Season 5 Episode 7 Discussion "The Gift"

[DarthSkywalker]

Selyse, though. She's the wild card.

Now if Mel told her, bad things could happen. Though I think this could finally leave to her death, which would be welcomed.

 

[Marvolo]

The North's very own Ms Carmody.

"The day I need a daughter like you, I'll just have myself a little squat and **** one out. "

God, what a vile character.

 

[Victarion]

Something happens with Selyse. We still haven't had that scene from the trailer where she's in the snow. Hard to read Mel, honestly. I'm thinking of the scene from last season where she visited Shireen and said something like "My, my, you have so many questions." I can't tell what's going on in Mel's mind there.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Something happens with Selyse. We still haven't had that scene from the trailer where she's in the snow. Hard to read Mel, honestly. I'm thinking of the scene from last season where she visited Shireen and said something like "My, my, you have so many questions." I can't tell what's going on in Mel's mind there.

She's thinking, "I should have touched Jon Snow's hair."

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

tyene's going to ended up turning bronn into darkstar/oakheart, isn't she? i think that scene earlier where bronn killed that snake near jamie's head may have been a bit foreshadowing.

 

[BestGirl]

I think that the writers mistake "strong" with stupid. So you've got the sadistic psychopath who's been holding you captive, has you completely at his mercy, and has been raping/torturing you nightly for weeks, and you insult him to his face. Yeah that doesn't make her look "strong" it makes look like an idiot. Then again this entire plot has made her look like an idiot, so I probably shouldn't be surprised.

Didn't Myranda warn Sansa while she was watching her hair not to bore Ramsey? That could've motivated Sansa'a sass. Or maybe she's sick of being a victim and well knows that Ramsey can't kill her.

Idk if this is a possibility, but if word gets around the camp that burning Shireen could aleviate the army's current plight some in the army might take matters into their own hands out of pure desperation. Stannis wouldnt have much luck stopping a mob of desperate men dragging his daughter to the pyre. Do yall think Mel might orchestrate something like this by "leaking" the notion amongst the soldiers?

Itd be sad as ****. Shireen being dragged to a pyre while Stannis and Davos are trying to fight their way to her. Davos dies in the attempt and Stannis is emotionally broken by the sight of his daughter burning.

Oh God, I hope this doesn't happen. I want Stannis, Shireen, and Davos to survive so bad. It would be nice if Stannis were to rescue Shireen from being sacrificed and yet win the battle anyway. That could begin an arc in which he realizes that he doesn't need blood magic to take the throne; he had the capability to win the throne on his own merits the whole time.

 

[Marvolo]

tyene's going to ended up turning bronn into darkstar/oakheart, isn't she? i think that scene earlier where bronn killed that snake near jamie's head may have been a bit foreshadowing.

How would that work exactly? Do you think she is going to try to pay him to kill Myrcella?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Didn't Myranda warn Sansa while she was watching her hair not to bore Ramsey? That could've motivated Sansa'a sass. Or maybe she's sick of being a victim and well knows that Ramsey can't kill her.

Instead, he'll just kill and torture other people.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

How would that work exactly? Do you think she is going to try to pay him to kill Myrcella?

while that would be a bit of a leap for a sellsword, last episode she began trying to seduce him. arianne's scheme was to try and put myrcella on the throne but we know the snakes are on team ellaria and they want to avenge oberyn by killing myrcella.

 

[Marvolo]

while that would be a bit of a leap for a sellsword, last episode she began trying to seduce him. arianne's scheme was to try and put myrcella on the throne but we know the snakes are on team ellaria and they want to avenge oberyn by killing myrcella.

I doubt Tyene has the sort of cash required to outbid Jaime. Which is what she would have to do to turn Bronn. Turning against Jaime and attempting to kill Myrcella would put a massive target and bounty on his head if it went wrong and possibly even if it succeeded so thw reward would need to be substantial.

