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Supergirl Season 5, Episode 8: "The Wrath of Rama Khan" (Mid-Season Finale; SPOILERS)

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Last episode before Crisis!

MID-SEASON FINALE – Supergirl’s (Melissa Benoist) struggle against Leviathan reaches a boiling point as she faces off against Rama Khan (guest star Mitch Pileggi). Meanwhile, as Lena (Katie McGrath) and Hope (Andrea Brooks) work to launch Project Non Nocere, Hope proves to be an invaluable asset to Lena. Marcus Stokes directed the episode written by Lindsay Struman & Jessica Kardos (#508).
 
I hope the Monitor appears in the mid-season finale.
 
So far so good.
 
Well, this episode finally broke me. I don't think I can like or support Kara anymore. Heat visioning Kahn not knowing if it would kill him and bringing Lena to Kal's fortress? I get that she trusts Lena, and Kal trusts Kara, but it doesn't feel like her decision to make.

I'm really hating this season. The only thing I've liked about it so far has been some of the journalism stuff. The Martian stuff and romance stuff has felt so forced and distracting, and it feels like Lena is the lead. I think after this season I'm done. If the showrunners can't be bothered than neither can I.
 
I don't see Lena returning for the next season since she's gone full villain.

Someone pointed out that if it wasn't for the Crisis, they would have fleshed out all three storylines with Leviathan, Lena Luthor, and Malefic. I'm betting this midseason finale would have been the 5th season finale.
 
A reminder: Next week's Supergirl is a repeat of the season premiere. "The Wrath of Rama Khan" will air the following Sunday, December 1, at 9 p.m.

And then, the Crisis begins...
 
Well, this episode finally broke me. I don't think I can like or support Kara anymore. Heat visioning Kahn not knowing if it would kill him and bringing Lena to Kal's fortress? I get that she trusts Lena, and Kal trusts Kara, but it doesn't feel like her decision to make.

Since this episode has yet to air, I presuming you’re referring to “Tremors.” And I agree with your assessment. This sort of thing doesn’t make Kara look empathetic and trusting, it makes her look stupid.
 
Since this episode has yet to air, I presuming you’re referring to “Tremors.” And I agree with your assessment. This sort of thing doesn’t make Kara look empathetic and trusting, it makes her look stupid.

Oops. Sorry! I assumed it was because "Rama Kahn" was in the title.
 
Well, this episode finally broke me. I don't think I can like or support Kara anymore. Heat visioning Kahn not knowing if it would kill him and bringing Lena to Kal's fortress? I get that she trusts Lena, and Kal trusts Kara, but it doesn't feel like her decision to make.

I'm really hating this season. The only thing I've liked about it so far has been some of the journalism stuff. The Martian stuff and romance stuff has felt so forced and distracting, and it feels like Lena is the lead. I think after this season I'm done. If the showrunners can't be bothered than neither can I.
She has the ability to control the intensity of her heat vision so not every shot is a potential kill shot. Kara wasn't attacking an innocent person, Rama Khan was throwing boulders around so it was pretty clear he was up to no good.

The Fortress of Solitude is Krypton on Earth, it belongs to Kara just as much as Kal. She has every right to bring whoever she wants there, just as he does. Think of it as the El family vacation home that everyone uses.
 
Rama Kahn was also quite openly trying to kill Lena, and in a way that was putting a lot of other people at risk. I have no problem with Kara using her full powers to stop someone like that rather than trying modulate her response and risk losing.

As to the Fortress, Lena knows best about the weapon they needed that had been created by Lex. Plus, at that time, Kara had no reason to not trust Lena with something that she's trusted with James and Brainy and J'onn and Nia... Most of whom haven't had Clark holding up any objections. And since Clark has left all of Earth in Kara's care, I would say she has just as much right as Clark.
 
I wonder that while Supergirl and Martian Manhunter deal with Rama Khan and Andrea Rojas as well as the Kryptonite satellite that Alex, Brainiac 5, and hopefully Dreamer Nia Nal if she returns will confront Lena and Tessmacher/ Hope concurrently.
 
So as predicted, Lena just confirmed Eve is still around and therefore will inevitably be brought back.
 
The Rama Khan stuff is pretty pointless in this episode. I'm far more invested with the Kara/Lena arc and find the other stuff just distracting. I really wish they wouldn't do this sort of thing and run two story arcs when the emotional payoffs are so high.
 
Great season finale that shows that Supergirl and her team redeemed Malefic, but couldn’t with Lena yet.

About time that Supergirl gets involved with the Crisis buildup, though it may be too late. Looks like every show will end with the Nash Wells scene.
 
A solid episode. A little annoyed that they had Alex sabotage Kara's heartfelt plea to Lena, in order to make Lena think it was all just more deception because the plot needed her to, but eh, not surprised. And then to have Kara seem content to just let Lena go on thinking that is just...frustrating. I know they intend to address it eventually, but the way they constantly have Kara just resting on her laurels at the end of episodes when she should be trying extra-hard to communicate is something that constantly bugs me in this show. Melissa and Katie continue to kill it, though. And my comparison to Buffy's Faith arc continues in my head because now I see this whole redemption thing ending this season much like it did in that show: with Lena in prison, owning up to her own actions, and Kara visiting and supporting her there. But Faith later got out because they needed her, and I suspect if Lena goes that way, she will too.

I officially like Andrea now. And I think I'm gonna like Cara Buono's character being the main Leviathan baddie for a while over Mitch Pileggi. She seems better-suited to this, lol.

