Scream 5 in Development

[antsman41]

4 really dropped the ball of being post 2010’s.

I was surprised by how little they tapped into texting, social media, and technology. Which this film seems to already be correcting.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[The Shape]

 

[Scorpio]

I thought Timothy Olyphant as Mickey was one of the better Scream killers, but to be fair...they did end up changing the script late in the game because it had leaked on the internet. I still think 2 turned out way better than it should've under the circumstances.

Scream 2 is actually my favourite scream movie and I can’t believe the killer reveals were a last minute rewrite because for me it works so well. Mrs Loomis is still my favourite ghostface and I love the buildup to her arriving at the finale to reveal herself, then turning on mickey and having her epic showdown with sidney. I just love her character and her feud with gale throughout the movie always makes me laugh. Can’t imagine scream 2 without her, for me she made the movie

 

[The Joker]

All things considered (including that they release the film only a year after the first), Scream 2 is an amazing sequel. Continued what worked in Scream, upped the ante, and followed the “rules” of sequels well.

Scream 2 also has some of the best and most inventive/intense sequences of the series. The opening kills, the Cece chase/kill, the Ghostface/Gale chase scene in the studio (great moment when Dewey “dies” in front of her, the Sidney/Halle car escape, etc.

Regardless of your feelings on the “twists”, the killer reveal scene is awesome and well done. Laurie Metcalf unhinged was wild, and it has one of my favorite Sidney lines. “You’re forgetting one thing about Billy Loomis…I ****ING KILLED HIM!”

Scream 2 is actually my favorite. I know Scream is the best one in terms of quality, but I enjoy 2 the most for all the reasons you said and more. It was also the only one that had some balls to kill off a beloved fan favorite character. Probably the only one that made me feel that anyone could die.

I never felt the holy trinity of Sid, Gale and Dewey were in danger of dying in 3 or 4.

Laurie Metcalf was a gem. From her Debbie Salt scenes pestering Gale with her intrusive questions and obvious butt kissing tactics, to the psychotic Mrs. Loomis. I always remember how her eyes looked so wide and crazy;

Of course when she dropped the line that she was the one who offed our beloved Randy; "Randy spoke poorly of Billy and I got a little knife happy!". Brilliant.

It was also dead clever when you watch back over the movie how they keep Debbie Salt out of any scenes with Sid, Dewey, and Randy because they would likely recognize her. It never crosses your mind when you're actually watching it because its so subtle. She comes off as a character that's there to irritate Gale.

Also shout out to Liev Schrieber as Cotton. One of the best assets to Scream 2. He was a great red herring character for the killer.

 

[The Joker]

4 really dropped the ball of being post 2010’s.

I was surprised by how little they tapped into texting, social media, and technology. Which this film seems to already be correcting.

The thing that bothers me about 4 is that yellow filter it has. Like they filmed the movie with Vaseline smeared on the camera lenses.

 

[BatLobster]

Honestly I think the meta-horror film idea is tired now. I used to love the series. 4 did a nice job trying to play with the formula of the series, but I just can't get excited for the series at this point.

There's more to the series than the meta angle IMO. You have arguably the best final girl of all time with Sidney, or least one of the top two. You have a great main trio of characters that fans have a lot of emotional investment in. Then there's just the fact that you get a slasher movie mixed with a whodunnit each time, which is an extremely fun and entertaining combo.

It's a lot more than I can say for most horror franchises, tbh. I hope this movie relaunches the series like 4 was supposed to and we get more movies.

 

[The Shape]

Scream 2 is actually my favorite. I know Scream is the best one in terms of quality, but I enjoy 2 the most for all the reasons you said and more. It was also the only one that had some balls to kill off a beloved fan favorite character. Probably the only one that made me feel that anyone could die.

I never felt the holy trinity of Sid, Gale and Dewey were in danger of dying in 3 or 4.

Laurie Metcalf was a gem. From her Debbie Salt scenes pestering Gale with her intrusive questions and obvious butt kissing tactics, to the psychotic Mrs. Loomis. I always remember how her eyes looked so wide and crazy;

Of course when she dropped the line that she was the one who offed our beloved Randy; "Randy spoke poorly of Billy and I got a little knife happy!". Brilliant.

It was also dead clever when you watch back over the movie how they keep Debbie Salt out of any scenes with Sid, Dewey, and Randy because they would likely recognize her. It never crosses your mind when you're actually watching it because its so subtle. She comes off as a character that's there to irritate Gale.

Also shout out to Liev Schrieber as Cotton. One of the best assets to Scream 2. He was a great red herring character for the killer.