Im still hoping the Sandsnakes realize how stupid their revenge is. Killing an innocent girl isnt the same as Oberyn's own hubris and stupidity getting himself killed in a duel. Oberyn got himself killed. No Lannister forced him to prance around the Mountain hollaring when he should have been stabbing the Mountain in the face.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Something happens with Selyse. We still haven't had that scene from the trailer where she's in the snow. Hard to read Mel, honestly. I'm thinking of the scene from last season where she visited Shireen and said something like "My, my, you have so many questions." I can't tell what's going on in Mel's mind there.

Theres also the possibility of Yara's arrival. Gemma confirmed that she's in season 5, and we can't forget that Yara has King's Blood as well. I could see the alternative choice presenting itself there, or possibly Theon.

 

[Mad Ones]

That was a satisfying ending to that episode. Moments like those are few and far between. But it makes the Sparrows even more terrifying.

 

[Marvolo]

Theres also the possibility of Yara's arrival. Gemma confirmed that she's in season 5, and we can't forget that Yara has King's Blood as well. I could see the alternative choice presenting itself there, or possibly Theon.

I'd heard that she was going to show up. I'd love for her and Theon to get a reunion this season.

So the Battle of Winterfell...are we getting that this season or is Stannis going to spend the rest of the season trapped in a blizzard? We are quickly nearing the end of this season which is ****ing crazy. Feels like it just started.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I don't think Stannis is in the next episode, and I'd imagine they'll have to deal with the Shireen thing in episode 9, so I'm thinking that maybe they'll have Battle of Winterfell for very early in season 6 like the Purple Wedding was for season 4. Something big like that sounds like a Neil Marshall job, and unlike the last few seasons, 5/6 were renewed together, so they're probably far ahead in terms of their Pre-Production and planning.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

I doubt Tyene has the sort of cash required to outbid Jaime. Which is what she would have to do to turn Bronn. Turning against Jaime and attempting to kill Myrcella would put a massive target and bounty on his head if it went wrong and possibly even if it succeeded so thw reward would need to be substantial.

she doesn't have to have more cash, she has a ****. though, I'll admit that bronn is a little to smart for that. for now. i don't think he's leaving dorne alive. somebody is catching areo's axe before the season is over, and it aint gonna be jamie.

Im still hoping the Sandsnakes realize how stupid their revenge is. Killing an innocent girl isnt the same as Oberyn's own hubris and stupidity getting himself killed in a duel. Oberyn got himself killed. No Lannister forced him to prance around the Mountain hollaring when he should have been stabbing the Mountain in the face.

i think they will. they're going to get doran's speech.

 

[Marvolo]

I don't think Stannis is in the next episode, and I'd imagine they'll have to deal with the Shireen thing in episode 9, so I'm thinking that maybe they'll have Battle of Winterfell for very early in season 6 like the Purple Wedding was for season 4. Something big like that sounds like a Neil Marshall job, and unlike the last few seasons, 5/6 were renewed together, so they're probably far ahead in terms of their Pre-Production and planning.

Dang.

 

[Huddsy]

That was my guess as well. Honestly, right now some fans are in such a hissy fit that they are wanting to rip into the show about anything and everything first and ask questions later. So they are missing obvious stuff like Obara getting Bronns blood pressure up and the writers setting something up between her and Bronn.


I honestly think Obara has a soft spot for him. She still may kill him, but i think she likes him in a way and enjoyed ****ing with him.

No, I picked up on the blood pressure bit. Doesn't make it poorly done, and still quite needless. Could have had some talks and the poison started to work as they went, and no one would have batted an eye. But because they can, ****!

I don't hate nudity. But come on.

Which COULD have worked, if the scene/dialogue were better.

Yep.

It did work and it served its purpose. The scene and dialogue were fine. She sized Bronn up and gave him a show and it nearly killed him and she saved him and Bronn no doubt respects her capability more. Not sure what more yall needed.

It didn't work. It was laughable.

Do you also think the dialogue on Days of our Lives or some other daytime soap are "fine"?

Rapists attempting to rape...how outrageous!

