Right wingers are more generous than left wingers.

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But I knew that already. It's easier being generous with other people's money than one's own.

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/204/story_20419_1.html

Philanthropy Expert: Conservatives Are More Generous
By Frank Brieaddy
Religion News Service

SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- Syracuse University professor Arthur C. Brooks is about to become the darling of the religious right in America -- and it's making him nervous.

The child of academics, raised in a liberal household and educated in the liberal arts, Brooks has written a book that concludes religious conservatives donate far more money than secular liberals to all sorts of charitable activities, irrespective of income.

In the book, he cites extensive data analysis to demonstrate that values advocated by conservatives -- from church attendance and two-parent families to the Protestant work ethic and a distaste for government-funded social services -- make conservatives more generous than liberals.

The book, titled "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism" (Basic Books, $26), is due for release Nov. 24.

When it comes to helping the needy, Brooks writes: "For too long, liberals have been claiming they are the most virtuous members of American society. Although they usually give less to charity, they have nevertheless lambasted conservatives for their callousness in the face of social injustice."

For the record, Brooks, 42, has been registered in the past as a Democrat, then a Republican, but now lists himself as independent, explaining, "I have no comfortable political home."

Since 2003 he has been director of nonprofit studies for Syracuse University's Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs.

Outside professional circles, he's best known for his regular op-ed columns in The Wall Street Journal (13 over the past 18 months) on topics that stray a bit from his philanthropy expertise.

One noted that people who drink alcohol moderately are more successful and charitable than those who don't (like him). Another observed that liberals are having fewer babies than conservatives, which will reduce liberals' impact on politics over time because children generally mimic their parents.

Brooks is a behavioral economist by training who researches the relationship between what people do -- aside from their paid work -- why they do it, and its economic impact.

He's a number cruncher who relied primarily on 10 databases assembled over the past decade, mostly from scientific surveys. The data are adjusted for variables such as age, gender, race and income to draw fine-point conclusions.

His Wall Street Journal pieces are researched, but a little light.

His book, he says, is carefully documented to withstand the scrutiny of other academics, which he said he encourages.

The book's basic findings are that conservatives who practice religion, live in traditional nuclear families and reject the notion that the government should engage in income redistribution are the most generous Americans, by any measure.

Conversely, secular liberals who believe fervently in government entitlement programs give far less to charity. They want everyone's tax dollars to support charitable causes and are reluctant to write checks to those causes, even when governments don't provide them with enough money.

Such an attitude, he writes, not only shortchanges the nonprofits but also diminishes the positive fallout of giving, including personal health, wealth and happiness for the donor and overall economic growth.
All of this, he said, he backs up with statistical analysis.

"These are not the sort of conclusions I ever thought I would reach when I started looking at charitable giving in graduate school, 10 years ago," he writes in the introduction. "I have to admit I probably would have hated what I have to say in this book."

Still, he says it forcefully, pointing out that liberals give less than conservatives in every way imaginable, including volunteer hours and donated blood.

In an interview, Brooks said he recognizes the need for government entitlement programs, such as welfare. But in the book he finds fault with all sorts of government social spending, including entitlements.

Repeatedly he cites and disputes a line from a Ralph Nader speech to the NAACP in 2000: "A society that has more justice is a society that needs less charity."

Harvey Mansfield, professor of government at Harvard University and 2004 recipient of the National Humanities Medal, does not know Brooks personally but has read the book.

"His main finding is quite startling, that the people who talk the most about caring actually fork over the least," he said. "But beyond this finding I thought his analysis was extremely good, especially for an economist. He thinks very well about the reason for this and reflects about politics and morals in a way most economists do their best to avoid."

Brooks says he started the book as an academic treatise, then tightened the documentation and punched up the prose when his colleagues and editor convinced him it would sell better and generate more discussion if he did.

To make his point forcefully, Brooks admits he cut out a lot of qualifying information.

"I know I'm going to get yelled at a lot with this book," he said. "But when you say something big and new, you're going to get yelled at."
 
LOL, Jonty looks around the internet for articles that tell him how awesome he is.
even if they don't mesh with reality.
 
Mr Sparkle said:
LOL, Jonty looks around the internet for articles that tell him how awesome he is.
even if they don't mesh with reality.

