Reboot haters, you need to watch Rome.

[SpandexFan]

Ray Stevenson is a bad arse. Watch Rome Season 1 if you don't believe me. I didn't think Thomas Jane was that bad, but I probably would have waited for the sequel to reach DVD before watching it if they had continued the storyline and actors from the first movie.

Stevenson is 1) a much better actor than Jane, and 2) a much more believable tough guy. Watch Rome Season 1 and you'll see what I mean. He's the kind of actor who wouldn't even need to buff up to be believable as a tough guy. He's naturally big, and has a ironman side to him that Jane never had. Jane tried to be the brooding prettyboy, Stevenson is going to bring the ruggedness to Punisher that exists in the Max series.

 

[Colossus24]

There are a ton of reasons to be pessimistic about the reboot, casting Ray as Frank is one of the only bright spots.

 

[Punisher 04]

There are a ton of reasons to be pessimistic about the reboot, casting Ray as Frank is one of the only bright spots.

I disagree, so far so good. After Jane left they re-worked the script for the better, got a terrific actor that fits the role, and a Oscar nominated director. It's set in New York, it's going to be rated R, Jigsaw is in it, and it's going to be darker and have a lot more action than the '04. There's haters and whiners for everything on the internet, we can't change that. Marvel and Lionsgate wouldn't be wasting their time and money if they thought they weren't going to make a better Punisher movie. By the way THIRTEEEEEEEEN!!!

 

[citizenpain]

yeah, there's plenty of reasons to be excited about the new punisher. the script has been fixed and we have a better director and a better actor. oh yess, stevenson is definitely badass. when you look at him and his resume he seems far more appropriate for frank castle than that dude from the sweetest thing... and as far as being pessimistic goes, see my signature for how i feel bout that.

 

[Brendan]

I'm loving Ray Stevenson (Rome is amazing), I'm loving Lexi Alexander (She is a director who knows what she is doing), but some of the script details still bother me. Mainly the sound of there being a police element at the end of the film, and then of course there is Micro and this other character Dante. I think if anything, why not make Dante Micro's son?

I really hope Lexi Alexander makes this movie her own and doesn't get too tied down by the script.

 

[TromaFreak64]

There is a lot of reason for concern.... the first script they were going with was HORRIBLE. One of the worst things I ever read. This script while different seems to have keep a lot of those elements like Ceaser and Jigsaw and his brother. A lot of stuff must have been changed to have a much larger police element. Now we have Soap and Micro??? WTF??? Castle is gonna have a whole team at this rate helping him out.

There is other stuff, the plot seems like a mixed back of some random subplots that seem hit or miss.

Despite all of this, I keep hope and remain optimistic. We don't really know enough to judge and I haven't seen this new script. I mean the complicated plot where everything doesn't involve the Punisher kind of exits me, here's to hoping they pull it all off.

 

[citizenpain]

the first script was hansleigh's and kurt sutter re-wrote the whole thing. it's true that some of the stuff from it was kept, but obviously it's only the good stuff. i'm sure we won't be seeing the punisher battlin it out in k-mart. and even if the script is lacking, great actors and a great director can always turn a mediocre script into a great film.

 

[TromaFreak64]

the first script was hansleigh's and kurt sutter re-wrote the whole thing. it's true that some of the stuff from it was kept, but obviously it's only the good stuff. i'm sure we won't be seeing the punisher battlin it out in k-mart. and even if the script is lacking, great actors and a great director can always turn a mediocre script into a great film.

Certainly... I actually like some of the subplots that have been mentioned and it seems like the film could return Punisher back to the shadows where he belongs, however by adding Microchip, I have my doubts.

 

[X-Punisher]

Ray Stevenson is a bad arse. Watch Rome Season 1 if you don't believe me. I didn't think Thomas Jane was that bad, but I probably would have waited for the sequel to reach DVD before watching it if they had continued the storyline and actors from the first movie.

