Season 7x03: Mother

There was almost no point in bringing back original Wells if he's just going to relive his glory days in a Groundhog Day loop. What was the need for him? Couldn't Barry have figured things out for himself while at Iris's side when he emitted the spark?

And they are really leaning into the whole "we are the Flash" thing that Iris said since it seems as if she's the one who can give him his speed force back and completes him.

I don't mind Ralph leaving but they should've kept Sue around. She's far more interesting and the series could've done with someone like Natalie Dreyfuss. Why do we need Allegra and Chester?

Eva has been a boring villain from start to finish. How does she suddenly turn over a new leaf at the end and is allowed to escape to the mirrorverse? And how is she going to start a new world there? Who else is there with her since she claimed she was so alone before Iris arrived? It's not like there are other people to interact with unless she has kept some people prisoner.

And if she goes back to the mirrorverse, isn't the itchiness going to come back? They didn't give her any skin cream before she left?

 

Well that was something. Blind Wave's Erik's reaction was telling. "This was not my favorite."

 

I'll give it a go, just my guess.

First off thought it was a lame concept on bringing the speed force back based on barry's love for iris. I would think his emotions would've been stronger when savitar harpooned her with his armor right infront of barry....he had just as much love then as he did with mirror version iris, saying barry's love is so strong with iris is what ignited the speed force to me is a quick easy solution.

also iris shouldn't even have any impact on his speed other than being morally supportive and basically by his side and love....not have the ability to activate his powers on like a light switch.

even i could've come up with a better story line on ways they could've got his speed back instead of what the writers came up with.

Also is the speed force even the same as before because they still had to power up that device and then all it did was shoot lightning into barry, same way it did when they used it the first time.....they never showed the speed force as it was (in barry's mind it's his mother) and like an alternate reality for speedsters....all we got was another version of wells and the same thing they did last time, had someone touch the sphere and all of a sudden barry has speed back, it was a kind of lame.

I think the expanding lighting was all the speedsters getting there speed back, that's why you seen all the colors, red, yellow, orange, blue...my guess is now that barry has his speed back they all have there speed good and bad speedsters.

if they wanted to address barry being the key or the one who generates the speed force so all speedsters have it, they could've done a much better job especially if this is what they were trying to do.

 

I think they'll go the full ten seasons, and maybe cap it there.

Flash is one of the CW's biggest shows, and with Arrow gone, it's not the leading CWDC series. The people behind the scenes will want to keep that up.

If the cast and crew are happy, I expect they'll stick around. As good as Gustin is as Barry, he hasn't quite had the doors opened for him that say, Melissa has.

Its no fault of Candice, but I really don't like Iris on this show. This latest act seemingly solidified the notion that they are the Flash, rather than Barry. The whole paragon of love element is, and will forever be a joke (much like the Crisis crossover event).

I believe we've discussed this quite recently, but the way the speed force is written in the show is not only a joke, but also doesn't make sense. It either is, or it isn't.

Barry losing his speed shouldn't have any impact on other speed force users, because the speed force isn't time relative. Barry is.

If Barry loses his speed in 2021, why would Jay lose his speed in the 1980's, or Thawne/Godspeed in the 2040's? Or any other speedster at any other point in time? They wouldn't.

Their speed exists in a time that's relative to when and where they're using it.

 

if the writers don't stop contrdicting the stories and coming up with lame stories or idea's that a kid could come up with then I don't want more seasons.

sometimes I think the goal is to hit more seasons rather than put out good stories that make sense and fans want to see....sometimes a shorter amount of seasons is much better than 8 or more that just keep dragging on the story with garbage writing and story lines....unfortunately the flash writers have already done stuff like this and as a fan doesn't make me optimistic to see more seasons.

barry has lost his speed before, why couldn't he just touch iris to get a spark and get speed back before....which I think is garbage writing. Iris has never and should never have any affect on barry getting his speed back.

It's one thing to have strong love and maybe barry as the flash accomplishes a feat he's never done but that's just because he pushes himself to his true potential based on the desire to save or protect that person or people....no different than superman protecting lois as an example.

also they used the sphere the same way they did nash...how does that tell us that the speed force is back, also iris saying we need you....who's we, it's not iris saying that so is that the speed force talking to barry through iris saying we need you, like she did when blood reign infected her, I think at some point the speed force said to barry we need you.

I'm at the point now when I'm asking when is the show going to end and barry actually solidifies himself as the fastest man alive, because it seems everyone who gets speed outruns barry or can keep up to him....I would stick around for a season 8 but season 8 or 9 at the most should be the end finale to the story.

the story is about barry becoming the flash and eventually reaching that status as fastest man alive.....with the mentoring and time he's been a speedster he still seems behind all his enemies, the only one who was weaker was the rival all others gave barry a good run for his money.

the fact wally comes back and has had speed way less time and can do stuff barry can't is a great example even if wally spent time being in tune with the speed force.

the writers are taking the same approach as smallville. clark never embraced or accepted his destiny until the end and at that point he embraced being kal el of krypton and superman with his abilities.

I can see this show following the same format, barry is the flash but not at his true or full potential until the very end where the writers will hopefully make barry prove why he's the fastest man alive and the flash.

 

When the show ends I want Barry in the very last episode comparing himself against all the speedsters and concluding he's definitely not the fastest man alive.

 

Damn needed some chips with this cheese, maybe one of the worst ends to an arc. Hey villain "You are doing wrong look around you" duh they have been telling Eva she was wrong all along. Iris stopping her mirrors all of a sudden changed her mind?

 

This was pretty much a single episode or two parter expanded into a season-long arc.