Even though its already been 7 years since The Last Stand, I still cant get over on how badly screwed Cyclops was from the X-Men Franchise. Before the third film was released, I was hopeful that Cyclops would receive a substantial role in the third film due to Logans story being somewhat concluded regarding his past in the Second film, along with how they were going with the Dark Phoenix storyline. I had no idea then on how much they would change things in the final result.
I think it makes it even worse when I watch things like X-Men: Evolution, or even Wolverine and the X-men, where Cyclops was better fleshed out and portrayed in those incarnations, even in the latter one, than he was in the live action franchise.
What ever happened to the guy that told an unconscious Xavier in the first film that he would take and look after the X-Men and everyone else in the school if something should happen to Xavier?
This is why I wanted a reboot for the X-Men franchise when First Class was announced, and especially after I saw it because if they could give Alex Summers in that film a good enough role then imagine what they could have done with Scott, especially in a Wolverine Free team.
Honestly, I dont hate Wolverine. I really like the character, mainly due to how Hugh Jackman portrays him. But I dont like how Scott had to be the scapegoat in order for Wolverine to shine. Cyclops lost his role in the team, his overall significance, and even his woman, to Wolverine.
Cyclops didn't come anywhere close to losing his woman to Wolverine.
She was apprehensive towards him in X-Men, and flat out rejected him in X2. Her emotional arc in X-Men: The Last Stand completely revolved around Cyclops. Just because Logan was in love with her doesn't mean she shared the same feelings for him.
She wasn't really flirting with him. She was even turning him down in that scene as well.
Yea, she wanted to talk about her and him - to reject him and tell him it was never going to happen. That's why Logan changed the subject.
Her reaction to Logan kissing her was walking away. It was clear she didn't return the feelings.
Phoenix was toying with Logan because she could. She could use Logan's attraction to her to her advantage and emotionally toy with him.
Not necessarily if they decide to make a fresh reboot then nothing will have ot match up with the OC, the direction could go any which way. Dont lose hope in Cyclops it can be repaired.Even IF hes included in any first class sequels, its just going to make that much more harder knowing that whatever success he accomplishes in the past, itll be tarnished by what we know happens to him in the future.
There may only be one more first class sequel If there Is anymore.
I don't want them to give up the FC cast, but I'd also like DOFP ending in an alternate present/future where Jean and Scott are alive. Maybe old prof X and old Magneto die and young prof X, young Magneto, Beast and Mystique time travel to this new alternate timeline? But that would be too weird probably.
“The idea – you open up with Alkali Lake but it’s completely barren and dried up and there are these odd reports of strange phenomena going on around the world accompanied by bright lights in the sky.”
“The idea would be that both the X-Men and the Brotherhood realize that essentially a very god-like force had entered their reality and that it was causing disruptions around the world – mutant prisons being decimated. I had pitched an idea about a fleet of cargo ships getting torn apart in the Atlantic and you found out that they were shuttling mutants as slave labor.”
“So basically you found out was that Phoenix was going round the world taking things into her own hands and that she had basically returned as a god, which they did touch upon in X3. She had viewed herself as above the conflict, that she was here to end things on her terms, she was basically sick of the fighting and she was going to take things into her own hands and she didn’t give a s*** what the X-Men or the Brotherhood had to say about it.”
“The one idea that I loved, that I really wanted to do, was that Cyclops would build the Danger Room. Cyclops felt guilty, he felt that because the X-Men were too weak, they weren’t strong enough, they weren’t fast enough, that was the reason Jean died. If they were a little bit better at fighting, then she might still be alive. It was all about this guilt he had about her death and so he built the Danger Room to train them to be better. But in the end it really was about him not being able to let go of her, so that causes all the chaos and disruption in the movie. But in the end it’s about him letting her go.”
“Ultimately she kind of becomes that cosmic force that Phoenix is known to be, she choose to leave Earth and become a god, or at least a higher level of intelligence, and she goes into the cosmos possibly to kick-start life somewhere else… The final scene for me would have been her telling Cyclops or her telling the X-Men ‘I’ll be watching.’ Essentially she becomes a god.”
i honestly think singer won't go the route of cyclops has been alive for 10 years and that he didn't die when Xavier,jean and everyone thought he did
and the clone angle does feel abit like a quick fix, not one i think would be important to a story with nothing to back it up, now if it was wolverine they cloned... maybe it would fit into a movie just because he is wolverine and just that important
i'm still thinking it will be fixed by time travel, after all things have to change otherwise sending logan back in time is pointless, and if you can kill 2 birds with one stone then why not
Cyclops may not be coming back but if he is Singer wouldn't tell us because I think he would want it to be a surprise like the Xavier and Magneto after credit scene in Wolverine.
You know, I actually never thought of the "recovery" scene in that light until now; hmmm, that is a possibility. Honestly, I was under the impression all of this time that the reason why Logan changed the subject was because it was his way of wanting to create a barrier between them since he didn't think that he could be the right guy that she needed, not the other way around, etc.
I guess if anything, what really hurts in conveying the fact that Jean loved Scott only and wasn't plan on going over to Logan was that they didn't have that much screen time with each other to further elaborate on their relationship, mainly in the second film which should have focused more in showing them together and what they meant to each other as opposed to flirting with the idea of seeing Logan go after Jean.
I mean, Jean and Logan have had way more scenes together than Jean has had with Scott.
I honestly wonder at times on what would have happened had Singer stayed on for X3, primarily because it felt like we were going to get something deeper between Jean and Scott after we had that moment where Logan told Scott at the end of X2 that she had picked him (Scott) in the end.
Michael Dougherty who co-wrote X2 said his ideas for Jean as the Dark Phoenix in X3 were this
Dougherty's ideas for Cyclops
Good for you but I think those ideas were better than anything that we got in X3 IMO.I'm actually glad this didn't happen.