Falcon and Winter Soldier SEASON 1, EPISODE 4: The Whole World is Watching (SPOILERS)

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  1. Donner Formerly Elektra1 (she/her/hers)

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    Hugo Weaving
     
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  2. Gaultheria Registered

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    Very much. And the Flag Smashers' symbol could be a hint in that direction.
     
  3. Limonade Registered

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    I'm going to hope it's old man Cap.
     
  4. Batmannerism Super-unknown

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    Yup. Weaving makes V a fascinating character and we never see his face, or even his eyes. Brilliant mime and voice over combination. Exactly what they should have done with Bane in TDKR.
     
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    Also, in Cap TFA I seem to remember them using a number of SSS vials on Steve - whereas the other recipients only got a single vial, maybe the dosage + the rays account for Steve's physical transformation- occams Razor suggests it's more likely a writer's oversight, although in CW I think the death squad dies who were injected with SSS got more muscular, will have to go back and check.
     
  6. RockSP MYTH SMITH ˆž∞!!!

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    Being better wouldn't really apply if Sam was punched through a wall by a superhuman though. But I don't recall that happening.
     
  7. RockSP MYTH SMITH ˆž∞!!!

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    The difference was explained by whathisname, the scientist who made it that Zemo killed. His version of the serum doesn't add all the muscles. It's more "subtle and optimized", as he put it.
     
  8. RockSP MYTH SMITH ˆž∞!!!

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    He's still on the payroll as Vision.
     
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    Not familiar with Bettany in a role in which he wore "heavy make-up and prosthetics" - as the Vision he wore relatively light make-up [a bald cap and cowl] and on WandaVision they have dropped the cowl and it is now just the bald cap and face paint - nothing challenging about that as far as acting goes
     
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    3.5 hours to become ready for the camera, thick makeup to de-humanize his face and cover up fine features such as laugh lines, prosthetics on his head and chest, restricted hearing, and the need for a cooling apparatus in his costume to counter heat exhaustion. On screen, it looks seamless and like no big deal, but only because the makeup artists and the actor did a really good job. And all the while, there was the psychological challenge to contend with:
     
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    If there’s a bit of time between now and the next Vision project, Marvel could cast him in an additional role. Important characters played by the same actor in a series (or a set of related series) can be distinct from each other, such as Jeffrey Combs’ performances as Brunt and Weyoun and Shran on Star Trek.
     
  12. Shuri Smartest person in the MCU.

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    Might also be a flashback.
     
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  13. Dark Raven It's not about what you deserve...

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    He's already played two characters in the MCU: JARVIS and Vision.
     
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    This episode should have being called Erskine's words.

    "Whatever happens tomorrow, you must promise me one thing. That you will stay who you are. Not a perfect soldier, but a good man." "To the little guys."
     
  15. Dark Raven It's not about what you deserve...

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    That would be a really long winded title. It wasn't about Steve Rogers anyway so the title wouldn't apply to Walker who may not have been a good man to begin with. I think the title as given was appropriate.
     
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    In one way I feel sorry for him. Because I think most of us we would try do same Walker did. Try live up to the shield, live up to a pressure of being Cap. We would eventually all breakdown. After taking constant beating, taking losses and being disrespected. There is only one Steve Rodgers. There will never be another one. And no one could really replace him and live up to his legacy. We all did many things under pressure, we all cracked here or there. How many times you would take high road etc. I can only imagine with serum amplifiying all that we would eventually do something similar to what Walker did at the end. Even though most of us wouldnt admit it.

    They did great job with his character.
     
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    Don't forget that everyone whose received "the Super Soldier Serum" has actually received something different. The Red Skull's version was "incomplete", with Erskine finishing it some time later for Steve. Bucky got Zola's effort to recreate it, while Bradley presumably got the "open" recreation effort from the US government. The five new winter soldiers from CW got stuff worked on by people connected with Howard Stark ( if not Howard himself ). Blonsky received an old prototype pulled out of storage, probably connected to government efforts to recreate their success with Isaiah Bradley. And Dr Nagel created his own stuff using old blood samples.

    Between the different people and the decades of time, is it any shock that the results vary?
     
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  18. Dark Raven It's not about what you deserve...

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    Why on earth did Hydra shoot Erskine since he was the only one who could successfully create the serum? They and everyone else have spent the last century paying for that mistake and trying to recreate it.

    Would be cool if there's a show where someone goes back in time to try to save him or gets ones he created from a different timeline. If time travel followed Back to the Future rules and someone did save him and alter history then imagine if an Avenger had to also go back and correct that and had to be the one to shoot him now instead.
     
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    Heinz took a sample of the serum, the plan was to shoot Erskine so the US couldn't recreate it, he'd bring it to Hydra and Hydra would use it to create an army of Super Soldiers. Hydra didn't count on Captain America stopping Heinz though, so that threw a wrench in their plans.
     
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  20. Dark Raven It's not about what you deserve...

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    What happened to that sample?
     
  21. Web-Head Oh boy yeah

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    Just watched it and damn, if they decided to give the Dora a series after whatever happens in BP 2 I wouldn't be against it. That is the first time we really see them fight. They didn't really have a scene in BP that focused on their skills like that and IWs focused on main heroes plus it was aliens.
     
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    Isn't Loki time traveling? but I doubt he would go to that point.
     
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    See video below, it got destroyed.
     
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    The moment Lemar I said "Dead man walking" It only made sense.
     

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