Sandman Most Pointless Villian in SM3?

[rolston3492]

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If you are going to argue that Venom was the most pointless villian in Spider-Man 3 then do not even bother reading or posting

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I am not speaking in general because i think he's very cool but here's what I'm saying:

Why was he in Spider-Man 3?

It was totally unneccisary for him to be Uncle Ben's Killer, I think Raimi just wanted to add an extra villian into the mix. He didn't need to be in the third installment. That's why alot of people are complaining about the movie: too much stuff is packed in! I somewhat agree with this only because if you are going to have Spider-Man with his black suit and introduce Venom both in the same movie, then give the symbiote it's own movie.

And WTF was up with the black suit? He only fought with it for like 45 minutes and tore it off way too soon.

Half the movie should have been him fighting the New Goblin in the black suit and then we he nearly kills Harry(not slapping MJ) he decides to rip it off of him. Enter Venom.

That is the one main thing I give Sam Raimi props for is how he got the symbiote to merge with Brock, that was perfect.

All in all, I loved Spider-Man 3, I just think they should've given the symbiotes their own movie.

Also I had a problem with the origin of the symbiote: Some random rack falls down from outer space.

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They should have had him be in the black suit during the 2nd film. This way it is one less thing to cramm into SM3. Also it would have made sense with John Jameson and what not(originally John brought back a strange sample from outer space which is the symbiote)

 

[Leenie]

This movie would have been up to the caliber of Spider-Man 2 if they had not used Sandman and Venom in this movie. It should have been about Harry and Peter, and then Peter getting the symbiote. That's ALL the movie needed. The next "trilogy" would have been about Venom and Carnage.

I still really enjoyed Spider-Man 3, and I didn't expect it to beat Spider-Man 2, but the movie could have been AMAZING. Instead, it was just good.

I thought that I just wanted a trilogy. But after seeing Spider-Man 3, I am DYING for a fourth movie. It can't end here. It just can't.

But anyway, back on topic: Sandman was pretty pointless, even though I thought he was okay.

 

[GarzaUK]

Sandman should have been a bad ass villian, there was no point to that sick daughter story. GG2 should have been the villian we sympathised with.
The only reason the uncle ben being killed by sandman was put in was because of the "revenge" theme.
Eddie Brock in SM3, Venom in SM4.

I can't help but feel, that Raimi had a class story about Sandman and GG£, but the inclusion of the symbiote and Venom ruined his story. That's why the movie is so all over the place. The two stories don't mesh together very well.

 

[The Kid]

Agreed.

Sandman was more of an annoying side story than something worthy of our time.

 

[rolston3492]

i expected it to beat Spider-Man2, which it did by a long shot action-wise. SM2 sucked, in my opinion. Peter Parker mopes around for about 65% of the movie.

anyway back to venom/sandman

Sandman didnt need a back story, he didnt need to be in there anyway, even if it was to add to the whole "revenge theme" they could have had a successful film with the black suit 75% of the film and last 25% he fights venom but doesnt kill him

 

[Spiderine]

Sandman says he is not a bad guy. It seems like he is taking a lot more money than he needs for medicine. He is a criminal and should not be allowed to drift off into the sunset free as a bird. He has these powerful sand like powers and will kill if one gets in his way. He knows Spiderman's identity, unacceptable. Where was the lesson there? Its ok to commit crimes and kill as long as its justified. I don't blame Sandman for doing what he felt he had to do, but don't make it sound like he is right and its ok. Its still wrong.

 

[rolston3492]

Sandman says he is not a bad guy. It seems like he is taking a lot more money than he needs for medicine. He is a criminal and should not be allowed to drift off into the sunset free as a bird. He has these powerful sand like powers and will kill if one gets in his way. He knows Spiderman's identity, unacceptable. Where was the lesson there? Its ok to commit crimes and kill as long as its justified. I don't blame Sandman for doing what he felt he had to do, but don't make it sound like he is right and its ok. Its still wrong.

dude thats an AMAZING point, he just let him leave, ok the man killed your uncle and you are letting him runaway, i dont give a f*** if he apologizes it doesnt make right.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

I think Sandman could have been just a one scene villain. Have the movie start with Spidey already in the process of taking him out. I deff thought he was visually stunning tho, so i was glad he was in there. I just had alot of problems with the villain portrayals. I mean i hated the sympathetic Sandman, and they just completely ruined Venom.

 

[Visionary]

I would say Venom was the most pointless villain in SM3.

 

[rolston3492]

I would say Venom was the most pointless villain in SM3.

dont say it, dont do it. i swear i would freak out right now if i wasnt in a good mood.

explain why he was the most pointless?

was it because maybe HE IS ONE OF 3 BEST SPIDEY VILLIANS(Doc Ock and Green Goblin are thrown in there quite nice-like)

was it because EVERYONE I KNOW IS SEEING SM3 FOR VENOM BEING IN IT?

or maybe because there was a high demand for venom to be included in the films

 

[The Kid]

Both were pointless. Just make the whole thing about The wrath of Goblin. We don't need more toys.

