Riots in Milwaukee after Police Shoot Suspect.

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I don't know the races of the people involved, but this seems like a time when these sort of actions don't correlate with the situation.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/vi...lwaukee/ar-BBvB5zd?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

MILWAUKEE — A standoff between police and an angry crowd turned violent Saturday night in the hours after a Milwaukee police officer shot and killed an armed suspect during a foot chase.

More than 100 people gathered near the scene on the city’s north side and at times pushed against a line of 20 to 30 officers, some of whom were in riot gear.

At one point, the officers got in their cars to leave, and some in the crowd started smashing the windows of a squad car and another vehicle, which was set on fire. As officers returned to the scene, this time many more in riot gear, gunshots could be heard about 8:45 p.m. CT.

Soon thereafter, the crowd turned on and attacked reporters and a photographer from the Journal Sentinel.

The police were trying unsuccessfully to disperse the crowd. But appeared to pull back.

The violence erupted not long after a woman who identified herself as a family member of the dead man implored the people to leave the scene.

"We don't want anyone else to go to jail or get hurt," she told the crowd.

Some left but many stayed as tensions built.

The shooting occurred Saturday afternoon.

City police officials said two officers stopped two suspects in a car at about 3:30 p.m. The suspects then took off on foot. During the pursuit, a six-year veteran of the department shot and killed a 23-year-old Milwaukee resident, who was carrying a semiautomatic handgun, police said.

The officer was not hurt.

Shortly after the shooting, Milwaukee Police Assistant Chief Bill Jessup said at the scene that it wasn't immediately clear whether the suspect pointed the gun or shot at the officer.

"Those additional facts will come out in the coming days," Jessup said.

City police officials have not interviewed the officer, Jessup said. That responsibility will fall to the Wisconsin Department of Criminal Investigation, which is required by state law to take over officer-involved shooting investigations.

"That officer had to make a split-second decision when the person confronted him with a handgun," Jessup said. "This is a risk they take every day on behalf of our community."

Jessup said he didn't immediately know why the officers stopped the suspects.

Police said the suspect had a "lengthy arrest record," though the specific crimes were not detailed. The suspect was carrying a handgun taken in a March burglary in Waukesha. The owner reported that 500 rounds of ammunition also were stolen.

The officer is 24 and will be placed on administrative duty during the investigation and subsequent review by the district attorney's office.

The second suspect who fled on foot, also a 23-year-old man, was apprehended and is in custody, Jessup said.

The shooting occurred about one block northwest of the scene of a Friday evening homicide, and about four blocks west of a Saturday morning double homicide. Five people died in shooting-related homicides during a nine-hour stretch in the city on Friday night and Saturday morning.

"As everyone knows, this was a very, very violent 24 hours in the city of Milwaukee," Jessup said. "Our officers are out here taking risks on behalf of the community and making split-second decisions."

Nefataria Gordon said she knew the man who had been killed by the officer. "He was a nice good person. He was really respected. That's why everyone came out. They're angry."

MY reason for saying the above is this: "Police said the suspect had a "lengthy arrest record," though the specific crimes were not detailed. The suspect was carrying a handgun taken in a March burglary in Waukesha. The owner reported that 500 rounds of ammunition also were stolen."

Now I know people who go to prison aren't inherently bad people, and can do good things, and the guy probably didn't deserve to die, but a lot of this clearly seems like the suspect was in the wrong. It doesn't really say why they were running, besides probably trying to be arrested for being suspected in previous crimes, but the evidence does add up that they were in the wrong.

So why the outrage this time? Again, guy probably didn't deserve to die, but the rioting in this case seems less like a call to action and more of an excuse to riot in general. We do have a lot of problems in certain places regarding how the police force operates, but it isn't cause for every situation now to paint the police as the villains.
 
The property destruction never made sense. Seems like a way to turn people against you rather than persuade voters to affect meaningful change.
 
