

I don't care about Canada. Their beer sucks.