I was rolling my eyes when sandman was recounting the night he accidentally killed uncle ben. Why in the blue hell was this needed?

Pointlessly mucks up the chase in the first movie. Now it's all a chase after the wrong guy who just wanted to get away from some creepy super freak.

this defines ******ed

"Sorry for killing your uncle. didn't mean to do it... and um sorry for not immediately taking your uncle to the hospital afterwards and just leaving him there to die. uh... duh ok.."

 

[LordSimen]

I would say Venom was the most pointless villain in SM3.

I loved the movie, but out of all the villians, Venom could have easily been taken out and still gotten the same movie.

 

[Mr. Socko]

For one, his sick daughter story was only in there to make us sympathize for him. It was useless. And making him Ben's killer was SOOO unnecessary.

Sandman: "I'm sorry I killed your uncle and all those innocent people and stole all that money"

Peter: "It's ok..."

*Sandman drifts off into sky*

THE END

Seriously, wtf. And why is Spidey so naive, why did he buy Sandman's pathetic story of recounting the night he killed Ben. For all Spidey knew, he could have been lying just so he would let him go. Wait, who am I to believe? The cops and tons of witnesses, or the man who killed my Uncle?

Here's how it should have went: Sandman is a badass murder who meant to kill Ben(if that had to be in). He's a mass murderer who kills anyone he wants to, a ruthless lowlife thug who does what he wants to. That would have been so much better.

 

[The Kid]

Sandman was like Mongo from Blazing Saddles.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Sandmans storyline was so great and very well put togeather. I mean he's a wanted man who is desperatley looking to help his daughter. one of the emotional scenes in the film is when he sneeks into his wife and daughters apartment. he looked so sad in that scene. The Transformation scene I found phenomenal simply because, how great it was put togeather. the little grains of Sand and the going inside Sandmans body seeing his insides change to Sand, I really think that is a great Comic Book moment right there even though he had to swim from the prison and onto a nuclear test site on the Beach in the Comics. great storyline for Sandman!.

 

[TheFuture]

I think that although he didn't need to be in the film, THC was easily the best actor in the thing, closely followed by Franco and Grace. He brought a one dimensional comic book character to life brilliantly. By the way, The Sandman never said he was a good person literally, but he just wanted Peter to try and understand why he did what he done.

Regarding Venom, the fact Grace did such a good job made me even more disappointed that he wasn't kept for S-M4. Also the most surreal moment was, excluding the action scenes of course, was Venoms voice. Pretty much just using Graces voice just seemed so out of place looking at Venom.

And regarding the film itself, I am indifferent. 3 out of 5 I give it. Why? Just too much and no time to properly develop anything. I agree that Black Suit Spidey was over before you knew it.

 

[sylabdul]

since all villians were not given a fair shot, any of em couldve been taken out...

 

[Visionary]

I loved the movie, but out of all the villians, Venom could have easily been taken out and still gotten the same movie.

Not really, where there's Venom, there's the symbiote. Which means things would have been different with Peter without it. The movie would have taken a different route, perhaps no revenge on Peter's part at all. I've never understood the hate Brock has for Spidey/Peter.

 

[rolston3492]

I loved the movie, but out of all the villians, Venom could have easily been taken out and still gotten the same movie.

No. The is absolutely the only/main reason I saw Spider-Man 3. In all honesty Venom is the best villian.

Think about it:

Spidey's Real Archenemy

It is like Spidey is fighting his exact self all matched up.

Carnage. Dont need to really elaborate on that.

He can never die, it's impossible. think about all the times in the comics when he pretty much seems dead but somehow comes back to life.

For Spider-Man 4:

The Lizard
Venom
Carnage (at the end, we will fit him in there somehow)

Kraven sucks d***. putting that out there

 

[Spiderine]

Sandman should not have gotten away either. He is going to commit a crime as we speak. He needs that money and will stop at nothing to get it. Including murder and Spidey let him go.

 

[Visionary]

Spidey couldn't stop him if he tried.

 

[The Revengers]

Is it just me or did it seem that Sandman only had like 4-5 talking parts?
I mean seriously I think the Matra D said words in the movie than Marko did.
Him just gone with the wind after Peter forgive's him did make him see pretty pointless.
But atleast no villian commited suicide in this movie(oh wait Harry and Brock?). Seriously both goblins getting killed by their own glider. Doc Ock drowing himself. Brock trying to save the symbiote. I guess Raimi couldn't think of a good way for Marko to kill himself.

 

[Spiderine]

Spidey should have dropped him in a batch of concrete when Marko refuses to give up his crime spree. Spidey forgives him for Uncle Ben and then gives him an ultimatum. Stop the crimes get help for the condition or else.

 

[Immortalfire]

Yah, he really was kind of useless. An overplayed character, with an underthought plotline.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

I was half expecting (or waiting) at the end there when he was talking to peter, for him to say, something like
"I am sure there’s a big reward for my capture at this point, promise you'll get the money to my wife, and I'll go back to jail quietly without a fight"

not that I am complaining, that this didn’t happen,(or that i feel is would of been better) it was just where I felt that’s were the scene going, while watching it