Discussion in 'Iron Fist' started by Kane52630, Mar 16, 2017.
Episode 10: Black Tiger Steals Heart
Dat reel was dope.
That was our copout comic costume reference for the whole show. It kind of made me angry. We'll never get to see Danny in action wearing it for stupid reasons.
So...The Hand are Scientologists?
Looks like did some outside the box ethnic casting for Davos. He's no longer south Asian. He looks like he could be Samoan or maybe East Asian.
For a guy who spent 15 years training to be the Iron Fist, Danny seems to have no clue what it even is.
I also find it funny that he has repeatedly talked about how he has devoted his life to mastering his body and mind...but if you edit those sentences out of the show, you'd never think that he had spent 5 seconds doing that.
And great...two versions of The Hand...and what do you know...like Elektra, the title character's girlfriend is a member.
That's not really the same thing though. Colleen was a member by choice. Elektra was never a part of the Hand, and when she returns she will most likely be brainwashed by them
A side note, it was pretty obvious with everyone wearing the colors of the Hand that this was a Hand headquarters. I was still suprised that Colleen was part of them though.
Not a huge fan of the twist in this episode.
I'm hoping this is a hell of a close.
I liked the twist.
[BLACKOUT]Clearly, something went south after Danny became the Iron Fist. It was hinted at, but it was confirmed in this. During the tournament with The Hand, it was heavily implied. I mean, Danny's been getting the questions from people who know about the legend of the Iron Fist about why he's not at the gates of K'un-Lun. Even Danny has described his duties as Iron Fist has being the guardian of the gates of K'un-Lun from invasion of The Hand. And instead he's in New York. So, seems like good storytelling that we see pieces of his lack of knowledge, if things did go the way he said in this episode. He said his training as the Iron Fist went "sideways", so clearly something happened. And the ending, with Davos clearly pissed he left, and pretty much confirmation that Danny abandoned his post to return.
The Hand using grass root methods, taking in youth who don't have family, or have been abandoned, or need something to believe in. It makes sense. They have ALOT of foot soldiers. Alot. They're a ****ing legion. Building their forces via a sense of community and devotion. It makes sense to me. Spending time there, I fully understand why Colleen thinks they're the good guys. And hell, she might have a point about how they've been demonized and caricatured in K'un-Lun, where even Danny has described them as more like a fable or something like the Devil and demons.
I liked the reveal of Davos, too. I had thought he was an assassin waiting on a chance to kill Danny. I also think the reveal worked well, because I didn't wind up hating Colleen (which is normally what should happen when a reveal like this happens). Her going rogue and saving Danny and Davos was a good bit or redemption, too. I liked the ending, and it seems like we're going to understand what happened in K'un-Lun, and why Danny left his post.
The reel was kinda bittersweet. I badly, badly, want a costume. I just do. And the reel through in the hint that it'll probably happen. So, that's good. I really don't think him wearing a costume would be ridiculous. I can admit that he hasn't had much reason to hide his identity this season, though. But, getting past this season or maybe even in The Defenders, I'm not sure having the famous Billionaire walking around without atleast a ski mask (please, don't make it a ski mask...) to conceal his identity would work for long.[/BLACKOUT]
I like the twist a lot
Davos is a nice addition, and Bakuto seems convicing.
I still digging Harold a lot.
That hallway fight might have been even better and the other fight scene was the best so far IMO. Davos was a nice addition.
I had a feeling Colleen's sensei couldn't be trusted. Do we think that was Orson Randall?
This episode is about trust. And who or what to believe.
Given that, I think the reveal about two Hand factions work (particularly when they both suck). I think that can help explain the difference between Nobu and Gao. Given the set up of the Iron Fist vs. the Hand, I think the setup and fakeout works. There were also some good fights.
With the breakdown in trust, it fits that Davos shows up. This is the right role for this story for him, imo. If they do return to K'un Lun, I wonder if they'll give him the Iron Fist costume.
Four and a Half Stars.
I'm OK with it:
For starters, it sets things up for the future by showing that the thing exists. Second, Danny's lack of costume is thematic for this season and, in particular, this episode. He abandoned K'un Lun.
I also don't think the show is setting itself up well to have a costume at this moment. After all, Daredevil went out to fight crime. He started off with an identity concealment and turned it into a symbol. Danny is either acting impulsively (go to the docks now to take pictures) or he's going into something where he's known. I do think there were two points where a costume might make sense - the tournament earlier and any possible end fight. But I think they've made it work even if I think they're a bit afraid of it being distracting (not Zombie Harold distracting, though).
It's not enough for me IMO.
I get that. I do. But I thought it worked for the story they were trying to tell. Particularly with those scenes where it shows Danny doesn't really truly understand the Iron Fist yet, he just did it because he wanted it.
Would I have wanted a different story? Maybe. I certainly want him to have a costume in Defenders and I doubt that'll happen. But I also feel I should judge them on the story they want to tell, not the story I wanted them to tell. Although, even judged on its own merits, the fight scenes would be better if he had a mask.
Harold keeping his dead assistant's severed head in that weird tank thing
The Hand reminded me of the Foot Clan from the original Turtle movies.
Yeah no kidding, since Turtles took inspiration from Daredevil in that regard t:
There is a scene in a future episode I think where [BLACKOUT]Claire tells Colleen they should change their name from The Hand to something else like "the arm" or something. And I was hoping she was gonna say "The foot" t:[/BLACKOUT]
Yeah, definitely. That was one thing I actually liked since The Foot is a parody of The Hand. We've sort of come full circle.
From India, going by the actor.
When Gao was first tied to the hand in this show I figured from her role in Daredevil that she was either from a different part of the Hand, or that she only works with them occasionally/took over from Nobu after having worked with him. Either way, I think it was clear that she has always had her own agenda and is using the Hand's resources for her own gain as well.
When the one guy 'graduated' from the dojo I figured he would be going somewhere where the Hand did their recruiting.
I think the biggest problem:
When asked if she was going to China, she said she was going much further. Everyone rightly assumed K'un Zi. Now what are we to assume? Japan?
At least the implication that she originally came from K'un Lun before she left and joined the Hand is interesting. I wish it was explored at all, but she'll likely be back next season.
Hate to be that guy, but we need a gif of that Chinese expedition reel stat.
I wonder if that was also to help set up [blackout] Orson Randall [/blackout] for future seasons.
I thought we were gonna have a scene like this...