Born Again Season 1, Episode 5 & 6: "With Interest" & "Excessive Force" (SPOILERS)

[DeadlyWest]

Yeah Episode 5 felt like a traditional Disney+ show, a lot of characters we had never met before so hard to get invested but it was fun none the less, but didnt really have much to do with the main plot, very much a filler and very jarring (blatant MCU cross over and Funko Pop adverts, really) to the episodes either side, still some nice action at points. Probably the weakest so far but hearing its the only untouched episode of the original show makes a lot of sense.

Episode 6 though was much MUCH more like it and what you come to expect from this now and its good to have DD and Kingpin back at the same time, they way they choreographed the two fights to intertwine with each other even though in two different locations was brilliantly done, we are so back.

Didnt expect the Muse stuff to be dealt with so quickly he didnt seem all that hard to find for Matt in the end but at least theres the chance me might return and get more in the future.

By the way the suit has never looked better as well.

It seems like he escaped while Matt was performing CPR, so probably more to come

Anyway yeah, episode 5 was very much filler but some pretty good filler. Episode 6 was the living goddman embodiment of sheer catharsis and I love it for that

No, it's not Netflix Daredevil. Nothing ever will be. But this is a damn good and satisfying followup to it so far

 

[Spider-Fan]

It's thus far not Netflix Daredevil, but that's never been the standard I was looking for. That's a high bar. But it's by far one of the best D+ shows so far, and given the reshoot situation and such I was honestly walking away happy if it was like...Better than Defenders quality. Like Mid-Tier Netflix show quality. It's far exceeded that bar.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

Guys, I like the Netflix show but I just rewatched S1 and S2, and I really think you all put it on a higher pedestal than it really is. I actually kinda hate the lightning and colors of it, it's so hard to see so much of the action, and everything just looks sickly green.

Don't get me wrong, its solid, but I don't think its THAT much better than this season so far.

 

[Zyraquis]

To me it is equally if not more enjoyable than Netflix at least it isn’t too drawn out. I recently tried to finish rewatching season 3 but didn’t manage to sit through all episodes again.

 

[BoredGuy]

If I have to rank seasons so far, I'd put this second behind Netflix Season 1. I'm enjoying it more than S3 or (the second half of) 2

It doesn't look as "prestige tv" in terms of cinematography, but the story is much more engaging for me

 

[Spider-Fan]

I can sit through all 3 seasons without issue. I think the biggest difference between the 2 shows for me jn the quality is the bad CG, most evident in episode 1. The CG completely ruined the 1 take fight for me. I also don't think in general the new show has flowed as well as the old one did. But again, I have loved the new show so far and I do think it's closer to say, season 2 DD quality than it is to not being as good.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

I can sit through all 3 seasons without issue. I think the biggest difference between the 2 shows for me jn the quality is the bad CG, most evident in episode 1. The CG completely ruined the 1 take fight for me. I also don't think in general the new show has flowed as well as the old one did. But again, I have loved the new show so far and I do think it's closer to say, season 2 DD quality than it is to not being as good.

The bad CG didn't really take me out of it. I like that they're making DD more "comic booky" with him actually doing his feats from the comics. That's the one thing I will give the Daredevil movie.

Daredevil Season 2 was a slog with all the Hand stuff, The Punisher stuff was WAY more engaging, and I know it sounds biased cause of my name, but I think the contrast between Frank and Matt, their dialogue and debates on crime and punishment were far more interesting than supernatural ancient ninjas.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The bad CG didn't really take me out of it. I like that they're making DD more "comic booky" with him actually doing his feats from the comics. That's the one thing I will give the Daredevil movie.

Daredevil Season 2 was a slog with all the Hand stuff, The Punisher stuff was WAY more engaging, and I know it sounds biased cause of my name, but I think the contrast between Frank and Matt, their dialogue and debates on crime and punishment were far more interesting than supernatural ancient ninjas.

I do think the Hand stuff in season 2 is def the weaker plot line in S2. But law of averages, DD S2 I do think wins. I don't mind making Daredevil do more comic books things, but if you're gonna do it....make it look good. The obvious CGI of it just makes it look like trash to me. I would much rather have less comic books stuff that looks good than comic books stuff that looks bad. Hopefully that stuff looks better in season 2 when there isn't reshoots. The fighting in the show has largely been good, but that CGI is oof

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

Not to sound like a complete fanboy but I'm just thankful that we even have this show at all and they made the correct decision to retool it. Daredevil has been my favorite live action adaptation of a marvel comic to date and I thought it wasn't coming back. Its not the Netflix series but it's also not the worst revival we've ever gotten and even in its current Frankenstein state, it's still leagues above the other live action marvel series.