I don't know the races of the people involved, but this seems like a time when these sort of actions don't correlate with the situation.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/vi...lwaukee/ar-BBvB5zd?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp



MY reason for saying the above is this: "Police said the suspect had a "lengthy arrest record," though the specific crimes were not detailed. The suspect was carrying a handgun taken in a March burglary in Waukesha. The owner reported that 500 rounds of ammunition also were stolen."

Now I know people who go to prison aren't inherently bad people, and can do good things, and the guy probably didn't deserve to die, but a lot of this clearly seems like the suspect was in the wrong. It doesn't really say why they were running, besides probably trying to be arrested for being suspected in previous crimes, but the evidence does add up that they were in the wrong.

So why the outrage this time? Again, guy probably didn't deserve to die, but the rioting in this case seems less like a call to action and more of an excuse to riot in general. We do have a lot of problems in certain places regarding how the police force operates, but it isn't cause for every situation now to paint the police as the villains.
It sounds like they're rioting because they were told the police shot an unarmed suspect, which is not the case. So it seems that someone used misinformation to help justify a riot for young kids and adults.
 
I don't know the races of the people involved, but this seems like a time when these sort of actions don't correlate with the situation.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/vi...lwaukee/ar-BBvB5zd?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp



MY reason for saying the above is this: "Police said the suspect had a "lengthy arrest record," though the specific crimes were not detailed. The suspect was carrying a handgun taken in a March burglary in Waukesha. The owner reported that 500 rounds of ammunition also were stolen."

Now I know people who go to prison aren't inherently bad people, and can do good things, and the guy probably didn't deserve to die, but a lot of this clearly seems like the suspect was in the wrong. It doesn't really say why they were running, besides probably trying to be arrested for being suspected in previous crimes, but the evidence does add up that they were in the wrong.

So why the outrage this time? Again, guy probably didn't deserve to die, but the rioting in this case seems less like a call to action and more of an excuse to riot in general. We do have a lot of problems in certain places regarding how the police force operates, but it isn't cause for every situation now to paint the police as the villains.

Things like this never happen because of ONE single incident. There's usually an incident that ends up being the "last straw" then after the fact you find out the people of that specific community were being abused and oppressed for years.

EVERY, SINGLE, TIME, this happens there's an investigation afterwards by the DOJ that show just how discriminatory and oppressive the local governments and police departs are to black communities.

Look at Ferguson and Baltimore...When the uprisings there happened people also said "Why do this?", "This doesn't help your cause", "They just looking for an excuse to loot & riot". Then the Department of Justice reports come out a couple years later and the findings make you wonder why things didn't explode much sooner.

In Ferguson the police department had been harassing and ticketing black people as a means of generating revenue. It had been going on for years, nobody believed the people, and nobody payed attention. Mike Brown was killed and it was the last straw for people and they took to the streets.

In Baltimore there was a culture of abuse and oppression that resulted in an environment that was similar to the south during Jim Crow. People were illegally stopped, strip searched in public, beaten, harassed, intimidated, black people weren't even allowed to stand in groups in certain parts of town. The killing of Freddie Gray was the last straw for people and they took to the streets.

I'm sure that a year from now we'll find out that there are significant problems with how Milwaukee treat local black communities.
 
Things like this never happen because of ONE single incident. There's usually an incident that ends up being the "last straw" then after the fact you find out the people of that specific community were being abused and oppressed for years.

EVERY, SINGLE, TIME, this happens there's an investigation afterwards by the DOJ that show just how discriminatory and oppressive the local governments and police departs are to black communities.

Look at Ferguson and Baltimore...When the uprisings there happened people also said "Why do this?", "This doesn't help your cause", "They just looking for an excuse to loot & riot". Then the Department of Justice reports come out a couple years later and the findings make you wonder why things didn't explode much sooner.

In Ferguson the police department had been harassing and ticketing black people as a means of generating revenue. It had been going on for years, nobody believed the people, and nobody payed attention. Mike Brown was killed and it was the last straw for people and they took to the streets.

