Season 6x19: Success is Assured (Season finale)

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  1. Speed Force Goober

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    Barry considers a risky plan to save Iris from the Mirrorverse; Ralph attempts to stop Sue from making a grave mistake that could destroy her life.

     
  2. Speed Force Goober

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    Certainly left on a cliffhanger. I guess we'll have to finish this storyline up next season...
     
  3. vantheman77 Superman Fan 4 Life

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    I'd say the future Sue Dibny shined in the season finale. Natalie Dreyfuss took over the show's instagram.
     
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    So what's up with Cisco? I don't read spoilers so did he actually leave for good or is he coming back
     
  5. kane9321 oakland's finest

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    Lack of flash..in the flash PISSED ME OFF
     
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  6. herolee10 No More Miracles

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    If the action seen in this episode is what the executive producers defines as being "big" then that is just sad.

    The action in the third act was such a joke. I can't believe that they have to dumb down Ralph so much whenever Sue is involved in a fight scene just to make her relevant. He should have been able to beat all three women without that much difficulty.
     
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  7. The Caped Knight Shield Avenger

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    Well that was a waste geeze . I thought Barry speed was completely depleted in the previous episode

    I've lost interest and she is definitely not Mirror Master.
     
  8. Prettyricky Registered

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    Hard for me to judge this season given they cut it short beyond there control. The first half with bloodshot was interesting and the godspeed teases I felt were leading to this seasons finale or next season first half story. Female mirror master was a better villain reboot then female cicada last year. Lord knows when they will start filming the new season but this cliffhanger didn't leave me wanting more, just came off like another episode tease.
     
  9. Ninjablade Not as bad as it looks

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    This was fine, I guess. Not a great season finale, but that's not really their fault. I hope whenever we resume they don't stretch this story out even more just so it takes up everything before the midseason break. The Iris story has already gone on long enough and it's not even interesting as is.

    Overall this season was better than last, but that's kind of a low bar. Probably the same as season 4, maybe. I'd need to watch it again. That one has some higher highs, but lower lows than this one. This one started high and then settled on meh post-Crisis. I've only liked two episodes since then.
     
  10. Flash525 The Scarlet Messenger

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    I know this was probably the best they could do under the circumstances, but I’m not impressed really.

    Sue was the highlight of this episode, didn’t care about Caitlin - she hasn’t been relevant for a while now anyway. Cisco’s absence was only really noticed at the end for me too.

    As for our Mirror Mistress, not a very impressive villain, although at least this one isn’t an enemy of Team Flash, but rather a villain with an agenda.

    When you compare the likes of Cicada, De Voe, Zoom, Grodd etc; they’ve all had an actual vendetta against Barry. That’s not quite the case this time!

    Now the long wait for Season 7.
     
  11. Dark Raven The Gal from Themyscira

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    Yeah it was rather mediocre. Eva is a boring villain and the Iris plotline is dull. I agree Sue was the highlight. She's much more watchable than others.
     
  12. Babillygunn New Age Outlaw

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    I thought Eva was ok. And I liked her better than Bloodwork once she got out. Iris in the looking glass however is a different story.

    the action sucked. Team Flash is too big. Barry is now like a poor guy who makes it big overnight and is surrounded by hangers-on. As much as I like Cavanaugh, I’m so over the last few Wells’.

    Next year: repair Frost. Get rid of Cecile, Wells, UV Light girl, Cisco and his girlfriend, and just have Frost and Ralph on team Flash. And for goodness sake, get this man a speed force.
     
  13. flashpo1nt Registered

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    this season has been alright but not as good as other seasons, and everyone keeps saying this was cut short, well they left us with episode 19....season 5 had 22 episodes, so were only missing 3 from season 6.

    I figured by now they would've beaten eva and gotten iris back and spend more time getting the artificial speedforce to work but they've focused more on barry losing his speed and basically weak in comparison to his normal self, other than the odd burst of success.

    yet nobody seems to be trying to get the speedforce back, and all this godspeed stuff I'm tired of just because he reminds of zoom just in white, another speedster only faster because he steals speed from others...a speedster on steroids.

    people keep saying he's faster because of the comics but godspeed in the comics (august heart) stole speed from lots of speedsters and even though he had certain abilities when you talk about raw speed with no additional speed from stealing then barry allen is much faster than godspeed.

    godspeed is only fast because he stole tons of speed from many different speedsters, the way zoom did on the show except zoom stole from different earths, plus velocity.

    also in the comics with godspeed they mention an infused speedforce storm Dr. Carver....started to make me think if that's partly how barry will get his speed back.

    remember that device they threw into the speedforce to stabalize it when they rescued wally from the prison savitar was in, without a source they needed to do something so barry threw that device into the speedforce.

    I'm wondering if that device turned up somewhere else after crisis, and the team will find and use that to get barry's speed back full power again, OR use it to build the artificial speedforce and use that to build on future storylines for the next season.
     
  14. NotGoodAtNames Registered

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    Or how about Barry goes solo? He really doesn't need a team. The team does nothing but him look like an incompetent hero. He definitely doesn't need two non-speedsters as backup.

    Also, there is no repairing Killer Frost. They butchered her character. Unless you want another retcon in her story (seasons 4 and 5) or a dumb living life story (season 6), there is nothing that can be done. Either they write her off or just fade into the background. It's time they move on trying to give her story.
     
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  15. Lencho01 Shazoogle! Shazoogle!

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    It was a "whatever" episode for me, overall. Not that great of a finale, but what can you do?

    Still wish we didn't see Thawne at all.
     
