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Discussion in 'Arrow' started by NotNickFury, Nov 13, 2018.
I get Oliver being skeptical of Black Siren, but at the same time, Earth-2 Laurel has made an effort. But then, he doesn't know that, so not too surprised about him still giving her the cold shoulder.
And holy crap, Batwoman in that Elseworlds promo looked great.
really enjoyed this episode, one of the rare times they manage to put all of the cast to decent use.
One of the things I enjoyed was seeing all the different interactions that we got. Just about everyone got to work together and we finally got to see everyones reaction to Felicity working with Laurel.
Felicity has been on a path of revenge since the season began and she almost gave into full temptation tonight, I'm sure to help support the suspicion that she went dark in the future which I doubt though I wouldnt be against it. Felicity taking on The Calculator name makes me want an E2 crossover SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad! I want to see everyone get to interact with their counterparts and see truly ruthless Felicity. I'm just really hoping that they let future Felicity (because she aint dead) have a ruthless side to her and something that she just lets go after this Diaz arc. I had to laugh when Roy was all "who would want to hurt Felicity" ugh.....plenty of people...she's made a lot of enemies over the years by being part of TA. Diggle giving her a pep talk like dude you havent been there for her emotionally at all this season. Do you two even go out to lunch and just talk about whats going on in each others lives anymore or how she's dealing? You're being a ****ty friend. All of this just makes me think "Where is Felicity living right now?" this is something I really need to know and does she even still have protection? All of this was dropped pretty quickly. I'd expect her to move in with Diggle and fam but at this point just let her live with Laurel until Oliver gets out.
Laurel got plenty of to do tonight and I loved it. I enjyoed that she hit a road block in TA/Oliver because getting in on their good graces shouldn't be easy, they should doubt her and she should have to deal with "I'm trying to be a good person but these people just tell me I'm bad, am I just bad? Can I be redeemed?" and she was about to let go and just give in when she didnt results she wanted. I noticed that they have gone out of their way to put her in white when she has 1:1 scenes with Dinah and Dinah in black/darker colors. TA talking about her as if she isnt there and her being "ugh standing RIGHT here" was a good comedic moment, I got a laugh out of it. Curtis chiming in about "you forgot my birthday!" was not though. Laurel/Oliver scene was also really good though I could've used a pinch more snark from her and remind Oliver that he's worked with bad guys in the past so Felicity working with her shouldnt be a surprise. Here's hoping we get a scene with those 3 in the future.
The team getting Diaz seemed way to easy and then Felicity/Laurel are able to waltz in like its no big deal? I cant belive that Dinah would not have an entire team guarding that room, let alone Diggle not getting Argus involved.
The things that stuck out are Earth-2 Dinah Laurel trying to help Oliver and Felicity’s fate in the flash forward.
I thought this was the best episode of the season so far!
Really good yet again, although Diaz is a bit **** really.
I know Oliver’s prison sidekick wasn’t to he trusted but I don’t think he’s a mastermind of any kind. I think he’s taking orders from Diaz and supplying information.
Arrow has been great so far this season and this is another solid episode. This episode arguably has Katie Cassidy's best performance in the show so far and I'm liking the Black Siren redemption arc. I had a feeling that Stanley wasn't to be trusted and it's clear that he probably had Brick frame Turner for the stabbing. However I can decide whether he's working for Diaz or he had his own agenda. It looks like this episode and the fast forward is hinting at Felicity becoming more ruthless/cold which could be a interesting to watch. Diaz scene with Felicity is the only interesting thing that he's ever done in the show.
Honestly Arrow is the best Arrowverse show atm.
Liked it a lot. Still have trouble seeing Felicity as dark and revengy. I like how she flinched at the end when Diaz pounded the table. And it was a nice turn around for Laurel. In a previous scene, Dinah is talking her out of assaulting that judge and then here she is now standing on that other side and talking someone out of a revenge kill. And no, it shouldn't be easy for Team Arrow to begin trusting her and I'm liking the hurtles in her way, though the inroads she's making with Dinah and Felicity are nice.
And of course Stanley isn't all innocent and weak as we've seen. I still think he's the major bad guy in Slabside, but even if he isn't, he's no Andy Dufresne.
My one major gripe, is how easy it was to capture Diaz. He's supposedly taking a super strength serum, so what happened to that?! He cleaned up up the Bratwurst... Baudville... Bratval..? pretty easily and now he's got nothing!?
And what was that with Anatoly in the beginning? I'm trying to think it's a set up, maybe to get Diaz where he wants to be, basically in prison facing off against Oliver, but he doesn't need to be caught by the SCPD to do that, as we've seen in next week's trailer. Or go through such a roundabout means with Anatoly to do that either.
Oh well, it looks like next week this arc may be coming to a head.
Whilst it's been somewhat obvious from day one that he's not innocent in all of this, I can't quite imagine that he'd be so foolish as to slip up when talking to Ollie about the knife. I think he's being played; I don't think Stan is the man we need to be concerned about.
I'd like to think that Arrow is following the Flash pattern (in that apparently the Flash is to introduce a multi-arc season). Diaz should have been written out last year, let alone be ongoing this season - and for what? This? I'm hoping we'll not be seeing Diaz for much longer, though I am curious about that serum like you've said. Nothing has quite seem to come of it yet.
I really liked Laurel's courtroom scene. It's showing a real growth in her character past BS.
I think Stanley could be a Keyser Soze-type character who has several of the inmates working for him.
Good to see some character development from Laurel.
Maybe Diaz wants to be caught. Perhaps he has some plan.
He seems such an underdog character though; unless he's like that guy last season (can't remember his name now, but played Ben on Lost) in that he's intellectually smart and has something on the inmates families (although the inmates in question don't quite seem the type to have families) and if Stan was an intelect, he'd not have slipped up with the knife comment (unless that slip was intentional, but I can't fathom quite what the gain would be).
Guess we'll see as it unravels. Thing is though, between him being brought out of the celler and released in the cafeteria, there's actually a good chance he would have simply overheard someone mention the knife situation.
Seems unlikely he would've overheard. Yes, he plausibly could have in real life, but unlikely in these kinds of shows. Either it was a genuine slip up (because the writers wanted to show that there was something sinister behind him and he was behind it), or he did drop that information to Ollie to set him on edge and let him know what he can do. But I'm inclined to go with the first option. He is intellectually smart, but the writers wanted to show he was a villain so allowed the slip.
There are often slips by smart people in these kinds of shows or films. In Primal Fear, with Richard Gere and Ed Norton (which was one of his earliest roles), Norton was a very clever and calculating criminal, but fooled everyone into thinking he had a dual personality. But he did make a slip in the end that gave the game away after he had been acquitted.
We can't reason that someone that intelligent couldn't have made a slip. First off, these people are only human. Second, their hubris often gets the better of them. And third, the writers allow the slip to let the audience in that something is not right.
I'm thinking Stanley could be like Edwin from Predators. Looks all weak on the outside, always needing help, but a psychopath on the inside.
I have a question when Talia said she had a run in with a old foe in Gotham whom was she talking about. Man or woman.
Could've been either, but my money is currently on Batwoman because she's getting her own show, and Batman hasn't been on the scene in, what was it, three years? Whoever Talia was caught by was within those three years, so it couldn't have been Batman. It was likely Batwoman if there's anything to build on there, otherwise it was just a throwaway like to appease the fans considering Talia and Batman have a history.
That's why i asked wouldn't seem right putting his childs mom in jail.