Comics Sensational Spiderman 29# *potential spoilers*

[Willowhugger]

It's only been a couple of issues but the hypocrisy of Spiderman's so-called friends is starting to overwhelm me. For example, Liz Allan's reaction is to blame Spiderman for all the death in their lives (excuse me for marrying THE MOLTEN MAN you dumb waste of skin!)

Also, I'm rather annoyed that ALL of Spiderman's villains seem to think that attacking MJ is the way to go. Seriously, you'd think that some of them would have the integrity not to. I hope Venom shows up to break the neck of a few of them to point out that their beef is with Spidey (real Venom, not Scorpion).

 

[The Joker]

What villains were featured in this one besides Chameleon, Molten Man and Swarm??

 

[Willowhugger]

Will-O-Wisp and the Scarecrow.

They're essentially treated as fun joke villains. Will-O-Wisp is horrified to find that Spiderman doesn't even remember him and Spiderman is stunned to find that he has a Scarecrow too (Batman joke).

 

[The Joker]

Bah! D-list villains. Is this the best the Chameleon could find?? I know he hasn't a chance of getting the likes of Doc Ock, Mysterio, Vulture etc to take orders from him.

But damn, those are crappy villains he's got there.

 

[Willowhugger]

I'm amazed that the Chameleon of all people is taking this so hard.

It's bizarre that Doctor Octopus and Mysterio have the nobility to take it outside to deal with Peter rather than endanger his students yet Chameleon deliberately attacks him.

Mary Jane also gets mobbed by Spidey fans at her rehearsal.

 

[Citizen_Kaine]

It's only been a couple of issues but the hypocrisy of Spiderman's so-called friends is starting to overwhelm me. For example, Liz Allan's reaction is to blame Spiderman for all the death in their lives (excuse me for marrying THE MOLTEN MAN you dumb waste of skin!)

She actually married Harry, Molton Man is her step brother. But your right, kind of a *****y move, she didn't even know Gwen, and he knew and feuded with Harry long before he introduced him to her

The real question I want to know, is why he would attack his own sister, to avoid having the kid he was mentoring zapped. Get your priorities straight Mark, Jesus!

 

[Themanofbat]

She actually married Harry, Molton Man is her step brother. But your right, kind of a *****y move, she didn't even know Gwen, and he knew and feuded with Harry long before he introduced him to her

The real question I want to know, is why he would attack his own sister, to avoid having the kid he was mentoring zapped. Get your priorities straight Mark, Jesus!

First of all, we don't know if the Molten Man will do anything to her (other than kidnap her... maybe to keep an eye on her). He says so himself he's not evil anymore (or trying hard not to be), so he'll probably be the ace in the hole at the end of the tale.

And secondly, because Peter is Spider-Man, she probablt blames him for the death of her husband... geez people, she knew that Gwen, a good friend of her late husband, AND HER HUSBAND, died because of their proximity to Peter/Spider-Man.

And I didn't think that Spidey was actually "stunned" to know a villain named the Scarecrow.... even though they've only fought ONCE before (in an issue of Untold Tales of Spider-Man, of all things)... and the Will O the Wisp IS a joke villain. Has anyone ever taken this guy seriously???

I thought it was a great issue, and it's nice to see some type of connection with the past where Spidey is concerned. And again we see some apprehension towards Spidey and his suit.

Great stuff...

 

[Themanofbat]

It's only been a couple of issues but the hypocrisy of Spiderman's so-called friends is starting to overwhelm me. For example, Liz Allan's reaction is to blame Spiderman for all the death in their lives (excuse me for marrying THE MOLTEN MAN you dumb waste of skin!)

Seriously, we haven't seen MUCH of Pete's friends ' reactions... so where's the hypocrisy?



And as I stated... she probably blames Harry's death on Peter... you know, her REAL husband

So learn your facts before you start spewing at the mouth. It's obvious that you aren't giving this story a chance, but some of us are, so let us enjoy it.

Also, I'm rather annoyed that ALL of Spiderman's villains seem to think that attacking MJ is the way to go. Seriously, you'd think that some of them would have the integrity not to. I hope Venom shows up to break the neck of a few of them to point out that their beef is with Spidey (real Venom, not Scorpion).

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.... Peter IS Spider-Man, so if they have a "beef" with Spider-Man, then they'll have a "beef" with Peter Parker.

What a maroon.

 

[Venom Drool]

the art is very not good
and i dont like everyonecoming after peter.. it feels.. so..unreal?

 

[Willowhugger]

My issue is that all of Parker's villains are being as crazy as Green Goblin or Carnage.

But yes, I had a brain barf there about Harry/Molten Man's connection to Liz. It's been awhile.

 

[crivelliman]

It's this kind of **** that I don't want to read. Oh boy, everyone's mad at Peter. Yay. Further proof, besides every other comic that has Spidey in it with other superheroes telling him what a ******ed move unmasking was, that this was truly a ******ed move. We don't need a year of Peter going "Man I shouldn't have done this."

