House of the Dragon Season 2 Episode 4 - "The Red Dragon and the Gold"

Yeah, Fire and Blood/House of the Dragon is a much different beast in comparison to A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones. For starters, the whole story of the Dance of Dragons is all laid out plus it's told from more of a historian point of view rather than the POV of the characters as in ASOIAF so there's a lot more creative freedom as far as character development in the show. Plus since the whole storyline takes place over the course of about 250 pages or so there shouldn't be much to worry about as far as the show cutting out large chunks of plotline/characters like Game of Thrones did. There have been some minor changes here and there so far but nothing too controversial.

This may be a little blasphemous for book readers but the book makes for an interesting companion piece to the show if you approach it as a history book that's being recounted centuries after it's happened through both reliable and unreliable sources while viewing the show as how those events actually went down. They both bring something fresh to the table.

Yes, I am aware of how the book is written and that it's a flawed retelling of history by three different people within the setting itself so I certainly get that the book and the show can coexist in a better way than most adaptations.

I do enjoy not knowing even most of the larger events though and while I do know the ASOIAF books very well I've actually forgotten exactly what they say when they refer to the Dance of the Dragons so even there I've unspoiled myself for the most part.

We'll see if I can keep this up for the entire show, but even if I do I reckon I'll read it before any other potential F&B stories get adapted. Other than the show my dormant interest for the main series has been awoken a bit so I may have to get some new GRRM stuff again. Especially if the current rumors about The Winds of Winter turn out to be false (again).
 
This is exactly why it's funny to me that there ARE plenty of fans who are complaining about every single change, like the show is desecrating the source material. I haven't loved all the changes, but to expect the show to stick 100% to this book in particular is quite silly. It's a list of events turned into a several-season long narrative. Changes had to be made, or I doubt we'd be on season 2 right now. Most of the main characters are unredeemably evil in the book, which is fine for its format, but of course those characters are more complicated and gray in this adaptation; people have to like them after all.
They made some characters more likable in the show, others less so but I don't think the show would work if the majority of them were terrible people. As it is right now in the show, most of them are morally gray except for the kids on Team Black, Helaena (who's too innocent for Westeros) and Aemond (who's on the opposite end, basically an anime villain). The only real jarring change to me so far has been Blood and Cheese because of how much more shocking it was in the book but their reasoning for it being that way in the show is understandable since they didn't want to traumatize any of the child actors.

Yes, I am aware of how the book is written and that it's a flawed retelling of history by three different people within the setting itself so I certainly get that the book and the show can coexist in a better way than most adaptations.

I do enjoy not knowing even most of the larger events though and while I do know the ASOIAF books very well I've actually forgotten exactly what they say when they refer to the Dance of the Dragons so even there I've unspoiled myself for the most part.

We'll see if I can keep this up for the entire show, but even if I do I reckon I'll read it before any other potential F&B stories get adapted. Other than the show my dormant interest for the main series has been awoken a bit so I may have to get some new GRRM stuff again. Especially if the current rumors about The Winds of Winter turn out to be false (again).
Yeah, the references to the Dance in both ASOIAF and Game of Thrones are so throwaway that it's almost impossible to remember them unless you're actively rereading or rewatching them now with a lot more context post-HOTD. It didn't even stop there because the bonus features of the Game of Thrones Blu-rays had animated featurettes that told various stories from the history of Westeros and maybe three or four of them go over major events from the Dance in vivid detail. I definitely watched all of those as the seasons came out on Blu-ray but since it was a good long while before HOTD I had forgotten basically everything.
 
Loved this episode. They really delivered with the dragon combat. Obviously sad to see that exit happen, but it was done pretty perfectly.

I'm excited to see the Riverlands plot develop more next week, and to see how TGC adapts his performance post-accident.

Also - PLEASE can we get an acknowledgement of Dreamfyre? It seems obvious to mention her now - show them pressuring Heleana to ride now that one of their main dragons is wounded!
 
That dragon combat was something else, hot damn. They've come quite a way since GoT.

