Season 6, Episode 5 "The Door" Discussion Thread

Exactly. It was the perfect tactic and she made it even more effective by enduring the attacks for a time before blowing it up. I'll miss them too and it would have been cool to see them fight together at the end.

That wall is definitely coming down some way or other and I think this will be a part of it, either an opening move or a finisher. I'd rather it took more combined efforts to bring the whole thing down.

 

I saw some speculation that the NK and his wights will just go through the Nightfort, assuming that's where Bran and Meera go to get south. It'd be more unsettling for the Night's Watch to be going about their business...when suddenly wights swarm Castle Black with that creepy, crawling thing they had going on why they attacked Bloodraven's cave.

 

Oh Im totally on board with that theory. I always(after las episode) thought Bran's mark would be their passage to the south. But i had troubld finding out how the Wall would fall. The NK cracking it would be an awesome shot.

 

I had that idea earlier in the thread. This is the only way Bran and Meera know to get past the Wall, and it's due south of Craster's.

I also thought that if the legend of the Night's King is true, then he will know the Nightfort and its secret ways. However, it seems clear to me now that D&D's "Night King" is only very loosely based on GRRM's idea, and probably not a former NW Lord Commander; he can't be both the first White Walker and that -the timelines don't match up.

 

Can someone explain something to me:

If the Wall is enchanted and the Walkers cannot pass through it... why is everyone in a tizzy? Cant they just let them chill on the other side of the wall

 

There's the possibility, at least in the books, that they can move about in the water. And possibly around the Wall.

 

No one knows they can't pass through the wall. (Show wise at least)

the first time its ever mentioned that they can't enter somewhere is the 3ER tree IIRC... so as far as everyone else besides Bran and Meera know... there's an army of zombies coming.

and they could probably go around it....

edit: and Roose just said that. what a slimy slimy man.

 

Do the characters actually know whether or not the wall is enchanted? It seems like the kinda thing that, after 8,000 years, wouldn't be a commonly held belief.

 

In the books, the legend has it that the Wall was created by the founder of House Stark, Bran the Builder, and the Children of the Forest, working ice and stone together and infusing it with spells and enchantments. The same thing is said about Storm's End. But it's so long ago, there's no proof and the characters aren't entirely sure.

 

I still think that the enchantment will break when Bran passes throught it. And then the NK will crack it the way he cracked the surroundings of BR's cave, like Marvolo said.

 

I think David Hasselhoff is going to be singing on top of it

 

how long is the wall?

we haven't seen the whole thing right?

 

it's about 300 miles..

 

I've seen a lot of theories that Bran will end up being Bran the Builder and be responsible for the Wall's construction. I could see that happening potentially, certainly more than Bran becoming the Night's King or the Lord of Light or something. You can only take this kind of power so far until the story just becomes tl;dr Bran did it. That would be counter intuitive to the intricate world GRRM and the showrunners have made.

 

Whoa. That episode was possibly one of the most intense of the series.

Wow.

 

There's no chillin', the Walkers are coming, and they've got the firepower to take the Wall down!

 

If he has that ability then why wasn't it used to annihilate the Wall millennia ago? I think the enchantment of the Wall may be proof against that. His cracking also seemed to stop and went around the enchanted(?) fire ring the CotF made in that scene, or so it appeared to me.

We'll see soon. Time's running out for this series so they better <ahem> get cracking!

 

That's the part where Daenarys flies in on Drogon and defeats them by shooting a grappling hook. Dak still dies.

 

That could be interesting. And yes him being the NK or LoL would be taking it way too far.

 

How much is this dude gonna F up?!

 

Hahaha yeah, Bran really f***ed up a LOT in this episode. Although to be fair, I think the Three-Eyed Raven intended for him to "create" Hodor. It seems odd that, after knowing that Bran had messed up and the NK could now walk right through the Raven's front door, he would suddenly insist that Bran go warging with him one last time to old Winterfell. Why exactly did they go there, especially when they knew the NK was coming? They didn't expect him to be there that quickly, but they had to know he'd be there soon.

The only reason I can think of is, the Raven had to make sure Bran created Hodor. If he didn't, then that could f*** up the entire timeline and Bran might have never made it to the Raven, thus undoing everything.

 

it had to happen. it already had happened. Bran changed the past. I wonder if Bran is both Bran the builder and the 3 eyed Raven? I wonder if he went back to the past and stayed? Maybe he didn't age much in the tree. Maybe he's attempted to fix things several times and is stuck in a loop? So he tries to educate himself early so he can break the loop. Learn from previous mistakes.

 

Here is something to support that theory.

Yeah that pretty much kills that theory. But it can be that the NK needed a Stark to brand, which is why I have a personal theory that he branded Benjen, but Benjen knows this so he keeps away from the Wall.
Yeah. Im crazy lol. But hey! At least im not thinking Benjen=Euron=Daario.t:

 

What does it mean to get 'branded' here? Thanks.

 

The way the NK gripped Bran which then allowed his forces to breach the magical security of the 3ER's treecave.