I enjoyed both of these episodes. I originally thought the muse stuff was handled too quickly but that plot thread is really done yet and he did kidnap White Tiger's kid so Matt had a physical lead so it made senses after thinking about it

 

[Punisher_MAX]

I do think the Hand stuff in season 2 is def the weaker plot line in S2. But law of averages, DD S2 I do think wins. I don't mind making Daredevil do more comic books things, but if you're gonna do it....make it look good. The obvious CGI of it just makes it look like trash to me. I would much rather have less comic books stuff that looks good than comic books stuff that looks bad. Hopefully that stuff looks better in season 2 when there isn't reshoots. The fighting in the show has largely been good, but that CGI is oof

I guess I'm giving the CGI a pass because of all the massive changes that happened during production.

But yes, the CGI for the Disney+ shows definitely needs to be better. It's insane that the Daredevil movie with Affleck still has some decent CG for the stuff DD is able to do.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Yeah Episode 5 felt like a traditional Disney+ show, a lot of characters we had never met before so hard to get invested but it was fun none the less, but didnt really have much to do with the main plot, very much a filler and very jarring (blatant MCU cross over and Funko Pop adverts, really) to the episodes either side, still some nice action at points. Probably the weakest so far but hearing its the only untouched episode of the original show makes a lot of sense.

Episode 6 though was much MUCH more like it and what you come to expect from this now and its good to have DD and Kingpin back at the same time, they way they choreographed the two fights to intertwine with each other even though in two different locations was brilliantly done, we are so back.

Didnt expect the Muse stuff to be dealt with so quickly he didnt seem all that hard to find for Matt in the end but at least theres the chance me might return and get more in the future.

By the way the suit has never looked better as well.

Muse is likely coming back in future episodes as Bastian although whether or not he'll be in the Muse get up again remains to be seen. I believe he's already confirmed for season two.

 

[DyeLorean]

But yes, the CGI for the Disney+ shows definitely needs to be better. It's insane that the Daredevil movie with Affleck still has some decent CG for the stuff DD is able to do.

Something Affleck's Daredevil movie managed to resolve and illustrate perfectly is Matt's sonar-like sensory system. That still looks awesome.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

Something Affleck's Daredevil movie managed to resolve and illustrate perfectly is Matt's sonar-like sensory system. That still looks awesome.

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I still think this fight scene is probably the best DD fight scene filmed lol

 

[Dr. Evil]

As much as I would have loved to have seen Brett Mahoney come back, Angie Kim is a nice replacement. Plus more Asian representation in the MCU the better.

 

[squeekness]

Not to sound like a complete fanboy but I'm just thankful that we even have this show at all and they made the correct decision to retool it. Daredevil has been my favorite live action adaptation of a marvel comic to date and I thought it wasn't coming back. Its not the Netflix series but it's also not the worst revival we've ever gotten and even in its current Frankenstein state, it's still leagues above the other live action marvel series.


I enjoyed both of these episodes. I originally thought the muse stuff was handled too quickly but that plot thread is really done yet and he did kidnap White Tiger's kid so Matt had a physical lead so it made senses after thinking about it

I agree that of all the shows DD has been getting the best run. Honest most of the shows post Netflix have been very hit or miss for me, the best being Loki and Hawkeye for me, outside of DD. I wish the rest were better than they have been.

 

[Dr. Evil]

With regards to Episode 5: Would Kamala know that Matt Murdock is Daredevil if they meet?

 

[BlackFox]

Guys, I like the Netflix show but I just rewatched S1 and S2, and I really think you all put it on a higher pedestal than it really is. I actually kinda hate the lightning and colors of it, it's so hard to see so much of the action, and everything just looks sickly green.

Don't get me wrong, its solid, but I don't think its THAT much better than this season so far.

