Robert Downey Jr. Is Doom

[Spider-Fan]

If Shakman were doing Doom, I am confident he would have done something cool. The RDJ cosplay as Doom just...doesn't do it for me. Yeah, I don't know the nuts and bolts of the script or how it will play out for sure, but I can tell you that it will take a lot more for this to work for me than basically.... any other casting would have needed to do. Cause now you have to prove to me this idea doesn't suck, and I just don't see that being possible

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Doesn't really take away the fact that doing Doom this way is a terrible idea at its very core. And I can assure you that was not the thought process when this casting decision was made. They brought back RDJ to recuperate some good will among audiences losing interest in the MCU, nothing else. Left to his own devices, I'm sure Matt Shakman would have done Doom justice and actually hired a Romanian actor for once.

So casting an Oscar winning actor, one of the best and most charismatic actors of his generation (an actor who has transformed himself for many roles) as Doom is a "terrible idea at its core"? Okay. Yes you are right. What a terrible idea, casting such mediocre acting talent.

 

[Arachnerd]

...you cannot be this obtuse as to the reasons people have explained to you why his casting doesn't work.

 

[Spider-Fan]

So casting an Oscar winning actor, one of the best and most charismatic actors of his generation (an actor who has transformed himself for many roles) as Doom is a "terrible idea at its core"? Okay. Yes you are right. What a terrible idea, casting such mediocre acting talent.

Strawman argument and you know it. Context is important

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Strawman argument and you know it. Context is important

Context like... seeing actual footage or knowing anything about the plot and the approach before calling it the worst casting choice ever? That type of context?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Context like... seeing actual footage or knowing anything about the plot and the approach before calling it the worst casting choice ever? That type of context?

You know the context. Stop acting like you don't. You know dang well he played Iron Man and the likelihood of tying him to his tenure as the anchor of the MCU is likely. Your argument is purposely in bad faith

 

[Chris B]

I'm not sure how likely this is, but my hope at the moment is that they don't kill Doom off and they use the post-SW soft reboot to do a recast. I'd like to think they'd realize taking the character off the board completely would be a dumb move.

 

[Lily Adler]

...you cannot be this obtuse as to the reasons people have explained to you why his casting doesn't work.

 

[Arachnerd]

I'm not sure how likely this is, but my hope at the moment is that they don't kill Doom off and they use the post-SW soft reboot to do a recast. I'd like to think they'd realize taking the character off the board completely would be a dumb move.

I'm echoing Spider-Fan's long-running thoughts that Doom is going to be a character solely contained to these movies unfortunately.

 

[Chris B]

I'm echoing Spider-Fan's long-running thoughts that Doom is going to be a character solely contained to these movies unfortunately.

You're probably right. They could really use a character like Doom going forward but they haven't instilled any confidence as far as that is concerned.

 

[elgaz]

You know the context. Stop acting like you don't. You know dang well he played Iron Man and the likelihood of tying him to his tenure as the anchor of the MCU is likely. Your argument is purposely in bad faith

I'm holding onto the hope that there's some story angle which is totally integral to the movie and which explains why Doom happens to look like Stark. And I know Chris Evans played both Johny Storm and Captain America yada yada yada so it's not outside the realms of possibility that they could just cast the same actor in a new role, but until the recent multiverse introduction, those 2 characters were in totally separate universes - whereas it's looking like Doom will be interacting with many of the same characters that Stark did, in the same universe. If it turns out that they just brought Downey Jr back to put bums in seats and the fact that Stark and Doom look identical is just glossed over, that will be a pretty cheap ploy by MCU standards.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'm holding onto the hope that there's some story angle which is totally integral to the movie and which explains why Doom happens to look like Stark. And I know Chris Evans played both Johny Storm and Captain America yada yada yada so it's not outside the realms of possibility that they could just cast the same actor in a new role, but until the recent multiverse introduction, those 2 characters were in totally separate universes - whereas it's looking like Doom will be interacting with many of the same characters that Stark did, in the same universe. If it turns out that they just brought Downey Jr back to put bums in seats and the fact that Stark and Doom look identical is just glossed over, that will be a pretty cheap ploy by MCU standards.

Like I said several posts ago, if Doom looking like Stark becomes a gigantic plot point, that's garbage storytelling. Especially for Dr Doom. The guy historically with a burnt face and wears a mask. Anything outside of that for how his face looks is not adapting Dr Doom.

 

[TheVileOne]

This is clearly going to be a very different Doctor Doom from the comics. Just like Thanos was completely different from his comics counterpart.

In the comics, Thanos could give two drens about bringing balance to the universe and making sure resources weren't scarce for everyone.

Now to be fair, I prefer the comic version of Thanos. I miss the obsession with Lady Death. But the version of Thanos they made for the MCU worked for audiences, and audiences ate it up.