In Baltimore there was a culture of abuse and oppression that resulted in an environment that was similar to the south during Jim Crow. People were illegally stopped, strip searched in public, beaten, harassed, intimidated, black people weren't even allowed to stand in groups in certain parts of town. The killing of Freddie Gray was the last straw for people and they took to the streets.

I'm sure that a year from now we'll find out that there are significant problems with how Milwaukee treat local black communities.

Well it was mentioned in the article that in the same area there were 2 murders, with 7 dead as a result, in 9 hours, that happened very recently. No mention of police but always potential that there was some conflict from these.
 
Well it was mentioned in the article that in the same area there were 2 murders, with 7 dead as a result, in 9 hours, that happened very recently. No mention of police but always potential that there was some conflict from these.

The mention of that in the article was by the officers, mostly as an explanation for why they would shoot a suspect.

Thing like this don't happen because of a one are few incidents in a day or two. It's usually because of years of police misconduct.

I grew up in L.A. in the 90's. When the riots there happened people focused on it being about the Rodney King verdict when in reality it was because of years of abuse by the LAPD. The community as a whole just kind of snapped after a number of people walked after beating or killing black people over minor offenses.
 
Friday: 5 people murdered in Milwaukee. Nobody cares.

Saturday: Armed suspect with stolen gun refuses orders to drop it, cop shoots him. Another violent protest.
 
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/vi...lwaukee/ar-BBvB5zd?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

MILWAUKEE — A standoff between police and an angry crowd turned violent Saturday night in the hours after a Milwaukee police officer shot and killed an armed suspect during a foot chase.
After an hours-long confrontation with officers, police reported at 10:15 p.m. CT*that a gas station was set on fire. Police said firefighters could not get close to the blaze because of gunshots.
Later, fires were started at businesses —*including a BMO Harris Bank branch, a beauty supply company and O'Reilly Auto Parts stores —*near N. 35th and W. Burleigh streets as scores of people gathered near the crime scene on the city's north side, a grim and emphatic*Mayor Tom Barrett said at a news conference.*
The mayor and Common Council President Ashanti Hamilton pleaded with the public for calm, and Barrett said there would be a strong police presence in the following days.
"Our police officers are doing everything they can to restore order," he said.*

"If you love your son, if you love your*daughter, text them, call them, pull them by their ears," he added. "Get them home."

Police had "shown an amazing amount of restraint," Barrett said. Some at the scene took to social media earlier Saturday night to encourage others, many of them young people, to come out and participate in what the mayor described as trouble-making. He urged parents to keep tight reins on their children to avoid a repeat of Saturday night.
Hamilton said, "Our city is in turmoil tonight."* He promised a full and open investigation into the*police-involved shooting.

"When we get information, we are going to share it with the public, please allow the process to work," he said.Turmoil erupts

Assistant Police Chief James Harpole said at least 200 people*had gathered at the uprising. He said there were multiple gunshots over the course of the evening.
When the gas station was set ablaze, there were three people in the building and all got out safely, he said.*
At times, those gathered pushed against a line of 20 to 30 officers, some of whom wore riot gear. Officers got in their cars to leave at one point, and some in the crowd started smashing the windows of a squad car and another vehicle, which was set on fire. As officers returned to the scene, this time many more in riot gear, gunshots could be heard about 8:45 p.m
The shots appeared to be fired in the air by someone in the crowd.

Soon after, the crowd turned on and chased*reporters and a photographer from the Journal Sentinel. One reporter was shoved to the ground and punched.
Police later tweeted that an officer was hit in the head with a brick that was thrown through a squad car window. Police said the officer was being treated at a hospital.
The violence erupted not long after a woman who identified herself as a family member of the dead man implored the people to leave the scene.

"We don't want anyone else to go to jail or get hurt," she told the crowd.

