Santa Claus, a false idol

[Lunar_Wolf]

First off this thread is directed at people who believe in God. If you want a debate about the existence of God, then take it to another thread. I believe one already exists.

Jolly ol St Nick is admired and adored by kids all over the world. Santa has God like powers, delivering gifts all over the globe in a matter of hours, while gaining access to peoples homes without a problem. Santa even appears God-like fashion(minus the fat).

Ex. 20:5, "Don't worship nor serve them, any of man's created God-like idols or gods,"

The praise of Santa even takes away what Christmas is all about-The birthday of Jesus.

So do people here who believe in God think Santa should be phased out? Because he is false idol

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I don't think the believe in Santa is believing in a false idol as nobody is praising or worshiping him really He's a guy that brings kids presents. It is sad that some Christians think more about the presents than the birth of little baby Jesus.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I don't think the believe in Santa is believing in a false idol as nobody is praising or worshiping him really He's a guy that brings kids presents. It is sad that some Christians think more about the presents than the birth of little baby Jesus.

I agree.

As a non-Christian (though a believer in God) it is sad to see this Christian holiday warped into a completely non-Christian event.

I don't think that Santa Claus is a false idol. He's a character, for fun, just like the Easter Bunny. It's a thing for kids. There's no worship, just fun.

 

[The Apocalypse]

First off this thread is directed at people who believe in God. If you want a debate about the existence of God, then take it to another thread. I believe one already exists.

Jolly ol St Nick is admired and adored by kids all over the world. Santa has God like powers, delivering gifts all over the globe in a matter of hours, while gaining access to peoples homes without a problem. Santa even appears God-like fashion(minus the fat).

Ex. 20:5, "Don't worship nor serve them, any of man's created God-like idols or gods,"

The praise of Santa even takes away what Christmas is all about-The birthday of Jesus.

So do people here who believe in God think Santa should be phased out? Because he is false idol

 

[Colossal Spoons]

^You don't say!

 

[Ahura Mazda]

First off, Jesus was pobably never born on the 25th and the reason we celebrate it then was because in ancient times people were celebrating the winter solstice and it was decided it wuold be easier to change the theme of a pagan holiday rather then create a new one. Second, the legend of santa clause is derived from St Nicholas who lived around 600 AD and was known to bring gifts to children on a boat.

 

[The Apocalypse]

^You don't say!

I really don't know what else to say. I just never heard of anyone worshiping Santa Claus. The closest I've seen were people going crazy to see Michael Jackson.

 

[Silverstein]

First off this thread is directed at people who believe in God. If you want a debate about the existence of God, then take it to another thread. I believe one already exists.

Jolly ol St Nick is admired and adored by kids all over the world. Santa has God like powers, delivering gifts all over the globe in a matter of hours, while gaining access to peoples homes without a problem. Santa even appears God-like fashion(minus the fat).

Ex. 20:5, "Don't worship nor serve them, any of man's created God-like idols or gods,"

The praise of Santa even takes away what Christmas is all about-The birthday of Jesus.

So do people here who believe in God think Santa should be phased out? Because he is false idol

With all due respect, all characters that people adore are false idols in a loose sense. So the notion is flawed.

Santa Claus a false idol? He's only admired during Christmas. Superman? World wide, people have media based on him and outfits designed to allow people to dress like him.

Harry Potter? A kid commited suicide because they told the ending of a stupid book. Sure the kid was probably disturbed anyway, but that's what sent him over the edge. And no one can attempt to say that Harry Potter wasn't important to him.

World of Warcraft? Didn't some kid in Korea commit suicide because his character got deleted? And if not, look at how much real world money, time and life is wasted on a video game.

And what about Corporations and marketing? Nike, Coca-Cola, Adidas, Old Navy, Wal-Mart, Express, Guess, Arden B., etc...These places charge ridiculous amounts of money and get away with it because consumers are consumer ****es. They let these conglomarates turn them into slaves.

No, sir. Santa Claus is no idol in comparison.

 

[LexCorp]

Do people worship Santa as they would GOD?

Good question.

I doubt that there are many humans on Earth that would worship Santa as worship is a strong word to use here. People (indeed children) will look up to Santa as they would a hero, or maybe more like a really good friend/parent that can do things or will provide things for them.

I am very unclear on where the original idea of Santa comes from but I do believe that there is much more to blame than just Santa for what Christmas has become.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Hmmm...omniscient being that watches you and promises rewards if you behave...

Clearly, Santa is Jesus for kids.

 

[Franklin Richards]

If you're worried about false idols you should be more worried about the almighty dollar.

 

[LexCorp]

Hmmm...omniscient being that watches you and promises rewards if you behave...

Clearly, Santa is Jesus for kids.

Yes indeed I wish all things were that simple.

He does appear to have the knowledge to judge you and see if you are good or bad by way or a list...very interesting. There could be truth to what you say. I can just see the thread becoming a who would win in a fight - Santa / Jesus debacle.

 

[Silverstein]

Yes indeed I wish all things were that simple.

He does appear to have the knowledge to judge you and see if you are good or bad by way or a list...very interesting. There could be truth to what you say. I can just see the thread becoming a who would win in a fight - Santa / Jesus debacle.

Wow. You guys are treading Blasphemy here. Ummm....I think I shall unsubscribe before an argument starts.

I'd like to point out how quick atheist seem to be at mocking Christianity. Where's the Sheeva mockery? (Not saying I want to see that, in fact, I'd like the opposite. There should be RESPECT for all beliefs and creeds...)

 

[Franklin Richards]

When Shiva worship breaks the Top 5, we'll make fun of them.