 

[ben_reilly_s_s]

Wasnt Will o' the Wisp a good guy the last time we saw him?
Also, I thought the New Avengers took care of Electro?
Also, When did Chamelion heal up from the shotgun blast that Alyosha nearly killed him with, last we saw was him on a table in OR, and he was in the background, so, what gives?

 

[Brainiac 8]

First of all, we don't know if the Molten Man will do anything to her (other than kidnap her... maybe to keep an eye on her). He says so himself he's not evil anymore (or trying hard not to be), so he'll probably be the ace in the hole at the end of the tale.

And secondly, because Peter is Spider-Man, she probablt blames him for the death of her husband... geez people, she knew that Gwen, a good friend of her late husband, AND HER HUSBAND, died because of their proximity to Peter/Spider-Man.

And I didn't think that Spidey was actually "stunned" to know a villain named the Scarecrow.... even though they've only fought ONCE before (in an issue of Untold Tales of Spider-Man, of all things)... and the Will O the Wisp IS a joke villain. Has anyone ever taken this guy seriously???

I thought it was a great issue, and it's nice to see some type of connection with the past where Spidey is concerned. And again we see some apprehension towards Spidey and his suit.

Great stuff...

Ditto, well said.

 

[The Joker]

I just read it. It was pretty decent.

I loved how they acknowledged the fact that the Scarecrow is a blatant rip off of Batman's villain with a couple of subtle jokes. Nice to see Electro back again, if only for a panel and a half. Hope he has a bigger role next issue. He's the only half way decent villain in this little team Chameleon has.

Oh, and Liz's reaction to Peter's secret sucked. But Molten Man was pretty cool. I bet he ends up saving Spidey.

 

[DACrowe]

Meh.

I'd expect them to play the pissed mood from Betty (between her brother and Ned Leeds, she should have beef with her "friend" lying to her all these years and being connected to so much suffering).

But Liz? The same Liz who was GRATEFUL for Spider-Man helping her, her son and husband (to his unforunate end) through all the turmoil they went to and protecting her son from the crazy father-in-law who kidnapped him, TWICE. ****, we reached the point where they could've called him "Uncle Spidey" when he showed up at the Osborn house.

But after the butchering of Flash, I'm not that surprised now.

 

[Themanofbat]

Geezuz people.... Norman might never have become the Green Goblin if not for Spider-Man... Harry would have never become the Green Goblin if not for Spider-Man... Harry might still be ALIVE if not for Spider-Man...

Her reaction seemed pretty normal to me....

 

[The Joker]

Geezuz people.... Norman might never have become the Green Goblin if not for Spider-Man

How do you work that one out??

Norman said in ASM#40 that he became the Green Goblin after his accident. His decision to become a criminal had nothing to do with Spider-Man. When he started his criminal career he said he chose Spider-Man as a victim because he thought the underworld would respect him if he killed him.

Can hardly blame Spider-Man for that, or for Harry. Norman made the bed, everyone else was forced to lie in it.

 

[USMC]

Agreed. Liz's reaction is unwarranted and out of character.

Eh, it's Marvel, what else is new?

 

[Themanofbat]

How do you work that one out??

Norman said in ASM#40 that he became the Green Goblin after his accident. His decision to become a criminal had nothing to do with Spider-Man. When he started his criminal career he said he chose Spider-Man as a victim because he thought the underworld would respect him if he killed him.

Can hardly blame Spider-Man for that, or for Harry. Norman made the bed, everyone else was forced to lie in it.

I'll give you that one... but would Harry have become the Green Goblin AND be so obsessed with Spider-Man if it hadn't been for Peter Parker/Spider-Man?

Would Harry have followed Dad's footsteps? Maybe so, maybe not. But in the end, it was Harry's knowledge of who Peter was and Spider-Man's ties with his father that ultimately led to Harry's demise... something that Liz would have only put two and two together upon Peter's revelation. I can't imagine what's going on in her head... her husband and father-in-law are well known costumed criminals, and then her husband's best friend announces to the world that he's said costumed criminal's arch-nemesis.

I certainly don't blame her for faulting Peter... and if for no other reason than he's the only one she feels like she can blame. He was the sensible one... he was the understanding one... he was the best friend. It's easy for us on the outside looking in to simply blame Norman, but real life and real characters with real emotions don't always read like a novel. You have to try and see things from that person's perspective to really understand (or at least, try to) what's going on in their heads.

And IN MY OPINION, Liz's reaction is all too normal... at least it is for me.

Cheers...

Way back when, Harry felt like Spider-Man/Peter Parker was responsible for his Dad's death

 

[Themanofbat]

Agreed. Liz's reaction is unwarranted and out of character.

Do you even read Spider-Man comics anymore?

Or do you just base your opinions on internet chatroom blather?

Just asking....

 

[The Joker]

I'll give you that one... but would Harry have become the Green Goblin AND be so obsessed with Spider-Man if it hadn't been for Peter Parker/Spider-Man?

Maybe not.