Unlike ASOIAF, I have not read this source material and don't really remember much of anything when they talked about this era in those books, and I don't intend to spoil myself, so watching this blind not knowing where it's going...I will just say it's really frustrating watching this team of absolute losers keep getting the upper hand, and I'm really hoping that changes soon. :o

Sorry to say though, Daemon's really starting to bore me. I find myself tuning out during his scenes now the way I did with Bran's in GoT. Always happy to see Milly, though!
 
Poor Sunfyre. Got stuck with a ****head drunk driver. Though this episode did make me feel a little sad for Aegon. There was a cute moment between him and Sunfyre when they were getting ready where Sunfyre sort of nudged/hugged him and Aegon seemed genuinely happy to be with him. If his entire family didn’t hate each other’s guts so much, he might’ve had a chance at being a decent person.

I also haven’t read the books but I read about Targaryen history a while ago so I do know about much of what is about to happen. I don’t think Alys Rivers/Daemon plot was in the books so I’m really curious to see how that develops.
 
Also - PLEASE can we get an acknowledgement of Dreamfyre? It seems obvious to mention her now - show them pressuring Heleana to ride now that one of their main dragons is wounded!
I'd love to see that too. They seem to be giving Helaena slightly more to do in the show than in the book but we could definitely use some Dreamfyre, who I think had a cameo in the first season in the dragonpit when Aemond goes down further into the pit to explore when he's a kid (after the pig prank).

That dragon combat was something else, hot damn. They've come quite a way since GoT.
Looks much better when you can actually see the dragons fighting, eh? :o

Poor Sunfyre. Got stuck with a ****head drunk driver. Though this episode did make me feel a little sad for Aegon. There was a cute moment between him and Sunfyre when they were getting ready where Sunfyre sort of nudged/hugged him and Aegon seemed genuinely happy to be with him. If his entire family didn’t hate each other’s guts so much, he might’ve had a chance at being a decent person.
What happened to Sunfyre upset me almost as much as what happened to Meleys and Rhaenys. The animators did a great job at conveying Sunfyre's emotions when Aegon came to the pit to get him.

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He looked so happy and excited as he probably hadn't even seen Aegon in quite some time for obvious reasons (Aegon being crowned king, spending time in brothels and child fighting pits, etc.). Since he's a younger dragon with no battle experience, he probably thought that they were just going out for a nice ride. Aegon looked genuinely happy to see Sunfyre as well because his dragon was the only one that showed him any kind of affection.

It also makes me hate Aemond more that he was perfectly willing to take out Sunfyre as collateral damage too.
 
Yeah, Vhagar needs like a mile of runway to take off because she's such a chub chub but she can hide behind a castle no problem. :o

Well, to be fair the castle was on a cliff so I'd say it was the cliff rather than the castle that obscured Vhagar. It of course required quite the timing to pop up like that though. :)
 
Well, to be fair the castle was on a cliff so I'd say it was the cliff rather than the castle that obscured Vhagar. It of course required quite the timing to pop up like that though. :)
It's one of those things that will just drive you crazy the more you think about it. Also to that degree, when Vhagar was grounded in that clip that Kane posted, Rhaenys had all the time in the world to circle back around and rain fire on Vhagar while she was trying to take flight. It at the very least could have killed Aemond in that moment. Often, writing sacrifices logic for drama but in the end it doesn't make the scene any less great.
 
It's one of those things that will just drive you crazy the more you think about it. Also to that degree, when Vhagar was grounded in that clip that Kane posted, Rhaenys had all the time in the world to circle back around and rain fire on Vhagar while she was trying to take flight. It at the very least could have killed Aemond in that moment. Often, writing sacrifices logic for drama but in the end it doesn't make the scene any less great.

Yes, there is some writing convenience going on, although we do see Rhaenys ponder whether she should go back or not so there is at least a reason for why it took some time turning back.

I think a big factor in tipping the scale whether something is deemed fine or annoying is the quality of the context. If it's in a good episode (or movie) one can more easily look past smaller issues, while a bad context rather manages to highlight even smaller problems because the bigger ones have already made you annoyed.
 

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