  16. Babillygunn New Age Outlaw

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    I really like Panabaker, but you may be right. She should’ve had a tragic fall into villainy and then stayed there and been a recurring villain. That is one of the biggest errors of the show, along with totally messing up the Rogues. Captain Cold, Heatwave, weather wizard, Top, Trickster, and a properly done Mirror Master should’ve been a mainstay if this show. They should come in at least once or twice a season, much like they have done with Grodd.
     
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    Considering all that's happening, I'm aright with what we got. Unfortunately, they'll never top the success of the first season, as all the others have been hit or miss. But still, I'm liking this Mirror Master better than the pre-Crisis one. He seemed like more of a walking joke, or that's just how I remember him, which isn't saying much either. She doesn't come off as just a random villain of the week just looking for a bank to rob, who it just so happens can walk through mirrors.

    And as pointed out above, at least her vengeance is not directed at Barry. He's just a nuisance to her.

    But, in his last fight with MM, what she did should have almost killed him. Forcing that mirror shard straight through his shoulder would have left a gaping wound, and as we saw when Mirror-Iris was battling him in the apartment, his super speed-healing ain't what it used to be. He should have been on the floor bleeding out, and then being rushed to a hospital!

    As for Barry bemoaning his lack of speed, I'd agree that they have dragged that on more than long enough. If he was confident in leaving the leading role to Ralph before then he should be confident to do it now and concentrate on getting his speed back. Whole episodes should have been given to him researching and experimenting on recreating Thrawn's work.

    Now, as for paring down the team, I'd say Ralph has got to go. I don't understand what the charm is with the guy. Either they have to dumb down Barry when they share an episode in order to make Dibney look competent or they dumb him down when Sue is on when they don't have to, because Sue is a lot better than he is already!

    And dumbing down is the problem with not having strong enough villains. In the fight scene, Ralph was getting a handle on the woman with the laser gun, but in the next scene he was backing away from her and they all bumped into each other in the middle. If you have a strong enough villains, then that is someone that the hero has to constantly push himself to beat and overcome. If you have weak villains, then you see what we got there, where somehow the hero is 'dumbed' down enough in order to make it look like it's tougher than they made it to be.

    Now Cisco, I thought he had his Vibe back! He got it back during Crisis, but then what, he took the cure again?! Talk about still being a stupid decision.. And we lost his whit and humor along the way which was far worse than voluntarily ditching his powers.

    Cecile, as we saw when Mirror-Iris fooled them in the labs, her powers are hit or miss and just depend on the need of the story to see how well they'll perform. I'd tone her way down and only really show her in relation to Joe. Give him his little slice of home life, but that's it.

    Frost, I'd stop 'worfing' her all the time! She has these big bad cold powers, but she's always being beaten. When they have her be 'all show but no go' for a fight, then what's the point? Brainy Kaitlyn contributed more with just her mind. And though I am glad they dropped 'Killer' from her moniker, I think they melded too much of Kaitlyn with her. I miss Front's cold snarky-ness. She was abrupt and even a bit mean, but you could still show that she cared and that was just the way she was. She didn't need a Dib'ploma...:whatever:

    This new Wells I don't mind at all. Most Wells I've liked, even Sherluc. Sherluck..? The French Sherlock. I still think Earth 2 Wells was the best though and was really hoping he would come back. But I'm liking this one and his dynamic with Allegra.

    As to Iris... I don't know how important she is in the comics, but maybe she should have a tragic death scene in a season-soon-to-come. Maybe they could find a way to get Nora back, but they end up losing Iris in the bargain - which would have the added bonus of getting us something like first season Barry when he was all angtsy about losing his mom.

    And bring back Wally and Julian! Damn I miss them.
     
  18. herolee10 No More Miracles

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    You'd think that since there's a generation gap between this show and "Smallville" that there would be better fight choreography. Clearly that isn't the case.

    It was so embarrassing to see on how Eva's Black Hole Trio were fighting in this episode. Feel like Season 1 Oliver could have killed all three without breaking a sweat.
     
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    That fight scene was poorly choreographed. It seemed like they didn't have time to actually make it look good.
     
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    It's Cisco and Caitlin that dumb Barry down, not Ralph. Don't get me wrong, Ralph can go, but he's not responsible for Barry looking dumb. The whole team can actually go. We're about to go into season 7. Why does Barry still need a team? This man has super speed, yet he brings non speedsters as backup? He can easily swoop in to save the day. I don't understand why they keep having him run to a scene and stop in front of a meta. They have him waiting to get hit basically. He should really just run in and put cuffs on the meta like that. I get Barry is OP, but they need to do better. I'm tired of seeing Barry looking incompetent.

    I assume you never read the comics. That is fine. However, even if you never read the comics, you should still know that Iris is a major character in them just like Wally and Eobard. She's never going to die. And I'm not a fan of killing off female characters for manpain. Wtf? This goes for any show. I don't get this. Why should she have to die?
     
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    That was mostly flippant, but okay...
    I get that she's a major character, but not having read the comics, which probably pulls off her story a lot better than the TV version, I don't see her as all that special. Maybe it's just the actress or the way she's written, but I just don't feel her.
    As for killing off a character, I never said to do it for 'manpain.' It is very often used for drama/motivation, something to kick off the hero's journey, and doesn't have to be a woman, although this show has used it in regards to Barry's mother. And later his father.
    But maybe they could just recast her..?:o

    And the dumbing down of Barry is most evident when it is a Ralph-centric episode. They trump him up as 'James Bond' and suddenly Barry loses half of his smarts. Personally, I'm fine with Caitlyn and Cisco being smarter than Barry in some areas. A hero being able to do anything and everything all by themselves can get pretty boring pretty quickly. That, and I like them better than Ralph.:D
     

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