I also love the subtle hints about the “mother” angle with Mrs Loomis as the killer.

The killer (Mickey) whispering “Listen Mommy” through the bathroom stall before the first kill seems random at first, but plants that seed right away. In Randy’s death scene, Randy is trashing Billy Loomis on the phone to Ghostface. The last thing he calls Billy before Ghostface jumps out and grabs him is “momma’s boy”.

As Debbie Salt, she was always around ever crime scene and even theorizes outloud to other reporters that the killer could be from Woodsboro which Gail kind of ignores. She was ironically talking about herself.

Also creates kind of a parallel between the Prescott and Loomis families. Both Sidney and her mother are victims of trauma, while Billy and his mother were both crazed psychopaths. Sidney’s mother seemed to be a good mother to Sidney despite her past and the affair, while Mrs Loomis was clearly not a good mother and abandoned. Sidney and Billy obviously turned out very differently from one another.

This is why if there is a Loomis kid of some kind in the new Scream, it would be more shocking to break the cycle and have them not be a killer this time.

 

[Doctor Jones]

That kid with the car looks very Billy like. At the same time they did this with Trevor in the fourth.

 

[CadeSkywalker28]

You didn’t see the movie? It was purposely silly with two “meta” false openings, and even the actual kills in the “third” opening scene weren’t scary or intense.

Really?

 

[The Shape]

Really?

 

[antsman41]

…my mom and dad are going to be so mad at me.

STILL THE BEST line of Scream.

 

[Sawyer]

4 really dropped the ball of being post 2010’s.

I was surprised by how little they tapped into texting, social media, and technology. Which this film seems to already be correcting.

Texting I’ll give you, but I think that film was a little too early on to really have a grasp on social media. Like, we’d only just been weaned off MySpace at that point.

 

[shauner111]

I also love the subtle hints about the “mother” angle with Mrs Loomis as the killer.

The killer (Mickey) whispering “Listen Mommy” through the bathroom stall before the first kill seems random at first, but plants that seed right away. In Randy’s death scene, Randy is trashing Billy Loomis on the phone to Ghostface. The last thing he calls Billy before Ghostface jumps out and grabs him is “momma’s boy”.

As Debbie Salt, she was always around ever crime scene and even theorizes outloud to other reporters that the killer could be from Woodsboro which Gail kind of ignores. She was ironically talking about herself.

Also creates kind of a parallel between the Prescott and Loomis families. Both Sidney and her mother are victims of trauma, while Billy and his mother were both crazed psychopaths. Sidney’s mother seemed to be a good mother to Sidney despite her past and the affair, while Mrs Loomis was clearly not a good mother and abandoned. Sidney and Billy obviously turned out very differently from one another.

This is why if there is a Loomis kid of some kind in the new Scream, it would be more shocking to break the cycle and have them not be a killer this time.

I think you nailed it and you’re making me want to revisit the movie. But I think my problem with the reveal is that I never bought that she was playing Ghostface during the kills. It always seemed like a young man and the nuances weren’t there like they were with Billy and Stu. I could be wrong and I’ll go back...and well, at least one Ghostface will seem like Mrs Loomis underneath the costume. But my memory is telling me nah, they always had a man or two men in mind even while shooting those Ghostface scenes. And then they changed the ending to make it classy Mrs Loomis, mother of the OG killer cuz ah-hah! You didn’t see that one comin! It’s all about the attention to detail for me. Not the shock value. But you might be right in that it all lines up. I just feel like it only lines up on paper, not in the actual film.

 

[shauner111]

…my mom and dad are going to be so mad at me.

STILL THE BEST line of Scream.

Never fails to make me burst out laughing.

 

[CadeSkywalker28]

The phone quote is far superior.

 

[StarLord]

That kid with the car looks very Billy like.

That's Kyle Gallner. He's a good actor.

 

[The Shape]

I think you nailed it and you’re making me want to revisit the movie. But I think my problem with the reveal is that I never bought that she was playing Ghostface during the kills. It always seemed like a young man and the nuances weren’t there like they were with Billy and Stu. I could be wrong and I’ll go back...and well, at least one Ghostface will seem like Mrs Loomis underneath the costume. But my memory is telling me nah, they always had a man or two men in mind even while shooting those Ghostface scenes. And then they changed the ending to make it classy Mrs Loomis, mother of the OG killer cuz ah-hah! You didn’t see that one comin! It’s all about the attention to detail for me. Not the shock value. But you might be right in that it all lines up. I just feel like it only lines up on paper, not in the actual film.

