The Dark Knight Roven talks TDK

[Stringer]

Posted while the boards were down......

http://superherohype.com/news/featuresnews.php?id=4634

 

[Two-Face]

Not much in it, only confirms Bale is back as Batman/Bruce with Ledger signed on as The Joker that we know.

 

[XCharlieX]

On the contrary..

"We are hoping, depending upon everyone's schedule and other aspects of what it is they want to do with their careers, that we're going to get most if not all of them who are alive back. Meaning "alive in the movie", not really alive… sorry.

Sounds like they wont do the "resurrection for nothing" that comic fans enjoy.

 

[The Batman]

considering no one significant really died in the movie, Two Face is pretty much right. Ra's death is ambiguous at best. And considering that ressurection is apart of the character, in every version, its not for nothing.

but i forget, you're not an actual bat fan. you just like the movies.

 

[Excel]

hes saying ras wont be back

 

[XCharlieX]

considering no one significant really died in the movie, Two Face is pretty much right. Ra's death is ambiguous at best. And considering that ressurection is apart of the character, in every version, its not for nothing.

but i forget, you're not an actual bat fan. you just like the movies.

I am a batman fan. I could easily say you are most definitely a comic fan that puts it above the dignity of how the story is presented and maintains its class, which is not a wise fan i would say. Ras al ghul is likely dead because this crew may not have that weird logic. Comic fans enjoy the ambiguity and using it to drag on an idea until it gets old, but thats not what a film maker as a class act should do so liberally as the comics.

 

[sasquatchs]

What does he mean by a pre-shoot? SFX tests?

 

[XCharlieX]

maybe costume tests i suppose.

 

[Excel]

no, like shots of the area.

i.e. in BEGINS the preshoots were all those shots of the terrain in iceland, such as the pannig up the mountaing, panning over the ice, ect.

 

[XCharlieX]

Oh yeah... thats right.. they scope out the shooting places to make sure they have all they need for successful storyboard transition.

 

[fabman]

i wonder what it'll be for THE DARK KNIGHT...

 

[The Batman]

I am a batman fan. I could easily say you are most definitely a comic fan that puts it above the dignity of how the story is presented and maintains its class, which is not a wise fan i would say. Ras al ghul is likely dead because this crew may not have that weird logic. Comic fans enjoy the ambiguity and using it to drag on an idea until it gets old, but thats not what a film maker as a class act should do so liberally as the comics.

Did Nolan say Ra's was officially dead? Did Roven? No...they did not

 

[The Sage]

hes saying ras wont be back

I'd love to see Ra's return after TDK and its sequel.

 

[XCharlieX]

Did Nolan say Ra's was officially dead? Did Roven? No...they did not

Usually in the olden times when someone died in films and they had no powers of resurrection.. they died and thats how you thought of it...then they got hoaky you see, and the abuse of this is a reason why genre films have problems with respect to this day.

 

[The Batman]

except....ressurection is apart of Ras al Ghul...since you dont know anything about Batman outside the movies, im not surprised. its a little something we call the lazarus pits.

 

[XCharlieX]

except....ressurection is apart of Ras al Ghul...since you dont know anything about Batman outside the movies, im not surprised. its a little something we call the lazarus pits.

And thats translated to the comic book writers excuse to keep a character alive because theyd regret it later when they ran out of things to write about. Movies are not the comics. Theres an end to movie narration (when taken the classic approach to films) Apples. Oranges.

 

[fabman]

ra's won't return in any batman movie, and you can be sure 'bout that!

 

[The Sage]

And thats translated to the comic book writers excuse to keep a character alive because theyd regret it later when they ran out of things to write about. Movies are not the comics. Theres an end to movie narration (when taken the classic approach to films) Apples. Oranges.

Hmm, don't know about that. The BB novelization had it work out real well. You could probably even give a scientific explanation behind the Lazarus Pit's abilities to make it sensible.

 

[The Batman]

And thats translated to the comic book writers excuse to keep a character alive because theyd regret it later when they ran out of things to write about. Movies are not the comics. Theres an end to movie narration (when taken the classic approach to films) Apples. Oranges.

It dosent matter if movies arent the exact same as the comics. when adapting ras al ghul, if they simply want him back, they'll use the lazarus pits. period.

By the way, movie characters like jason, mike myers, and freddy krueger have comic book style ressurrections all the time

 

[XCharlieX]

It dosent matter if movies arent the exact same as the comics. when adapting ras al ghul, if they simply want him back, they'll use the lazarus pits. period.

If they want him back, yes, and it would be a huge mistake since theatricality and deception acounts for all of the supernatural in batman begins. Thats what makes batman special.

By the way, movie characters like jason, mike myers, and freddy krueger have comic book style ressurrections all the time

Im too aware, and what a grand reputation horror has for brilliance. Are you for real? Why do you think im against it? Ive seen the nonsense of hollywood. You learn from nonsense how to get better.

 

[DA Harvey Dent]

Did Nolan say Ra's was officially dead? Did Roven? No...they did not

Doesn't matter. The Ra's storyline was sufficiently wrapped up in BB. IMO, it makes zero sense to bring Ra's back - his purpose was to help bruce wayne overcome his fears and anger and help him channel that into something positive. Ask yourself what purpose would Ra's have on the character of Batman now? nothing. At most, MAYBE taylia may make an appearance, but I doubt it. From a practical standpoint, the lazarus pits can't exist in Nolan's world of realism. Ra's is gone - GAME OVER, DEAL WITH IT!

 

[The Sage]

Doesn't matter. The Ra's storyline was sufficiently wrapped up in BB. IMO, it makes zero sense to bring Ra's back - his purpose was to help bruce wayne overcome his fears and anger and help him channel that into something positive. Ask yourself what purpose would Ra's have on the character of Batman now? nothing. At most, MAYBE taylia may make an appearance, but I doubt it.

Oh I dunno...introduce Talia...Ra's realizes that despite Bruce's defiance, he's still the only one worthy of taking over his empire...Bruce finds out Ra's is alive, and the art of theatricality come back into play as Ra's poses as someone else, Talia's in the mix...some cool stuff you can do.

 

[XCharlieX]

Doesn't matter. The Ra's storyline was sufficiently wrapped up in BB. IMO, it makes zero sense to bring Ra's back - his purpose was to help bruce wayne overcome his fears and anger and help him channel that into something positive. Ask yourself what purpose would Ra's have on the character of Batman now? nothing. At most, MAYBE taylia may make an appearance, but I doubt it. From a practical standpoint, the lazarus pits can't exist in Nolan's world of realism. Ra's is gone - GAME OVER, DEAL WITH IT!

I like this guy.

 

[XCharlieX]

Oh I dunno...introduce Talia...Ra's realizes that despite Bruce's defiance, he's still the only one worthy of taking over his empire...

And that would crap all over batman begins. Disgraceful. Ras realizing bruce is the only one fit? This is jibberish. He ceased being fit when he chose to disobey the leagues orders.. twice after a talk in his house. People like that do NOT go back... the ideals are far too different...youd turn this into a cartoon sir. You disobey, then you get purged with no remorse. Thats movie Al Ghul.

 

[thedarks0ldier]

Has anyone read Slaughter House Five (or) The Children's Crusade? I would love to see a Ra's spin off film that gave the illusion that Ra's was a real person. The tagline could be something like "the greastest warrior the world never knew."
Other then the DC intro in the beginning and a possible cameo by Hex it wouldnt allude at all to being a comic book film. It could be like Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven (yes, i notice the connection), Last Samurai, Tombstone, and (again) La Mes. It could be such a great film.