This, the Netflix show was of course great in many ways but its not just Matt that wears rose tinted glasses on it, I rewatched parts of the first 3 seasons and outside of the famous "oners" there was a lot of poorly lit fights that were hard to tell what was going on and some even in pitch black at times. The Disney+ show has certainly brought some new things to the table in terms of the fights both in lighting of the suit and so much easier to see what is actually going on, the Muse fight was sublime and well worth the build up to Matt putting on the suit again, plus it has made some bold story choices and the whole Matt/Fisk both struggling with trying to supress who they really are at the same time is working great for me anyway, much better than the Hand stuff anyway.

The writing is clearly much more choppy but given how the show was put together its far more obvious that if episode 5 was the best of the original stuff you can kind of see why they course corrected during the season and thank goodness they did. Netflix had more consistency in that department sure but I expect season 2 of the Disney+ show to be far more consistent than this season in that department.

The fact this season exists, isnt an abomination of the Netflix show and is still working is a miracle in itself given its road here. You can see why people like Bernthal threatened to walk though give some of that writing that got ditched. Whomever made that call (I assume Feige) deserves a raise.

 

[BlackFox]

It seems like he escaped while Matt was performing CPR, so probably more to come

Anyway yeah, episode 5 was very much filler but some pretty good filler. Episode 6 was the living goddman embodiment of sheer catharsis and I love it for that

No, it's not Netflix Daredevil. Nothing ever will be. But this is a damn good and satisfying followup to it so far

Im just glad the build up and pay off was worth the wait for such an excellent screen fight, I legit thought for a moment he was going to fully hang Muse given how pent up he was, Cox absolutely nailed this scene in every way.

 

[Elayis]

The biggest hurdle I can't seem to get over is that the show has no personality or specificity to it whatsoever. It's just a series of things happening with very little rhyme or reason. We're not really getting into the characters heads and understanding their motivations, so Matt's decision to suit up in episode six felt random as hell. It had none of the build up or pay off that his sitting up in season three had. I don't understand where the tension is in any given scene because I don't really know these characters or what's motivating them. Their actions seem arbitrary. I want to know what's driving Fisk to want to be mayor, what is he getting out it. The same could be said for basically every character, legacy and new, but it's the new ones that suffer the most because so far the show has done zero work to flesh them out and give the audience a reason to care.

Also, the editing is ass. I understand what they were going for with cross cutting the Daredevil and Kingpin fights, but it did not work, and the jumping around during the gala was terrible. The sound design was also quite poor. The stairwell fight during the robbery felt off, almost like part of the mix had been accidentally left out, and hearing Muse's knives clink against empty air had me rolling my eyes.

I'm willing to stick with this until next season because at least that will be a complete and coherent vision, but I don't have a whole lot of faith if episode one is anything to go by.

 

[BlackFox]

Muse is likely coming back in future episodes as Bastian although whether or not he'll be in the Muse get up again remains to be seen. I believe he's already confirmed for season two.

Thats good as it would be good to get a bit more dialogue and character from him, as that mask is creepy AF, has loads of potential.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Thats good as it would be good to get a bit more dialogue and character from him, as that mask is creepy AF, has loads of potential.

Back in episode two, he asked Heather if she was taking more clients and Heather gave him her contact info and would move her schedule around to fit him in. I would think we would see a session between the two in a future episode.

 

[Gu3ree]

Glad Matt is back in the suit. I enjoyed the hostage episode. Personally felt like it needed to be a little bit longer. It was quite a filler episode though. No Fisk or other characters appeared in the episode. The suspense is killing me. I wish they just released all the episodes so I could binge. Those two episode releases wrapped up so quickly. Before I knew it, dang it, already...now we have to wait until next Wednesday (for me). The red mask idea was genius.

I thought Fisk was going to kill Adam, but looks like he's keeping him. So now Murdock and Fisk are going back to their true nature. Can't wait for the next episode.

 

[Zyraquis]

They may have just labeled episode 5 a bonus episode and made episode 6 the episode 5 if it is totally detached from the main narrative and story threads which, though still enjoyable, seems to be the case.

 

[psylockolussus]

I was confused how both episodes came out in the same day.

I accidentally finished episode 6 first. Though it didn't really affect my viewing.

 

[Breogan]

Keep forgetting he's part of the cast, looking forward to see if/how he develops further.
Have Daredevil and Swordsman (Duquesne) ever interacted in the comics?
Teamed-up, or fought? Any good scenes, scans?