RoboCop Reboot - Part 5

[chintai80]

Yeah I love Michael Keaton so even if the movie disappoints, he'll be fun to watch.

Does anyone else feel the original ROBOCOP has the best scene of a heroes first day/nite on the job? I just love when he leaves the station and goes on patrol for the first time.

yup, and when the robocop theme starts playing, it's so good. it's heroic, epic, yet there's a sense of tragedy to it too.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Yeah I love Michael Keaton so even if the movie disappoints, he'll be fun to watch.

Does anyone else feel the original ROBOCOP has the best scene of a heroes first day/nite on the job? I just love when he leaves the station and goes on patrol for the first time.

Him nailing the rapist-to-be in the crotch with his gun is one of the most satisfying moments in a movie ever to me.

I'd donate my brain to a real RoboCop program if I could just go around dispensing such justice.

 

[chintai80]

yea that is one of the best scenes. and when robocop says "Madam you have suffered an emotional shock..." its hilarious.

and check this out:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/robots-replace-troops-battlefield-111500084.html

http://www.popsci.com/article/techn...e-fourth-us-combat-soldiers-2030-says-general

^DoD is talking about replacing troops with robots in the foreseeable future. robocop becoming reality as we speak.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I just watched the 4k Blu-ray of Robocop for the last time this weekend. Hiding it away until way after I see the new one. It's gonna be hard not to compare as it stands but I really want to give it a chance and not go in closed minded.

But, damn, it's such a near perfect movie

 

[TWayneP]

I just watched the 4k Blu-ray of Robocop for the last time this weekend. Hiding it away until way after I see the new one. It's gonna be hard not to compare as it stands but I really want to give it a chance and not go in closed minded.

But, damn, it's such a near perfect movie

I say its good to compare. I think thats one of the cool reasons behind the reboot actually. The reboot takes place in a world where this technology actually exists. back in 87 it was just imagination at its best. It will be great to compare and contrast the world, politics, characters and tech behind all the differing man vs machine drama that is in both movies.

I think the reboot will be a perfect companion piece. The 87 Robocop gives its vision from the 80s and the new Robocop represents modern filmmaking. Its just better to go in knowing it won't ever touch the original, I wouldn't expect some masterful work like the 87 film, but I think it will be good.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

yup, and when the robocop theme starts playing, it's so good. it's heroic, epic, yet there's a sense of tragedy to it too.

When that theme 1st kicks its such good stuff, you get giddy even though he is just sitting in a car driving it at 1st.

 

[TheBeastWithin]

I say its good to compare. I think thats one of the cool reasons behind the reboot actually. The reboot takes place in a world where this technology actually exists. back in 87 it was just imagination at its best. It will be great to compare and contrast the world, politics, characters and tech behind all the differing man vs machine drama that is in both movies.

I think the reboot will be a perfect companion piece. The 87 Robocop gives its vision from the 80s and the new Robocop represents modern filmmaking. Its just better to go in knowing it won't ever touch the original, I wouldn't expect some masterful work like the 87 film, but I think it will be good.

That is exactly where I think the starting point for this reboot began according to all the interviews I've read with director and cast. We're on the verge of all this being a reality and some of it is already, particularly with drones. The official Robocop/Omnicorp Facebook pages has cleverly been posting a lot of these real world stories about drones and robotics.

Spot on about this being a companion piece to the OG Robocop. That's why I don't get the visceral hate. Whether this is terrible, mediocre or amazing, it takes nothing away from the movie that made us all fans. We'll always have that. Robocop was a great film and commented very specifically about the time it was made. I have maybe unrealistically high hopes that that is what this one can be to a degree. A very pointed commentary about all the social, political, and philosophical issues of our time now, wrapped around a truly badass concept of a Frankenstein's monster type of superheroesque character.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Thank crap we dodged that bullet.

No JUST that bullet. We also averted seeing DJ Corona as Superman and Army Hammer as Batman. I can't even imagine how awful that would have been. I still can't believe it almost happened.

 

[chintai80]

No JUST that bullet. We also averted seeing DJ Corona as Superman and Army Hammer as Batman. I can't even imagine how awful that would have been. I still can't believe it almost happened.

WB came to their senses?
I wonder what was the real inside story behind that.

 

[Rowsdower!]

WB came to their senses?
I wonder what was the real inside story behind that.

I heard that the project pissed off Nolan because he was working on TDK at the time and didn't want two different actors playing Batman at the same time.

Whatever the reason, I'm glad it got canned.

 

[chintai80]

that's good then, don't want a half-a$$ed JLA movie.
but i do look forward to george miller's new mad max movie.

back to Robocop, it's crazy how there's more buzz about war drones lately. seems to coincide with the release of the film.
it makes 87 RC seem prophetic. and makes 2014 RC topical.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, it really does. War drones are one of the most controversial things out there, so this movie (if done well) is very topical.

 

[InJustice]

One of the things I liked about Jose Padilha talking about drones is that he said something along the lines of: "if you take out the humans and have robots or drones fighting in wars, you lose the incentive to stop wars." This could be amazing if executed well.

 

[Rowsdower!]

That is a very interesting point.