LOL, Mr. Sparkle wastes his time heckling a poster, but not debating the topic at hand.

Hyuck!
 
I wonder why right wingers pay the government to rob the poor and give to themselves?

Not to mention the christain charity fund probably derserves 90% of the credit for this, if it's even true, which I doubt it's true.

Since rightwingers took control of America's government, the poverty rate went up, and don't even get me started on the rightwingers in the middle east.
 
Well conservatives are much more likely to report their charity for tax write off's.

Secondly religious people always give more to charity because they want to go to heaven.

That doesn't equal compassion. Nice try though.
 
War Lord said:
LOL, Mr. Sparkle wastes his time heckling a poster, but not debating the topic at hand.

Hyuck!
LOL, there's actually nothing to debate because you actually didn't read your own thread apparently.

Book Writting Guy's article said:
The book's basic findings are that conservatives who practice religion, live in traditional nuclear families and reject the notion that the government should engage in income redistribution are the most generous Americans, by any measure.

Conversely, secular liberals who believe fervently in government entitlement programs give far less to charity. They want everyone's tax dollars to support charitable causes and are reluctant to write checks to those causes, even when governments don't provide them with enough money.
conservatives who practice religion Jonty, and not all conservatives practice religion, infact, conservatives that practice religion very often disagree with your particular political view.

there are also many, many liberals who practice religion, I'm sorry to tell you.
but perhaps this is all lost on you.

also

Book Writting guy's article said:
In an interview, Brooks said he recognizes the need for government entitlement programs, such as welfare. But in the book he finds fault with all sorts of government social spending, including entitlements.
I can see a clear objective coming from this book can you not?
I mean, some conservatives are very quick to use the term "agenda" and I for one could spot this one a mile away covered in crucifixes.

and finally, and most oddly

Jonty's article on how awesome conservatives are said:
To make his point forcefully, Brooks admits he cut out a lot of qualifying information.
do you even know what that means?:cwink:
 
I almost expected this to be about hockey...



Anyway, there are a lot more charities with religious overtones that target churchgoers, whom are more often socially conservative than not.

I'm an agnostic liberal, and my family and I donate a crapload of money to all kinds of charities, including World Vision (a Christian organization). I guess I'm not being a good liberal. :whatever:


ETA: since this article isn't completely clear, i'll qualify it by saying i'm socially and fiscally liberal.
 
blind_fury said:
Well conservatives are much more likely to report their charity for tax write off's.

Secondly religious people always give more to charity because they want to go to heaven.

That doesn't equal compassion. Nice try though.

At least with Christianity, good deeds aren't about going to heaven, it's about helping other people improve their situation.
 
War Lord said:
At least with Christianity, good deeds aren't about going to heaven, it's about helping other people improve their situation.
so is welfare and other asst government handouts.
 
triplefive said:
so is welfare and other asst government handouts.

Government welfare has been shown to be more entrapping than helpful.

Secondly, I was simply responding to Blind Fury's poorly informed opinion as to why charity is necessary within the Christian faith.
 
triplefive said:
so is welfare and other asst government handouts.

regardless of Jonty's half assed and completely untrue response (as both faith based and non-faith based charities have been shown to sometimes be corrupt, misleading and or flat out frauds) thanks for making sense.
nice to see some people out there still do that.
 
Rightwingers have to donate more to charity because they is much social inadequacy and lack of facilities and services available to help the less well-off.
 
War Lord said:
Government welfare has been shown to be more entrapping than helpful.

Secondly, I was simply responding to Blind Fury's poorly informed opinion as to why charity is necessary within the Christian faith.
But one of the guy's problems is that fiscally liberal people don't mind handouts but they don't donate personally to charity.

And supposed "entrapment" arguments aside -- in my political admin class I researched the topic of government handouts and the negative arguments had some valid points, but otherwise not much steam -- supporting these payments, as a liberal, is with the lives and welfare of other people in mind.

And even then I do support individual charities, but any one, or even a group of charities can't support the regular people who are down and out who really need the money. Food bank? Sure. But there's no "housing bank" or anything.
 
triplefive said:
But one of the guy's problems is that fiscally liberal people don't mind handouts but they don't donate personally to charity.

And supposed "entrapment" arguments aside -- in my political admin class I researched the topic of government handouts and the negative arguments had some valid points, but otherwise not much steam -- supporting these payments, as a liberal, is with the lives and welfare of other people in mind.