Some left but many stayed as tensions built. Around 12:30 a.m. CT, Barrett said the north side of the city was starting to calm down.
A footchase, then gunshots

The shooting occurred Saturday afternoon.

City police officials said two officers stopped two suspects in a car at about 3:30 p.m. The suspects then took off on foot. During the pursuit, a six-year veteran of the department shot and killed a 23-year-old Milwaukee resident, who was carrying a semiautomatic handgun, police said.
The officer was not hurt.
Shortly after the shooting, Milwaukee Police Assistant Chief Bill Jessup said at the scene that it wasn't immediately clear whether the suspect pointed the gun or shot at the officer.
"Those additional facts will come out in the coming days," Jessup said.
City police officials have not interviewed the officer, Jessup said. That responsibility will fall to the Wisconsin Department of Criminal Investigation, which is required by state law to take over officer-involved shooting investigations.

"That officer had to make a split-second decision when the person confronted him with a handgun," Jessup said. "This is a risk they take every day on behalf of our community."
Jessup said he didn't immediately know why the officers stopped the suspects.

Police said the suspect had a "lengthy arrest record," though the specific crimes were not detailed. The suspect was carrying a handgun taken in a March burglary in Waukesha. The owner reported that 500 rounds of ammunition also were stolen.
The officer is 24 and will be placed on administrative duty during the investigation and subsequent review by the district attorney's office.
The second suspect who fled on foot, also a 23-year-old man, was apprehended and is in custody, Jessup said.
Police shooting tops off violent weekend
The shooting occurred about one block northwest of the scene of a Friday evening homicide, and about four blocks west of a Saturday morning double homicide. Five people died in shooting-related homicides during a nine-hour stretch in the city on Friday night and Saturday morning.

"As everyone knows, this was a very, very violent 24 hours in the city of Milwaukee," Jessup said. "Our officers are out here taking risks on behalf of the community and making split-second decisions."
Nefataria Gordon said she knew the man who had been killed by the officer. "He was a nice good person. He was really respected. That's why everyone came out. They're angry."

The clash comes after a series of tense episodes in Milwaukee involving residents and police, including one just before the Fourth of July weekend near Sherman Park.
In early July, a group of several dozen young people threw rocks and bottles, damaging windows of a gas station and a county transit bus near Sherman Park. Law enforcement beefed up their presence for*several days there. Some*activists said it was an intimidating presence. At the same time,*the incidents also led to a surge in residents and local leaders promoting positive activity there.
 
Friday: 5 people murdered in Milwaukee. Nobody cares.

Saturday: Armed suspect with stolen gun refuses orders to drop it, cop shoots him. Another violent protest.

More like the media didn't care...

I'm sure the people in that community actually cared. Most black communities that have violence also have multiple organizations to curb that violence. they regularly hold protests and do marches to bring attention to those issues....The media just never shows up until said community reaching it's boiling point.

Milwaukee was named the worst place to live for Black American's LAST YEAR. It's the most segregated place in America. It wasn't widely reported by mainstream/national media outlets.
 
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Sounds like the National Guard has been mobilized to maintain the peace.
 
So why the outrage this time? Again, guy probably didn't deserve to die, but the rioting in this case seems less like a call to action and more of an excuse to riot in general. We do have a lot of problems in certain places regarding how the police force operates, but it isn't cause for every situation now to paint the police as the villains.

You just answered your won question. Cops are not supposed to kill people. Just because you run doesn't mean you deserve to die. And it hasn't even been confirmed if the suspect pointed a gun at the cops. We're just going off their word which time and time again it's been proven some cops lie to cover their asses. People are outraged cause that's a family member and someone they cared about. I don't agree with destroying property but I also can't regulate what other people do in response. Remember, this wouldn't be happening if the police did not kill this man.
 
Technically the property destruction wouldn't be happening if the group responsible for this ratings rocket of a show didn't decide to use very real issues as an excuse to ruin someone's livelihood.
 