 

[LexCorp]

Wow. You guys are treading Blasphemy here. Ummm....I think I shall unsubscribe before an argument starts.

I'd like to point out how quick atheist seem to be at mocking Christianity. Where's the Sheeva mockery? (Not saying I want to see that, in fact, I'd like the opposite. There should be RESPECT for all beliefs and creeds...)

Indeed and nine times out of ten this forum is not the place for respect to religions.

I think I will stick with church and bible study right.

 

[Obi-Ron]

I can just see the thread becoming a who would win in a fight - Santa / Jesus debacle.

Tis the season.

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[BestGirl]

I'd like to point out how quick atheist seem to be at mocking Christianity. Where's the Sheeva mockery? (Not saying I want to see that, in fact, I'd like the opposite. There should be RESPECT for all beliefs and creeds...)

Western atheists are quick to mock Christianity because they live in Christian countries and have to listen to Christian doctrine. Indian atheists probably mock Hinduism all the time.

In regards to Santa, I don't believe anyone is actually worshiping him. The fascination with Santa has historically been corporation-driven, not theology-driven. The nice thing about Santa and the Easter Bunny is that they allow nonreligious people to celebrate two big holidays while also making kids happy. If Santa and the Easter Bunny bring joy to kids then I'm all for them.

 

[The Senator]

Wow. You guys are treading Blasphemy here. Ummm....I think I shall unsubscribe before an argument starts.

I'd like to point out how quick atheist seem to be at mocking Christianity. Where's the Sheeva mockery? (Not saying I want to see that, in fact, I'd like the opposite. There should be RESPECT for all beliefs and creeds...)

Well, when people in the United States start plastering Hindu laws in court houses while trying to teach the theory of reincarnation in science classes in public schools, non-Christians will start mocking Shiva more.

 

[chaseter]

Jesus probably wasn't even born on December 25th anyways. It is just a holiday about giving and family that happens to commemorate the birth of Christ.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Well, when people in the United States start plastering Hindu laws in court houses while trying to teach the theory of reincarnation in science classes in public schools, non-Christians will start mocking Shiva more.

 

[The Squirrel]

It doesn't really matter when Jesus was born, this is the holiday that Christians chose to remember it on.

If you're not a Christian, it's just a holiday of giving/receiving, joy and family which Santa Claus is a part of.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Well, when people in the United States start plastering Hindu laws in court houses while trying to teach the theory of reincarnation in science classes in public schools, non-Christians will start mocking Shiva more.

Please. Incorporating the Ten Commandments in Court Houses is nothing new - religious thoughts on right and wrong has always been apart of the judicial system in some way. Its only within the past 30 or so years that Courts have been forced to take them DOWN by people like you who are so obsessed with labels and names as opposed to intent.

And its not reincarnation that SOME christian groups are asking to be mentioned in schools - its the Creation story. And those groups arent demanding anything to be removed from the science curriculum, just that creationism be added to the mix.

 

[chaseter]

It doesn't really matter when Jesus was born, this is the holiday that Christians chose to remember it on.

If you're not a Christian, it's just a holiday of giving/receiving, joy and family which Santa Claus is a part of.

I am a Christian but the point of the holiday is to commemorate the birth of Christ which people for some reason think was December 25th...thus Christmas was born. The mass of Christ, gathering together to celebrate the birth of Christ. The holiday today I am sure is a hugely perverted form of what once was. Now back to the point of this thread...there is nothing wrong with believing in Santa. A man that goes around the world giving presents is a wholesome belief. I don't think God/Jesus would have any beef with the idea of Santa Claus as long as you don't forget the original meaning of the holiday.

And if the two fought...I would say Jesus is more feisty and would run circles around fat Santa and Santa would get tired and probably have a heart attack in the ring.

 

[The Squirrel]

I am a Christian but the point of the holiday is to commemorate the birth of Christ which people for some reason think was December 25th...thus Christmas was born. The mass of Christ, gathering together to celebrate the birth of Christ. The holiday today I am sure is a hugely perverted form of what once was. Now back to the point of this thread...there is nothing wrong with believing in Santa. A man that goes around the world giving presents is a wholesome belief. I don't think God/Jesus would have any beef with the idea of Santa Claus as long as you don't forget the original meaning of the holiday.

And if the two fought...I would say Jesus is more feisty and would run circles around fat Santa and Santa would get tired and probably have a heart attack in the ring.

That's pretty much what I wanted to say.

 

[The Senator]

Please. Incorporating the Ten Commandments in Court Houses is nothing new - religious thoughts on right and wrong has always been apart of the judicial system in some way. Its only within the past 30 or so years that Courts have been forced to take them DOWN by people like you who are so obsessed with labels and names as opposed to intent.

The federal government is not supposed to endorse a religion. By placing the Ten Commandments in front of a courthouse, the government is essentially endorsing Judeo-Christian principles and therefore is going against the First Amendment in the Constitution, as well as several Supreme Court rulings which have upheld that clause.

And its not reincarnation that SOME christian groups are asking to be mentioned in schools - its the Creation story. And those groups arent demanding anything to be removed from the science curriculum, just that creationism be added to the mix.

DUR. Obviously reincarnation is NOT a Christian principle, it is a Hindu principle. Creationism (as well as the theory of reincarnation) shouldn't be added to the science curriculum because there is ZERO evidence that we were created by a magical being in the sky, and therefore it is pseudo-science. If public schools want to teach it in optional religious theory classes, that's fine by me. But don't insert something which isn't scientific AT ALL into a science class EVERYONE has to take.