And even then I do support individual charities, but any one, or even a group of charities can't support the regular people who are down and out who really need the money. Food bank? Sure. But there's no "housing bank" or anything.

I personally prefer charity, because those giving the charity have control as to how its used and therefore is less likely open to abuse. If a charity shows itself to not be using the funds I provide in a way that I don't approve of, I can stop writing a cheque, which I cannot do with a government agency.

And there's nothing stopping anybody from creating any kind of charity that helps people. In fact, there is a form of housing bank, we call it Habitat for Humanity.
 
Yes, I'm familiar with Habitat for Humanity. But it can't supply extensive housing the way that government housing can with its land ownership and cheap contracting capabilities.

I prefer a mix of charity and income redistribution through taxation because government funding doesn't cover all groups, and I don't believe charities are the most effective ways to handle some things.
 
When you've got more money to give, it only makes sense. The rest of us can't afford to be conservative, let alone give away money. We have to put food on the table, not yachts in the water.
 
rdh007 said:
When you've got more money to give, it only makes sense. The rest of us can't afford to be conservative, let alone give away money. We have to put food on the table, not yachts in the water.

So lower taxes = less money?

Kay. :whatever:

Basically if you are conservative, you believe that many of the social programs being run currently by the government should be done by the people. So it would only make sense for Conservatives to donate more to charities.
 
LOL, again....the book is about religious conservatives people, and the author omits a lot of qualifying information by his own admission.

:rolleyes:
this is like that Kelis song, but replace "milkshake" with "political views"
 
War Lord said:
At least with Christianity, good deeds aren't about going to heaven, it's about helping other people improve their situation.
lol!

"if you help the poor, you’re called a saint; if you ask why they’re poor, you’re called a communist."

It's too true.

And yeah religious ppl giving to charity is mostly about getting into Heaven. That's the only reason they do it more. Don't fool yourself.
 
blind_fury said:
lol!

"if you help the poor, you’re called a saint; if you ask why they’re poor, you’re called a communist."

It's too true.

And yeah religious ppl giving to charity is mostly about getting into Heaven. That's the only reason they do it more. Don't fool yourself.

I despise ignorance :(
 
StorminNorman said:
So lower taxes = less money?

Kay. :whatever:

Basically if you are conservative, you believe that many of the social programs being run currently by the government should be done by the people. So it would only make sense for Conservatives to donate more to charities.
No, conservatives are rich. Or are you insinuating that conservatives want lower taxes on the middle class and the poor, too? If so, I respectfully disagree. Conservatives have a history of voting for tax structures that punish work and reward investment. There are, of course, poor conservatives (otherwise known as people who vote against their own self-interest due to attendance at churches that speak in tongues).

I would love to think that charities could take of the social programs run by the government, but they simply can't. I'm certainly not in favor of more welfare, but churches can't put up the bucks for social security, either.
 
It's funny. republicans try to spin it and say that now that the rich aren't forced to give their money to charities and welfare and such and such in the form of tax dollars, it's supposedly helping the economy and even increasing tax revenue.

Now they are also trying to say that they were secretly giving it to simillair causes the whole time.

so how is it causing econmic stimuli and increasing tax revenue? talk about trying to have it both ways.

and I don't even think they got it truthfully either way.
 
Spider-Bite said:
It's funny. republicans try to spin it and say that now that the rich aren't forced to give their money to charities and welfare and such and such in the form of tax dollars, it's supposedly helping the economy and even increasing tax revenue.

Now they are also trying to say that they were secretly giving it to simillair causes the whole time.

so how is it causing econmic stimuli and increasing tax revenue? talk about trying to have it both ways.

and I don't even think they got it truthfully either way.
Since when did taxes count as a charity?
 
blind_fury said:
lol!

"if you help the poor, you’re called a saint; if you ask why they’re poor, you’re called a communist."

It's too true.

And yeah religious ppl giving to charity is mostly about getting into Heaven. That's the only reason they do it more. Don't fool yourself.

not all religous people. that's a stereotype. I don't deny that some do it for that reason, but not all.

as far as i'm concerned donating money to democrats is charity. and their funding comes from middle and lower class people, where as the republican's money comes from really rich people who don't even notice it.
 

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