But that's his father's fault, not Spider-Man's. Nobody forced Norman to target Spidey. If Spidey had not of been around, it would have been some other hero Norman would have targeted to put himself on the underworld throne

Would Harry have followed Dad's footsteps? Maybe so, maybe not. But in the end, it was Harry's knowledge of who Peter was and Spider-Man's ties with his father that ultimately led to Harry's demise... something that Liz would have only put two and two together upon Peter's revelation. I can't imagine what's going on in her head... her husband and father-in-law are well known costumed criminals, and then her husband's best friend announces to the world that he's said costumed criminal's arch-nemesis.

I'll grant you that the revelation that Peter was Spidey, and involved in his dad's demise pushed Harry to the edge. But like I said, Norman made the bed, he targeted Spidey, he killed Gwen.

Liz should know what Norman was/is. She saw what his legacy did to Harry. How she can blame Peter, when the Green Goblin is a well known criminal is beyond me. Heck Norman is publically known as the Goblin.

I certainly don't blame her for faulting Peter... and if for no other reason than he's the only one she feels like she can blame. He was the sensible one... he was the understanding one... he was the best friend.

What about Norman?? He's Harry's father. He was supposed to be the one person Harry could count on. He fakes his death, moves to europe, lets his son go crazy and die, then comes back and is revealed as a psychotic criminal.

She should be blaming Norman, not Peter.

It's easy for us on the outside looking in to simply blame Norman, but real life and real characters with real emotions don't always read like a novel. You have to try and see things from that person's perspective to really understand (or at least, try to) what's going on in their heads.

And IN MY OPINION, Liz's reaction is all too normal... at least it is for me.

But Liz knows all Norman's dirty secrets. She knows what he is and what his criminal past did to Harry. She went thru it all. Her and MJ had long chats about it.

Her reaction was stupid IMO.

Way back when, Harry felt like Spider-Man/Peter Parker was responsible for his Dad's death

Harry did, yes.

But we know Harry was not of sound mind. As did his wife. He put her thru the ringer with his Goblin persona.

 

[Themanofbat]

What about Norman?? He's Harry's father. He was supposed to be the one person Harry could count on. He fakes his death, moves to europe, lets his son go crazy and die, then comes back and is revealed as a psychotic criminal.

She should be blaming Norman, not Peter.

Of course she can blame Norman... but it's too easy to blame the crazy guy.

Remember, even way back in High School when Liz develops her little crush on Peter... she does so because Peter is the good guy nexr door... the reliable man that she felt she could count on... even later in life, she probably comes to trust good ol' Pete.

Her reaction is normal, because good ol' Pete lied to her, lied to everyone, and brought the spectre of Spider-Man into all of their lives.

It's cool if we don't see things the same way; that's life. But I'm glad we can have a civil debate about a Spider-Man topic without it resulting into harsh words ala Sins Past.

Cheers...

 

[The Joker]

Of course she can blame Norman... but it's too easy to blame the crazy guy.

It may be easy, but its also justified in this case too.

Remember, even way back in High School when Liz develops her little crush on Peter... she does so because Peter is the good guy nexr door... the reliable man that she felt she could count on... even later in life, she probably comes to trust good ol' Pete.

Her reaction is normal, because good ol' Pete lied to her, lied to everyone, and brought the spectre of Spider-Man into all of their lives.

Again, Norman brought the spectre of Spider-Man into their lives by having his vendetta against Pete. Did Liz ever blame Spider-Man before for what happened to Harry or Norman after she found out the truth about Norman's history??

It's cool if we don't see things the same way; that's life. But I'm glad we can have a civil debate about a Spider-Man topic without it resulting into harsh words ala Sins Past.

Cheers...

No prob Its not hard to have a civil debate. Its just some people seem take this stuff personally, like these characters are real or something.

We're all Spidey fans here. Shouldn't be hard to get along.

 

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

It's this kind of **** that I don't want to read. Oh boy, everyone's mad at Peter. Yay. Further proof, besides every other comic that has Spidey in it with other superheroes telling him what a ******ed move unmasking was, that this was truly a ******ed move. We don't need a year of Peter going "Man I shouldn't have done this."

It's this kind of **** that made me decide not to post here as often. I agree with you guys. No matter what they do with Spidey, you will have some peole complain. I mean seriously, if you dislike it so much, don't read it!! I think it sucks what they did with Gwen, and The Other, but you tend to get over these things eventually and make a decision one way or another. I decided to stick with Spidey and guess what? ASM is pretty damn riveting to me, and I love the fact that Aguirre-Sacasa taps Spidey's past and *gasps* continuity to tell his stories. What more do you want?

 

[MyPokerShirt]

i like the way they're setting up black cat and SM to get back together when they get rid of that pesky MJ person. i could only read one letter in the back. as soon as they said "you'll see how much he loves his aunt and wife soon, TRUST me" all i could think was "they're gonna kill MJ; theyre gonna kill MJ."

ARGH! oh well. go black cat.