The Dark Knight Recycling Villains - How do you feel about it?

[rohitiyer]

Batman is so far (other than the Hulk), the only franchise to have a reboot so quickly after the last run. That's one of the reasons that having villains who've already featured in the previous Bat-movies kinda gets to me.

Don't get me wrong - I loved Batman Begins and I'm really, REALLY loving what I've seen of TDK. But what about how the general public would see it? It's possible that a lot of people will still be thinking of Jack Nicholson when the movie comes out and wonder, "The Joker and Two-face? Didn't they already do those guys?" And considering that Batman probably has the coolest rogues gallery, it might have been possible to have looked at others.

That's what I liked about BB - I'd never seen Ra's or Scarecrow on screen. But now we're gonna definitely have Joker and Two-face again. Then there's speculation about the Riddler, Penguin and Catwoman in the third installment as possibilities.

I don't know why, but it does kinda bother me.

In fact, I've always wondered why comic-book movies don't utilize their platform to say show us a new villain and this goes for most franchises. I think it'd be kinda cool to announce a new villain who we know nothing about and it would be interesting to see how the hype for that would build up.

Opinions?

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

Batman 89, Returns, Forever, And Batman And Robin
dont exist in us Batman Begin Fans mind

its a different series...and different feel as in the films momentum and stuff

 

[Dvhyzs]

To me its just like a different comic to the other movies.

Giving the "artist" their own standpoint and version of characters.

 

[sasquatchs]

The only 2 characters from the previous films I'd seriously compare would be Joker and Catwoman. Joker has so many permutations, but I'm worried how Catwoman might work next to Bale's Batman, and I've never really seen that kind of thing from Nolan.

 

[fcrowelle06]

yeah, I know what you mean, seriously I want a grittier origin based presentation of Bane as a serious mexican-based foe, A story on the Ventriloquist, and Killer Croc, and even a better Ivy (at least more grounded)

 

[Two-Face]

How do I feel about it? I feel super cos Harvey Dent/Two-Face is getting great treatment and done right way unlike Batman 89 and Batman Forever.

Joker - he's biggest Batman villain there is and I like what Nolan is doing and getting live-action since 1989.

 

[fcrowelle06]

oh yeah, my bid would be Christina Ricci for Catwoman, all Nolan has to do is use her origin which is realistic enough, I think it'd be cooler than a 4 story fall in which you don't die and then are bitten by tons of cats and transformed....

 

[Two-Face]

oh yeah, my bid would be Christina Ricci for Catwoman, all Nolan has to do is use her origin which is realistic enough, I think it'd be cooler than a 4 story fall in which you don't die and then are bitten by tons of cats and transformed....

Oh no.

 

[rohitiyer]

The other thing with Catwoman is that we also have that stain of a movie (the Halle Berry one) still in the back of our heads. I mean some things shouldn't be revamped.

Especially, Michelle Pfeifer in a leather suit. MEOW.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I think that it's fine for villains to be re-used in these films, so long as Nolan is able to do something original with them rather than retreading their roles in the earlier films.

 

[Two-Face]

The other thing with Catwoman is that we also have that stain of a movie (the Halle Berry one) still in the back of our heads. I mean some things shouldn't be revamped.

Especially, Michelle Pfeifer in a leather suit. MEOW.

You know, I forgotten about CINO til you reminded me.

 

[rory_bat]

Batman 89, Returns, Forever, And Batman And Robin
dont exist in us Batman Begin Fans mind

its a different series...and different feel as in the films momentum and stuff

Amen to that

 

[turtlefocker]

It dosent bother me especially when looking at the Joker. Jack's Joker and Ledger's Joker are as different as night and day.


Jack Napier:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VShHbr3vkzg

 

[rory_bat]

I do hope Nolan tries to incorporate Clayface. The Animated Series proved how amazing his story can be...

 

[DV8]

Two-Face is not going to be 'recycled' . . . this will be Two-Face as he was meant to be, and in a big way so will Joker . . . Jack was great, don't get me wrong, but the character was not as true to the comics as he could have been . . . and he totally over-shadowed Batman . . .

 

[rohitiyer]

But tell me something honestly. I mean think back to when you first heard about a new Batman movie? Didn't any of you think to yourselves "Too soon!"

I did. Of course, I was proven wrong.

Still, at the end of the movie, I was kind of edgy, "Uh... Joker... ahem-- too soon"

I'm sure they'll do a great job. But sometimes it almost feels like there's something to prove. I really wouldn't mind seeing new content. We know Batman, we know Gordon, we know TLH and TKJ we know all these characters inside out and that's why we're discussing them.

How about something totally new?

 

[Two-Face]

Two-Face is not going to be 'recycled' . . . this will be Two-Face as he was meant to be, and in a big way so will Joker . . . Jack was great, don't get me wrong, but the character was not as true to the comics as he could have been . . . and he totally over-shadowed Batman . . .

Some say should've call it Joker Begins.t: I still like Batman 89 even tho Harvey three scene in it.

 

[breyfogle_rules]

When I was 12, B89 ruined my life.
I may finally be vindicated with TDK.
You will not tarnish this with your half cocked musings.
I take umbrage.
Great umbrage.

 

[wikum]

I feel that recycling villains can only be good for the enviroment.

 

[fcrowelle06]

Clayface...original anyone?

 

[Dvhyzs]

Its not recylcling...its restoration in most cases.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I think that it's fine for villains to be re-used in these films, so long as Nolan is able to do something original with them rather than retreading their roles in the earlier films.

Completely agree. And as long as they don't team up the same exact way either.

I think I'd blow a gasket of anyone ever has Freeze, Ivy, and Bane team up again. I'd love to see all three of them put on screen correctly, but not together again!

This film our highlight villains seem to be Joker and Two Face. That sounds great to me, but if Joker had been Riddler and he teamed with Face again, that would have been a bad idea.

 

[fcrowelle06]

I still don't know the idiot who approved Catwoman: THe Movie...."Hey...wanna have a Catwoman movie without Batman in at her start..." ......(smack)....(stab)...(bang in the face with shotgun)...(get Christopher Walken to push him out of 5-story where he gets bitten by cats...but dies from the pain)

 

[rohitiyer]

Its not recylcling...its restoration in most cases.

CLARIFICATION: By recycling, I simply mean having the same villains again. I don't mean "revamping" them or whatever.

 

[Hole Shot]

It's going to be 19 years since B89. The target demographic for Summer Blockbusters weren't even alive then and don't share our obsession.