Nah, it lines up and you can tell which killer is behind the mask. I've studied all of the films for things like this. LOL

Mickey (the other killer) does almost all of the actual killing and heavy lifting in Scream 2. Mrs Loomis was admittedly more of a mastermind/planner/benefactor. But there are still a few times when she is behind the mask herself. Craven was smartly deceptive about it, in terms of Ghostface's size/strength. Lots of attention to detail in the first two.

After Cici's death, Mrs Loomis is the Ghostface who recklessly attacks Sidney at the sorority house, clumsily tripping over furniture. Ghostface only winds up slashing Sidney's boyfriend's arm before escaping. This helps to cast suspicion on Derek, as people wonder why Ghostface let him live. In reality, Mrs Loomis couldn't have taken him on her own.

Mrs Loomis also admits she is the one who killed Randy in the van. We only see Ghostface grabbing and viciously stabbing Randy in the van. Otherwise, we only see Ghostface and his boots as he (she in this case) exits the van. Randy was weak. She had the advantage in this case and was able to take him down.

Mrs Loomis is also behind the mask when Gale is chased and attacked on the campus at the end, as Mickey was off attacking Sidney and Halle elsewhere. In all three sequences I mentioned, you can actually hear Laurie Metcalf's screams and grunts behind the mask (ADR) if you're paying attention. You can also track her movements as her fake reporter persona to figure out where she was going or coming from. Mrs Loomis was in good shape and not that old.

Scream 4 is where it became unrealistic and hard to tell. The Ghostface stuntman in that movie was way taller than BOTH killers, and the logistics of who did which killing and how they did it doesn't always make sense.

 

[CadeSkywalker28]

Randy was weak. She had the advantage in this case and was able to take him down.

Nope. Randy is taller and heavier than she is and that's enough for him to defend himself.

Either way, I don't care about details like that. Ms Loomis is just bad choice to be the killer, because both she and Mickey barely appears in the film and Laurie Metcalf's acting wasn't very interesting.

I know they had to change because of the leak, but Derek would be a much better as the killer.

 

[The Shape]

Nope. Randy is taller and heavier than she is and that's enough for him to defend himself.

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Nope. Randy would have been only 3 inches taller than her. In-universe, he was portrayed as a weaker, nerdy, non-macho character from the start. Look at what happens to him at the end of Scream 1.

Psycho Mrs Loomis grabbed him from behind and had the element of complete surprise, pulled him into a van and used the tight quarters to stab him repeatedly while they tussled. Would not be easy for most people to get out of that situation. She was also clearly in a fit of range.

Either way, I don't care about details like that. Ms Loomis is just bad choice to be the killer, because both she and Mickey barely appears in the film and Laurie Metcalf's acting wasn't very interesting.

I know they had to change because of the leak, but Derek would be a much better as the killer.

Yes, make the killer be the most obvious suspect and Sidney's boyfriend...again. Much better and more interesting...

 

[CadeSkywalker28]

Whether making Sidney's boyfriend the killer again is predictable or surprising because it's too predictable is a matter of taste. The thing is that Derek does not fit the killer type personality at all, because he is awkward, shy, and unlike Billy, he looks innocent.

But if later it turned out that he is a killer, that he has a completely different personality, he would be more interesting as the killer, especially since Jerry O'Connell's acting was great.

I just can't take her seriously, especially after revealing that she lost weight...

 

[The Shape]

Whether making Sidney's boyfriend the killer again is predictable or surprising because it's too predictable is a matter of taste. The thing is that Derek does not fit the killer type personality at all, because he is awkward, shy, and unlike Billy, he looks innocent.

But if later it turned out that he is a killer, that he has a completely different personality, he would be more interesting as the killer, especially since Jerry O'Connell's acting was great.

I just can't take her seriously, especially after revealing that she lost weight...

Derek was a good character and a good guy. He was the perfect red herring, subverting the expectation that the killer would be Sidney's boyfriend again. He was also necessary to the story, with Sidney not being able to fully trust him due to what happened to her, which is unstandable. In retrospect, she should have trusted him.

 

[samsnee]

Yeah they were clearly inspired by the first Friday the 13th on that one. I actually enjoy the second one for 90% of it. But the reveal and motivations didn’t work for me.

 

[CadeSkywalker28]

Yup, she left Billy, but then she is like "but i loved him SO MUCH!"

 

[The Shape]

She was absolutely nuts. Definitely a nod to other crazy "slasher moms" like Mrs Bates and Mrs Voorhees.

The motivations for all the killers have been fairly weak. That's how it is in real life and kind of the point. These are crazy, unhinged people who kill because they want to or like to, usually for poorly justified reasons that are in their heads.