My two favorite quotes on this list. Though Star Wars I wouldn't really call that nerdy. The Expanded universe is but the movies themselves are the most accessible and mainstream of any scifi/fantasy works. And Nolan, I won't go there since I know I'm in such an extreme minority. But there are dozens of us, dozens! As far as this whole thread is concerned I feel like this is trying to analyze commercials. I do this all the time and the response I get from my friends and family were, "huh, there was a commercial." I find engaging advertising to be fun and stimulating and am a little frustrated at times that people don't take the time to analyze all the information that is presented to us every second of everyday. But then, the way people pass it off I also don't think it necessarily harms us that much either. Whole books can be written on subliminal messaging though so who knows. It is hard to figure it out and at the end of the day movies like Transformers exist because one can drive ones self crazy looking for "meaning in Pauly Shore movies". I do hate when people try to defend movies like this as being "mindless" on purpose though. Why would anything every want to be mindless on purpose, there is a difference between being accessible and fun entertainment and being offensive because it is so dumb. I don't think that Michael Bay is in anyway a passive director. His composition is way too thought out for me to by that. He throws a lot on his pallet, but he knows what's there and he knows what he is pushing. Therefore I don't think it is wrong to attack him or what messages you may find in the films he makes. Its just that those said messages may in fact be debatable. (I will side with those posters who believe that finding black stereotypes in characters like the twins and Jar Jar Binks may in fact be a representation of their own racist feelings though and I am glad I am not the only one who thinks so.) Oh and I think that these boards actually promote much more intelligent conversation than a lot of other boards. but it is the internet, you can't have too high of standards.