 

[chintai80]

one of the news articles about drones was saying the big reason to use drones is ultimately it's cheaper. you don't have to feed and care for a drone as you would for a human soldier. it's already changing the face of warfare.

also, about the movie though, if the law prohibits using a robot domestically, i wonder why omnicorp can't just create a robotic suit and have a human pilot it, like the anime patlabor. then they can make profits from selling mech suits.

why go through all that trouble and risk to create software to interface directly with a human brain? does the movie address this?

is it because their drones are just more efficent?
and their robocop project is to just something to get their foot in the domestic market, then evetually they can sell full non-human drones there down the line?

 

[TheBeastWithin]

One of the things I liked about Jose Padilha talking about drones is that he said something along the lines of: "if you take out the humans and have robots or drones fighting in wars, you lose the incentive to stop wars." This could be amazing if executed well.

Totally. The ideas about all the implications of replacing soldiers and law enforcement with autonomous machines could be huge. You lose the motivation to ever stop a war when you aren't losing soldiers lives. Then there's the accountability factor. If a machine kills an innocent or makes a "mistake" you can't hold the machine accountable. Who do you blame? The company that makes it, the company that supplied the software, etc. This is all what necessitates the Dreyfus Act which outlaws machines to be used in law enforcement in the U.S. which itself creates the idea of Robocop.

 

[InJustice]

one of the news articles about drones was saying the big reason to use drones is ultimately it's cheaper. you don't have to feed and care for a drone as you would for a human soldier. it's already changing the face of warfare.

also, about the movie though, if the law prohibits using a robot domestically, i wonder why omnicorp can't just create a robotic suit and have a human pilot it, like the anime patlabor. then they can make profits from selling mech suits.

Piloting a mech means burning through money to provide training and education for pilots. And at the same time, piloting a mech means that you still have the human element interfering from getting the job done. Furthermore you're still risking lives. I guess OmniCorp is aiming for higher efficiency and lessening the number of human deaths during war/police duties.

why go through all that trouble and risk to create software to interface directly with a human brain? does the movie address this?

is it because their drones are just more efficent?
and their robocop project is to just something to get their foot in the domestic market, then evetually they can sell full non-human drones there down the line?

Actually, there's a clip that deals with the issue of software interfacing with the brain, as well as the other questions that you posed. I'm not sure if I should post it due to potential spoilers.

As for the RoboCop project, Trailer 2 makes it clear that America does not want to use machines for war and law enforcement, whereas machines are already being used in other countries. If anything, the RoboCop project appears to be a front to get OmniCorp to open up the law enforcement machine industry in the States.

 

[chintai80]

Piloting a mech means burning through money to provide training and education for pilots. And at the same time, piloting a mech means that you still have the human element interfering from getting the job done. Furthermore you're still risking lives. I guess OmniCorp is aiming for higher efficiency and lessening the number of human deaths during war/police duties.

ah yea, this makes sense. human pilots still means higher operating costs and less efficiency. which means = less profit for omnicorp.

Actually, there's a clip that deals with the issue of software interfacing with the brain, as well as the other questions that you posed. I'm not sure if I should post it due to potential spoilers.

As for the RoboCop project, Trailer 2 makes it clear that America does not want to use machines for war and law enforcement, whereas machines are already being used in other countries. If anything, the RoboCop project appears to be a front to get OmniCorp to open up the law enforcement machine industry in the States.

that's what makes me think the robocop project is. just a front. something to start america to later change legislation to let drones to be used on domestic soil. omnicorp's ceo really thinking ahead.

 

[Binker]

I heard that the project pissed off Nolan because he was working on TDK at the time and didn't want two different actors playing Batman at the same time.

Whatever the reason, I'm glad it got canned.

Same went with Singer and Routh with SR, which was up in the air if JLM would have the SR Superman before the sequel (before that got canned). So that was one reason.

The other reason was that, the budget was increasing, and this was 2007-2008 when we were having economic concerns, and the writer's strike. When the board of directors came and realized that the film had problems, and the budget was high because of those problems, and it would take more money and time to fix them, they decided to terminate the project.

I still wonder how that movie would've been; I have yet haven't read yet, the script to Justice League: Mortal.

 

[Maboroshi]

I notice that the ED-209s are labelled with "OCP." I thought OmniCorp had replaced OCP.

I'm guessing OmniConsumerProducts is a subdivision of OmniCorp.

Sorry if I'm late to the party.

 

[InJustice]

That is a very interesting point.

The more I listen to Padilha's interviews, the more optimistic I am that this guy understands RoboCop. I especially like when he said something about RoboCop being a philosophical debate between having the will over our actions versus our will being negated and broken down into basically particles doing something, which in turn, makes us to something. Basically free will versus scientific determinism.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

Mostly all black

That sucks. The new suit looks so much better with the classic color scheme.

 

[TWayneP]

I notice that the ED-209s are labelled with "OCP." I thought OmniCorp had replaced OCP.

I'm guessing OmniConsumerProducts is a subdivision of OmniCorp.

Sorry if I'm late to the party.

OCP is the big dog company, Omnicorp is actually the subsidiary. Good eyes hehe.

Yes good ole OCP is in the film.

 

[SpideyZERO]

Just bought my tickets for this Friday's screening, can't wait!

I'm from Malaysia btw

 

[chintai80]

Just bought my tickets for this Friday's screening, can't wait!

I'm from Malaysia btw

i hate you.

just joking. t:
please give us your opinion, after. no spoilers please.