Stevenson is 1) a much better actor than Jane, and 2) a much more believable tough guy. Watch Rome Season 1 and you'll see what I mean. He's the kind of actor who wouldn't even need to buff up to be believable as a tough guy. He's naturally big, and has a ironman side to him that Jane never had. Jane tried to be the brooding prettyboy, Stevenson is going to bring the ruggedness to Punisher that exists in the Max series.

I don't have a problem with Stevenson playing Frank. I did at first I admit, but I ajusted and I'm okay with that. Jane isn't a great actor, he's a good actor. I thought he played Frank Castle very well and he was very into the role you know? he did his own stunts. But when i heard it waas a reboot, i was pissed off, because the '04 version was great and it's only been 3 years so the reboot sounds (and is) rediculous.

 

[Punisher 04]

I don't have a problem with Stevenson playing Frank. I did at first I admit, but I ajusted and I'm okay with that. Jane isn't a great actor, he's a good actor. I thought he played Frank Castle very well and he was very into the role you know? he did his own stunts. But when i heard it waas a reboot, i was pissed off, because the '04 version was great and it's only been 3 years so the reboot sounds (and is) rediculous.

Actually they're starting War Zone years after the 2004 Punisher. We won't know for sure how they'll handle the Tom Jane one (most likely they'll just ignore it and move on) but it's not a redo. Frank Castle is still dead and the Punisher has been kicking ass for years who now faces the mob and Jigsaw which allows War Zone to skip a lot of set up blah blah blah and concentrate on the action.

 

[X-Punisher]

Actually they're starting War Zone years after the 2004 Punisher. We won't know for sure how they'll handle the Tom Jane one (most likely they'll just ignore it and move on) but it's not a redo. Frank Castle is still dead and the Punisher has been kicking ass for years who now faces the mob and Jigsaw which allows War Zone to skip a lot of set up blah blah blah and concentrate on the action.

Well they'd probally skip through the blah blah blah in the sequal weither Jane was in it or not (which is why they are doing this 'reboot'). I really do think they should acknowledge the '04 version by atleast mentioning that his family was whiped out in Peurto Rico by the Saint Family, or something. I mean, that's all they would have to do to make me atleast somewhat happy, it would atleast give me the allusion of the continuety of the last film.

 

[Kritish]

I could care less what HBO series he starred in, the film's stilling going to be a Janeless remake. Even the pre-Nolan Batman franchise had the dignity to stay in
chronological order.

 

[antmanx68]

Dignity? I'd say bad judement. Is the world better off having the Batman Franchise limp along in all its crappiness? To me, there should have been a re-start after Batman Forever, it was just overdue. Jane's Punisher sequel would have been along the same lines as the first one. It would have been more of the same, with probably less appeal because the novelty of the character and origin wore off.

And I dont think calling this re-boot "Janeless" is a bad thing when they have cast an actor who is way better for the role on paper.

 

[Brendan]

I could care less what HBO series he starred in, the film's stilling going to be a Janeless remake. Even the pre-Nolan Batman franchise had the dignity to stay in
chronological order.

And look what that got them.

 

[Kritish]

And look what that got them.

The difference is that the Batman franchise was crap from the beginning because it got a suck ass director (Burton). The Punisher was directed Hensleigh, you couldn't have asked for a better director.

 

[antmanx68]

I would probably describe Hansleigh's Punisher as crap. I think despite all its problems Batman 89 was more entertaining.

 

[ObakeTora]

I would probably describe Hansleigh's Punisher as crap. I think despite all its problems Batman 89 was more entertaining.

But Heinsleigh has never directed a film before Punisher was his first film. Still why couldn't we have gotten a better director?

 

[citizenpain]

The difference is that the Batman franchise was crap from the beginning because it got a suck ass director (Burton). The Punisher was directed Hensleigh, you couldn't have asked for a better director.

are you saying that hensleigh is a better director than burton? nooo way dude. burton may have had some flops but he's also directed plenty of great films. c'mon... beetlejuice, ed wood, big fish, sleepy hollow, edward scissorhands, and i thought his batman was great as well. returns wasn't as good, but it was still better than what followed it, up until begins of course. wtf has hensleigh done besides the punisher?