Odd that The Monitor is only reaching out to J'onn and Lex and not Supergirl.

Speaking of, I can't believe how filled with glee I am whenever Cryer's Lex shows up, but that's where I'm at now. He's delightful.
 
Pretty good episode, but I didn't care about the Rama Kahn stuff as much as the Lena/Kara stuff. Even though them making Kara feel like she's the bad guy in all of this just makes me mad. I'm glad Alex called Lena out on her BS to Kara.

The last of Rama Kahn? He was overacting almost every scene in this episode :funny:

Crisis is finally upon us!
 
Cryer's Lex is a great version of the character! Hope they don't kill him again...

As for Alex sabotaging Kara's holo-message if she hadn't then Miriad would have been up and running and Lena would have 'won.' So, props to her. She did good there.

Still don't like they way they ran with two story arcs in a mid-season finale rather than concentrating on one and giving it the full attention it deserves. It felt clunky to me and then overly rushed as they raced to finish them both, and so both ended up suffering in their follow-through.

Also wish Kara had been approached by or been made aware of the Monitor in a few previous episodes. Every other Arrowverse character will be able to hit the ground running when Crisis hits, but now they have to devote some of Kara's time in order to bring her up to speed. Wasted opportunities to not use her time in the crossover to full effect.

But, over and done. Bring on Crisis!
 
I hated it. It was overstuffed with plot and poorly paced, yet it still couldn't be bothered to feature characters like Kelly or Nia. Leviathan is just terrible. It is unbelievable that neither Pulitzer Prize winning Kara Danvers nor the DEO were able to secure a scrap of evidence to prove Lena was a criminal who deserves to be in prison. Utter incompetence.

The show is so afraid of giving Kara actual point of view that Alex had to list the reasons why Kara's inability to open up to Lena was not wholly selfish or manipulative. But, of course, Alex's truths had to be undermined by her advocating a strategy neither Kara nor the show would ever support. Even worse, it wasn't Kara who had the last word with Alex about what to do about Lena. It was J'onn. In fact, it was only J'onn's efforts to reconcile and trust Malefic that made a difference in this episode. And, more frustrating, only J'onn has contact with The Monitor. Supergirl seems very much like an afterthought on her own show. While her ideals are admirable and her faith that Lena can change will likely be rewarded, the show simply isn't serving her character well. She came across useless with Lena and useless with Khan. Her agency and perspective have been handled abysmally.

I still can't get over how poorly this show is handling the issue of killing villains. On the one hand, we have Kara taking responsibility for Lex's death in the previous episode (before Lena admitted she finished the job herself). But, then, we also have Kara advocating that Lena not be taken out because she can still be saved. So, which is it? Can only some villains be saved? Who decides if someone like Lex or Lena is beyond redemption? Why isn't Kara more upset that Lena betrayed Supergirl by tracking Lex and killing him in her name without her knowledge? Lena didn't inform Supergirl or Kara that Lex was still alive when she went to confront him, and this was before Lena knew of Kara's betrayal. Lena even has the gall to say she doesn't kill when she killed her own brother rather than inform the proper authorities of his whereabouts so he could be brought to justice. For Kara to not wrestle with that and, instead, have her justify Lena's actions ("She killed him to protect me, to protect all of us") is appalling. It doesn't make any sense!
 
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A decent enough episode with some good action scenes. I’m glad the relationship dramas weren’t given any air time this week no Nia and Kelly was a good thing imo and it shown they aren’t needed in this show. This episode had the right amount of key characters. But boy this Kara Lena stuff is really hard to swallow. Poor Melissa has to deliver some woeful lines of dialogue that even she couldn’t save. I really think this show needs some new writers.

The Crisis teases with the Monitor visiting Jonn & Lex Luthor’s return were easily the best part of the episode. Jon Cryer might be my favourite live action Lex Luthor now. He’s certainly up there with Rosenbaum.

As for the Tom Cavanagh one (which I assume is going to be tacked onto the end of every episode that leads into Crisis) was OK but I think we were spoilt by that Elseworlds one last season with Earth 90 Flash.
 
Odd that The Monitor is only reaching out to J'onn and Lex and not Supergirl.

Perhaps this is part of the deal Oliver made. The Monitor would have reached out to Kara and Barry originally, leading to their deaths.

I am curious how the two major threat threads will interact in the next half of the season.
 
Perhaps this is part of the deal Oliver made. The Monitor would have reached out to Kara and Barry originally, leading to their deaths.

I am curious how the two major threat threads will interact in the next half of the season.

I don’t think that lines up really as they were meant to die in Elseworlds not Crisis.
 
A decent enough episode with some good action scenes. I’m glad the relationship dramas weren’t given any air time this week no Nia and Kelly was a good thing imo and it shown they aren’t needed in this show. This episode had the right amount of key characters. But boy this Kara Lena stuff is really hard to swallow. Poor Melissa has to deliver some woeful lines of dialogue that even she couldn’t save. I really think this show needs some new writers.

The Crisis teases with the Monitor visiting Jonn & Lex Luthor’s return were easily the best part of the episode. Jon Cryer might be my favourite live action Lex Luthor now. He’s certainly up there with Rosenbaum.

As for the Tom Cavanagh one (which I assume is going to be tacked onto the end of every episode that leads into Crisis) was OK but I think we were spoilt by that Elseworlds one last season with Earth 90 Flash.
Yeah, I had a sense that their best writers want to be on Flash, and possibly the new Superman and Lois show. it does seem to perk up when Lex is around, but they do seem to be bored with Supergirl and that is a problem.
 

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