 

[Spider-Fan]

They changed Thanos being obsessed with death, but Thanos was a Thanos I could recognize essentially every other way. They didn't make Chris Hemsworth Thanos and potentially revolve the plot around why he looks like Thor. So I don't see this at all the same way. You can make changes to Doom and it could possibly be fine like Thanos. But making him cosplay Iron Man is crap. Changes can be fine, but if your idea is flawed at concept, then it is flawed at concept

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Put it to you like this.

I get that it is a stunt, I know RDJ is going to be RDJ and Doom deserves better, but I trust Feige's vision and I'm trusting that there is a method to his madness.

 

[TheVileOne]

Marvel Studios changes up the characters frequently, so it is what it is.

I thought what happened to Taskmaster in Black Widow was dren.

And frankly, I think how they've used Zemo was dren as well.

 

[TheVileOne]

Put it to you like this.

I get that it is a stunt, I know RDJ is going to be RDJ and Doom deserves better, but I trust Feige's vision and I'm trusting that there is a method to his madness.

I'm just not seeing the vision right now. I see good stuff, sure. But in terms of an overall vision, it feels like they ran out of steam with Endgame. The Multiverse is an annoying crutch, and it felt like a means of beating DC Universe to the punch.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I'm just not seeing the vision right now. I see good stuff, sure. But in terms of an overall vision, it feels like they ran out of steam with Endgame. The Multiverse is an annoying crutch, and it felt like a means of beating DC Universe to the punch.

That's a fair take Vile.

I felt like the Multiverse Saga was aimless, they were just throwing things to the wall to see if it sticks, and honestly I felt two things hindered it: the fact that Sony pressured them for a multiverse Spidey movie, and that they weren't sure how to integrate the formerly Fox properties either.

Then the whole Kang situation, the dryspell, I'm thinking Feige turned to his RDJ good luck charm just to bow out of this saga gracefully.

I'm trusting him to see where it goes though.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Marvel Studios changes up the characters frequently, so it is what it is.

I thought what happened to Taskmaster in Black Widow was dren.

And frankly, I think how they've used Zemo was dren as well.

Yeah but Taskmaster isn't Dr Doom.

 

[elgaz]

Like I said several posts ago, if Doom looking like Stark becomes a gigantic plot point, that's garbage storytelling. Especially for Dr Doom. The guy historically with a burnt face and wears a mask. Anything outside of that for how his face looks is not adapting Dr Doom.

Yeah I saw your posts, but I get the feeling this won't be 100% accurate comic book Dr Doom. It wouldn't be the first time MCU has made some changes to key characters and/or their backgrounds, even though they're (generally) fairly aesthetically accurate for the most part.

I just find it hard to buy that they're brought back such a high profile actor as Downey Jr - probably the MCU's most high profile actor - as another character without there being some plot device why that's the case. Especially announcing it only 5yrs after he vacated the previous role.

 

[Chris B]

That's a fair take Vile.

I felt like the Multiverse Saga was aimless, they were just throwing things to the wall to see if it sticks, and honestly I felt two things hindered it: the fact that Sony pressured them for a multiverse Spidey movie, and that they weren't sure how to integrate the formerly Fox properties either.

Then the whole Kang situation, the dryspell, I'm thinking Feige turned to his RDJ good luck charm just to bow out of this saga gracefully.

I'm trusting him to see where it goes though.

Looking back, its kind of ironic how Boseman's passing kind of portended the MCU's current troubles. If he were still alive and they had handled Captain Marvel better, I feel like the franchise would be in a much better place.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah but Taskmaster isn't Dr Doom.

Thanos is also not Dr. Doom but that speaks of how Marvel Studios will significantly alter the characters and character relationship dynamics to suit their stories.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah I saw your posts, but I get the feeling this won't be 100% accurate comic book Dr Doom. It wouldn't be the first time MCU has made some changes to key characters and/or their backgrounds, even though they're (generally) fairly aesthetically accurate for the most part.

I just find it hard to buy that they're brought back such a high profile actor as Downey Jr - probably the MCU's most high profile actor - as another character without there being some plot device why that's the case. Especially announcing it only 5yrs after he vacated the previous role.

Comic book Doom or not, it's just dumb to hinge the plot on RDJ's face. Conceptually, it is just dumb

 

[Spider-Fan]

Thanos is also not Dr. Doom but that speaks of how Marvel Studios will significantly alter the characters and character relationship dynamics to suit their stories.

But Thanos wasn't altered to a point of being unrecognizable like your argument about Taskmaster or other characters. He just didn't focus on Death. Which yes, is a significant change, but he was otherwise recognizably Thanos

 

[Punisher_MAX]

I think this Multiverse crap is kind of annoying tbh. I thought it would've been cool, but it works better in the comics. That and I really don't think it was planned out well.