The Flash Season 7x01: All's Wells That Ends Wells

[Arrow1987]

so is barry's speed back permantely now or are his powers on a temporary basis.

 

[Flash525]

And so thus all that ends Wells.....

So is Wells gone for good now?

Hah, not a chance. When they're done with Thawne, another Wells will somehow show up. I'm kinda' hoping it'll be the first ever Wells too - the one that Thawne killed to take his face.

so is barry's speed back permantely now or are his powers on a temporary basis.

The way I understand it, so long as that device remains active, so does Barry. It's certainly not the speed force we're familiar with.

 

[Primal Slayer]

The Flash (finally) opened Season 7 with 1.04 million total viewers and a 0.3 demo rating, down from both its previous averages (1.26 mil/0.4) and its May finale (1.1 mil/0.4) to hit and match series lows.

Ratings: Flash, New Amsterdam Return Down; The Voice and NCIS Dominate

Ouch! Sure its S7 but that was a quick drop from #1 to #3 on the network

 

[Kev4000]

Ratings: Flash, New Amsterdam Return Down; The Voice and NCIS Dominate

Ouch! Sure its S7 but that was a quick drop from #1 to #3 on the network

A logical consequence with a more and more repetive story and lose the focus completly.

 

[legendkillin]

so is barry's speed back permantely now or are his powers on a temporary basis.

Well he "Killed" the speed force last season or two and

Spoiler

the Wells Force is artificial

so I doubt it will last. Should be enough to stop boring Eva.

 

[legendkillin]

Ratings: Flash, New Amsterdam Return Down; The Voice and NCIS Dominate

Ouch! Sure its S7 but that was a quick drop from #1 to #3 on the network

Not that surprising, I didn't know it was coming back until a week ago and last season never really ended. This is more of a continuing of the bad storyline and Barry is with 2 no name characters they just brought in last season.

 

[Sithborg]

Yeah, they need to reunite the team ASAP. There is no chemistry with the JV team.

 

[Web-Head]

Yeah, they need to reunite the team ASAP. There is no chemistry with the JV team.

Yeah like I said when discussing my thoughts on this episode, it would have been a little bit better if we had Caitlin and Cisco instead of the JV team.

 

[Gaultheria]

so is barry's speed back permantely now or are his powers on a temporary basis.

I’ll guess that at some point this season Team Flash will discover that the machine does not and never has produced or channeled speed force, and that Barry has always had the ability to generate it naturally. Barry’s power works best when he lets go of his fears and his self-doubt. If it turns out that Barry only needed to get past that mental block and run in order to use his power to its full potential, I think that would fit the kind of universe-rules the show has established.

 

[Arrow1987]

I wonder if since Eva knows the truth about herself now if that might change her plans.

 

[wwkirk]

I wonder if since Eva knows the truth about herself now if that might change her plans.

I'm not 100% clear about what the video signifies. Carter was certainly in league with criminals, but was he responsible for her death, or the creation of her duplicate? It didn't seem so. Also, if he never trapped the original Eva in the mirror universe, did he deserve to be killed rather than just sued?

 

[Gaultheria]

I'm not 100% clear about what the video signifies.

The filename "FOR EVA" sounds like "forever", as if mirror-Eva is an immortal demon or something. Anything like that in DC lore?

 

[wwkirk]

The filename "FOR EVA" sounds like "forever", as if mirror-Eva is an immortal demon or something. Anything like that in DC lore?

I don't know. But Eva was genuinely shocked. Don't demons typically know what's going on?

 

[Gaultheria]

I don't know. But Eva was genuinely shocked. Don't demons typically know what's going on?

I know, I'm grasping as straws with that filename. To me, it sounds like a goofy play on words, like an Apokolips name.

 

[flickchick85]

Keep comments civil and respectful, please.

 

[Dark Raven]

What discovery was it that Iris made?

Eva is just as boring as ever. Where did this mirror duplicate come from?

All the Wells every season were getting boring and tiresome. Would've preferred Harry but now I suppose it's not a great loss Cavanagh is gone. Even his Thawne has become a parody.

Has Joe West hurt his back again? He seems to be sitting a lot.

Not a great season opener.

 

[signalman]

I had a BIG SMILE when Barry channeling French Wells mentions KING TUT and Earth-66.

 

[Erik20]

Cisco should've been there if you're doing the whole "Wells is sacrificing himself" moment. Now Barry was basically the only one in the room who had a real connection with Wells, the other two barely knew him...

 

[flashpo1nt]

I’ll guess that at some point this season Team Flash will discover that the machine does not and never has produced or channeled speed force, and that Barry has always had the ability to generate it naturally. Barry’s power works best when he lets go of his fears and his self-doubt. If it turns out that Barry only needed to get past that mental block and run in order to use his power to its full potential, I think that would fit the kind of universe-rules the show has established.

I hope so because permanently changing it to an AI speed force will have me not liking the show anymore.

There's a simple rule when producing comic book characters onto the big screen....you keep everything the same, while having a bit of freedom to change minor things like appearance, costume design and some storylines can be altered to a certain extent.

You don't kill the speed force and then provide this garbage of now having an AI version of it.

I will continue to watch but if this becomes permanent then I will no longer watch the show, it seems drastic but it would be like changing kal-el as not being from krypton instead from kandor or some other planet.

Either the AI speed force is temporary until barry discovers how to resurrect the original form of the speed force OR as you said a mental block similar to like clark on smallville, just holding back, not embracing the role to the fullest but always had the abilities/potential just did not tap into it until later.

 

[flashpo1nt]

My feedback on the show is....something seemed to go wrong when they created the AI speedforce, whether it's how they built (materials used) or the way they used nash as a organic conductor.

my guess nash dna is linked to wells, and the real wells is linked to thawne because when thawne used that device to swap bodies it allowed his body/dna to be a conduit so when all the wells were brought back to life so was thawne.

the AI speedforce was shutdown, my guess when barry threw lightning at it to destroy it that he must of had some residual speedforce left to allow him to do that.

However, I'm sure everyone noticed that shortly after barry's lightning was blue, and I don't think he was extracting velocity x from frost because like he said during there battle that the velocity x was pretty much out of her system which meant no more speed so there wouldn't be speed or blue lighting being sucked out of frost and transferred to barry.

my guess, possibly when his mind was working a super speed it subconsciously made him generate the speed force like he does in the comics which is why his lightning was blue because there's no reason why that should have happened, it wasn't like barry injected himself with velocity x.

this is actually a good way of explaining this if the writers are going that direction.....this would put a rest to the AI speed force which i did not really like and still hoping that's not the permanent speed force.

This would also explain why thawne could be back....now that barry has tapped into the ability to generate the speed force, he is the engine and without him nobody has speed but all of a sudden we see clips of thawne and reverse flash....barry obviously plays the biggest role in all speedsters lives, basically they all need him or they have no speed, and i'm sure reverse flash knew all this was going to happen which is why he seems to never die for good, he's always a step ahead.

remember when he came out of the speed force he was talking all wierd, writing down those symbols, and then he went and saved iris from samuroid and cysco said he's never seen barry run that fast, actually he says no speedster has gone that fast....maybe it's like he was able to tap into more of his abilities, I think his brain being at super speed COULD have allowed him to tap into the ability to re-generate the speed force and therefore be the engine for him and all others without really knowing that it happened.

 

[Richard Hayter]

Deary me what has become of The Flash... I still watch because I'm invested at this point but its been on a downward trajectory for some time now. Basically they can't do a good villain that isn't a speedster so time to go back to what they can do.