 

[Brendan]

The difference is that the Batman franchise was crap from the beginning because it got a suck ass director (Burton). The Punisher was directed Hensleigh, you couldn't have asked for a better director.

Tim Burton has a lot of potential to be a good director. I don't really like him either and don't always agree with him but he has talent as a filmmaker, he knows what he is doing when he makes his films, and has a distinct visual style that audiences recognize as his work.

Even Joel Schumacher has made good films outside of the Batman series.

Hensleigh did a pretty good job for a first time director but he still has a while before he discovers what his style as a filmmaker is and also has a lot of potential ahead of him.

It took like 19 or 20 films before John Woo established himself as the greatest action director of all time.

 

[Kritish]

are you saying that hensleigh is a better director than burton? nooo way dude. burton may have had some flops but he's also directed plenty of great films. c'mon... beetlejuice, ed wood, big fish, sleepy hollow, edward scissorhands, and i thought his batman was great as well. returns wasn't as good, but it was still better than what followed it, up until begins of course. wtf has hensleigh done besides the punisher?

I've never been impressed with Burton's work. He just might be the most overrated director in modern history. All of the "great films" you've mentioned are at least what I consider to be crap.

What has Hensleigh done? Oh I don't know...

• Armageddon
• Jumanji
• Die Hard With A Vengeance
• Gone in Sixty Seconds

• Con Air

The difference Hensleigh has some diversity somewhere in him. Burton doesn't.

 

[Costa]

I've never been impressed with Burton's work. He just might be the most overrated director in modern history. All of the "great films" you've mentioned are at least what I consider to be crap.

What has Hensleigh done? Oh I don't know...

• Armageddon
• Jumanji
• Die Hard With A Vengeance
• Gone in Sixty Seconds

• Con Air

The difference Hensleigh has some diversity somewhere in him. Burton doesn't.

Hensleigh wrote these movies, not direct them, and those movie are not all that good exept Die Hard With A Vengeance. Jumanji ok, but the rest are not that good to me.

 

[Brendan]

I've never been impressed with Burton's work. He just might be the most overrated director in modern history. All of the "great films" you've mentioned are at least what I consider to be crap.

What has Hensleigh done? Oh I don't know...

• Armageddon
• Jumanji
• Die Hard With A Vengeance
• Gone in Sixty Seconds

• Con Air

The difference Hensleigh has some diversity somewhere in him. Burton doesn't.

Dude, Writing skills and directing skills are two very different talents. You've confused me of which talent we're comparing the two on.

Burton doesn't even write any of his own films.

 

[TromaFreak64]

The difference is that the Batman franchise was crap from the beginning because it got a suck ass director (Burton). The Punisher was directed Hensleigh, you couldn't have asked for a better director.

But this was his firs film, how could we have not gotten a better director?? I mean he's written some great action films, etc. but directing... maybe you are confusing the two.

 

[citizenpain]

I've never been impressed with Burton's work. He just might be the most overrated director in modern history. All of the "great films" you've mentioned are at least what I consider to be crap.

What has Hensleigh done? Oh I don't know...

• Armageddon
• Jumanji
• Die Hard With A Vengeance
• Gone in Sixty Seconds

• Con Air

The difference Hensleigh has some diversity somewhere in him. Burton doesn't.

i love how you broke out the bullet points for that list of movies that hensleigh didn't even direct. and if you wanna compare burton and hansleigh on their overall involvement in film, than burton wins again.

 

[The NZ Natural]

Reboot? Redux? Overhaul? Who cares?

I don't tend to go with any of these phrases. The way I look at it, comic book movies follow in the footsteps of the comic books that they come from. You have a writer and an artist with their interpretation of Frank for however many story arcs, then the team changes, and all of a sudden you have a different person's take on Frank, and he looks slightly different now cos there's a new artist drawing him and he looks older/younger/bigger/smaller/skull looks dumb/skull looks cooler . . . whatever.

Punisher, Incredible Hulk . . . way I see it, it's just a new writer and artist coming onboard to tell their 6 issues worth of story. Maybe they'll stay on for a bit more, maybe they won't . . . but that's all it is, really.