Idiots being idiots over the shooting of an idiot - headline news.
 
You just answered your won question. Cops are not supposed to kill people. Just because you run doesn't mean you deserve to die. And it hasn't even been confirmed if the suspect pointed a gun at the cops. We're just going off their word which time and time again it's been proven some cops lie to cover their asses. People are outraged cause that's a family member and someone they cared about. I don't agree with destroying property but I also can't regulate what other people do in response. Remember, this wouldn't be happening if the police did not kill this man.
I'm sorry, but I have absolutely no sympathy for the criminal who got shot. He was a person with a long rap sheet that was wanted on burglary and unlawful possession of firearm charges who then ran from the cops with a gun in his hand at night. A person with a complete disregard for basic laws and common sense isn't someone that people should be rioting over. Plus this isn't a case where race played an issue because both the officer and criminal who was killed were black.
 
I'm sorry, but I have absolutely no sympathy for the criminal who got shot. He was a person with a long rap sheet that was wanted on burglary and unlawful possession of firearm charges who then ran from the cops with a gun in his hand at night. A person with a complete disregard for basic laws and common sense isn't someone that people should be rioting over. Plus this isn't a case where race played an issue because both the officer and criminal who was killed were black.

I never said race played a part here/ Neither are the ones rioting. If you look at the interviews someone is upset over the people meant to protect us are killing us. Yes, he had a rap sheet and once again, everyone is justifying his death or shrugging it off only because he had a rap sheet. Not saying he was a model citizen but I don't think the law is "shoot people dead." He's not deserved due process? He wasn't shooting at the cops, if he wanted to I'm sure he would have used his gun instead of running. Just my opinion.
 
I never said race played a part here/ Neither are the ones rioting. If you look at the interviews someone is upset over the people meant to protect us are killing us. Yes, he had a rap sheet and once again, everyone is justifying his death or shrugging it off only because he had a rap sheet. Not saying he was a model citizen but I don't think the law is "shoot people dead." He's not deserved due process? He wasn't shooting at the cops, if he wanted to I'm sure he would have used his gun instead of running. Just my opinion.

And as for his "rap sheet" to my knowledge nobody actually knows what was on it. The police just said he a previous arrest record as if that will somehow justifying shooting and killing him. For all we know his rap sheet might contain a bunch of traffic violations or multiple instances of "loitering".

We also don't know if the officers that stopped and shot the young man knew of his previous arrests.
 
Well, apparently the Cops had their body cams on. So we should have a better idea of what happened. Hopefully this isn't another incident where the body cams "malfunctioned" and they caught everything but the the shooting.
 
While we wait, let's riot. Then, when the results come in, lets disregard them and riot.
 
While we wait, let's riot. Then, when the results come in, lets disregard them and riot.

And I'll say again, the rioting is not because of that ONE incident. We've seen time and time again when this happens that it's because of abuses that have been going on for YEARS.

I can't think of a single instance where it hasn't been found out afterwards that the community was being abused in some way.
 
And I'll say again, the rioting is not because of that ONE incident. We've seen time and time again when this happens that it's because of abuses that have been going on for YEARS.

I can't think of a single instance where it hasn't been found out afterwards that the community was being abused in some way.

Any idea what the gas station and hair salon did for years that made them deserve to be burned to the ground?
 
Any idea what the gas station and hair salon did for years that made them deserve to be burned to the ground?

I'm not saying those places "deserved" to be burned down. I'm just saying these things happen for more reasons that just "One person got shot" or "People just want to tear things down".

You can say the rioting is wrong and still understand the underlying reasons as to why it happens.
 
Criminals with weapons evading police being shot!? Crazy times we be living in man...
 
When you burn down people's businesses and ruin their livelihoods, people who had nothing to do with what you're rioting about, at that point, any justification for your riot flies out the window and you're a hypocrite who's jumping on an excuse to riot and burn and loot and act like the hoodlum you're outraged at being stereotyped as.
 

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