The Wall is essentially a prison. A prison that now has no warden. If it hadnt been for the battle and Jon and Stannis and his army she would have been raped before now. And she's been told not to wonder by herself setting up a possible rape or attmpted rape down the line. So I dont think its surprising that this hapened not long after Stannis and Jon left. If everybodys precious flower Sansa hadnt just been had by Ramsay last episode I doubt anyone would be taking issue with this.

Its like part of the fanbase has forgotten what this show is or the world in which it takes place. Women get raped a lot in westeros. A woman wondering around Castle Black is in danger of rape. In high danger. And now that Jon and Stannis are gone nothing is stopping the guys from trying to get a piece of Gilly.

Could be wrong, but I think Sam is going to leave the Wall with her by the end of this season for her own safety. He knows that they arent safe there. Thorne has already threatened him. This is just one more thing thats confirming that Sam and Gilly arent safe.

Women get raped in modern society. Doesn't mean we have to show that every second scene in every movie.

"Well you see... this stuff happens in their world so we should just watch rape after rape because it's true!" Then go watch Game of Thrones parody-porn or something.

 

[chamber-music]

I want to see what Tommen will do now that his mother and wife are both locked up.

Tommen is in over his head.

 

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[Marvolo]

No, I picked up on the blood pressure bit. Doesn't make it poorly done, and still quite needless. Could have had some talks and the poison started to work as they went, and no one would have batted an eye. But because they can, ****!

I don't hate nudity. But come on.



Yep.



It didn't work. It was laughable.

Do you also think the dialogue on Days of our Lives or some other daytime soap are "fine"?



Women get raped in modern society. Doesn't mean we have to show that every second scene in every movie.

"Well you see... this stuff happens in their world so we should just watch rape after rape because it's true!" Then go watch Game of Thrones parody-porn or something.

Stop being hyperbolic. There has been one rape this season. Which we didnt see. If you cant handle this show and its world quit watching it. Gilly nearly getting raped is perfectly in line with the story and whats been established about the wall and its inhabitants.

And we are going to have to agree to disagree on the Bronn scene. I dont know what sort of soap operas youve watched but Ive never seen a scene like that Bronn scene in one.

 

[Huddsy]

Stop being hyperbolic. There has been one rape this season. Which we didnt see. If you cant handle this show and its world quit watching it. Gilly nearly getting raped is perfectly in line with the story and whats been established about the wall and its inhabitants.

And we are going to have to agree to disagree on the Bronn scene. I dont know what sort of soap operas youve watched but Ive never seen a scene like that Bronn scene in one.

I didn't say I'm going to stop watching, but if you don't see that rape, sexual violence, etc. are a played out shock for D&D, that is an issue with a progressive society that we should strive to be, then I don't know what to tell you.

I still love the show, but the best parts are: when it legitimately surprises you, beautiful character moments, etc. Gilly's almost rape, Sansa's shock rape, Jaime/Cersei, Mel's lame attempt to seduce John (poorly done) these have all been WEAK moments of the show. Tell me how the Jaime/Cersei scene was necessary? Tell me why Mel had to take her **** out instead of seducing John on an intellectual level (his desire to be great), akin to the book. Jaime/Cersei rape has been glossed over ENTIRELY on this show, and never been addressed. It's not only bad writing and bad story-telling, but it's wrong on a very human morale level.

While this show is set in a dangerous world, it should strive to tell stories that move us, make us examine the human condition, etc. The scenes in question have not done that, and likely will not. They are there simply because they can and because D&D have it in their mind that their audience loves mindlessness, when there are much smarter viewers, and the audience it has IS a much smarter audience than the ones watching American Idol or something.

We need more moments like Catelyn discussing Jon with Talisa. And when they bring you shock and violence, make it mean something. Tyrion shooting Tywin was a real moment. That was hauntingly beautiful and tragic. It was shocking and brought the story along, but it meant something.

 

[Thundercrack85]

So maybe I missed it, but should we assume that Catelyn's brother is dead?