Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13 - Part 2

[Raiden]

I just want to know why every character in this franchise can get a romance in their sequels except Captain America?

Same here. I think the Russo Bros. are amazing but they seemed to have something personal against Sharon Carter with Steve Rogers for unknown reason.

 

[Rote]

Same here. I think the Russo Bros. are amazing but they seemed to have something personal against Sharon Carter with Steve Rogers for unknown reason.

Russos said that they can only keep Cap romantically uninvolved for so long. And all they could say about VanCamp's role is that the fans of the comics can guess, why she's there. So they basically admitted that Sharon's whole purpose is to get Steve laid. Her function in the story is "love interest". If she wasn't that, she wouldn't be in the movie at all. They'd just have Maria Hill back, or Natasha could do most of her stuff, plot-wise.

 

[Mike5575]

Because DC was going to do BvS in order to compete with Marvel b.o. wise. Then explain why M&M was disproportionately excited for Sharon because of how "meaty" she is way back in 2011 only to have a glorified cameo in TWS 2014? Again M&M talked up Sharon for Cap 3 then afterwards Feige and Russos were only potentially thinking about doing Civil War around the Age of Ultron? It's obvious deduction.

No, it's not a deduction. Correlation is not causation. Sharon's time could have been cut for completely unrelated reasons. Maybe they don't hate the character like you and others have suggested. Maybe she just didn't fit in with the story they where trying to tell.

And for the last time, Marvel is not making Civil war because they were afraid of Batman v Superman.

 

[Poppy]

Yeah I know, I'm hoping she didn't spoil everything. And I thought Cap gave her a call after TWS events. Why didn't Steve call her!?

[BLACKOUT]So she's working in Germany for the accords. She sees Cap for the first time since TWS at Peg's funeral in the beginning of CW where she gives the eulogy. Cap finds out she's the grand niece. She's the double spy that helps him feeding him intel. There's no intense scene with Sharon, only fun scenes. That one Bucky fight scene. And she might not return for IWs[/BLACKOUT] Even Maria Hill played a bigger part in the MCU .

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And what about Sharon's "Duty over love" what is that kind of "she followers her heart rather than her head" bs ? oO

Like Sharon has only 10 mins of screetime and they managed to mess most of her characterisation?

I like some of her scenes in TWS espacially the "hopefully not to far" because it showed that Sharon chose her mission over possible love but Sharon was never meant to be an ‘up coming’ agent, even less a “rookie”.
In fact in the Cap mythology, Sharon was introduced as the second best agent (after Nick freaking Fury). Sharon’s leading a whole team in the comics, she’s a boss but in the movie she couldn’t take Rumlow? Yeah right in what universe….And now this. I want to be optimist and maybe Sharon and Steve did meet at least once before Cw?

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It's 2016, we don't need 2 movies of them just looking at each other before finally kissing in the third one. A fast kiss makes sense but at the time, considering Sharon's personality ("the mission is all that counts") plus the fact that she is related to Peggy, I wanted the writers to show that Staron was a work in progress off screen, so the romance wouldn't feel too sudden.

 

[ARA]

Why do you think the Russos dislike Sharon?

 

[BatsDC]

They don't lol

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Well she's been underused. M&M seem quite willing to develop her and put Steve in a relationship with her. Clearly someone is saying no.

It might be Feige, but I doubt it.

The Russos came aboard after a script was already completed. It was their idea to make "Kate" into Sharon, as she was originally just a SHIELD agent of no significance.

It seems odd that M&M didn't include her themselves at that point, in whatever capacity, so clearly something happened.

Then there's the simple matter of the Russos comments about her.

Around TWS, when asked about her their comment was something along the lines of "She's in there." and "She's something for future storytellers."

Currently, when asked about anyone in the cast, they've talked about how so and so were important, pivotal, or how they had a great arc. They've lavished praise on everyone in the cast as well.

Yet, when asked about Sharon, they gave extremely vague and uninformative answers. They even talked more about Pepper, who is a cameo added in reshoots.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Or maybe they like her and they're playing hard to get

 

[BatsDC]

If they didn't like her then they wouldn't have used her. It's possible they like the character but had priorities above making her & Steve's relationship one of the key elements to the plot. The fact 'Kate' became Sharon because of the Russos suggests they do like the character and would like to do something with her - eventually.

They seem to be focusing on the friendship between Steve & Bucky which, I'd argue, is the more immediately relevant issue given the way TWS & TFA played out.

I think, all things considered, Sharon has a pretty reasonable looking role in this, and its possible she'll be showing up for Infinity War too.

The one thing the Russos are continually adamant about is that each character has an arc, regardless of whether they have 10 minutes or 60 minutes of screentime. Just because Sharon isn't in a ton of the movie doesn't mean what she actually does would be any less compelling or important.

 

[MbJ]

I just want to know why every character in this franchise can get a romance in their sequels except Captain America?

A large number of those romances are poorly handled anyway. Ant-Man and Hope comes out of nowhere in the last 5 minutes of the movie, and pretty much everyone I know says you could've removed it and nothing would have changed.

Jane Foster's romance with Thor is a dead fish that was rushed to begin with in the first one, and got even more ridiculous in the sequel.

Pretty much everyone hated the Widow/Banner romance and the jury is still out on Hawkeye's secret wife as well.

Just about the only romance in the MCU people actually like is Tony and Pepper.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

If they didn't like her then they wouldn't have used her. It's possible they like the character but had priorities above making her & Steve's relationship one of the key elements to the plot. The fact 'Kate' became Sharon because of the Russos suggests they do like the character and would like to do something with her - eventually.

They used Stannis on Game of Thrones, but not many believe the creators of the show like him.

The thing about "Kate" becoming Sharon is that it calls to question why didn't M&M, who liked Sharon based on various comments, didn't include Sharon. She's a SHIELD agent. TWS is all about SHIELD. The idea that M&M didn't play on using her at all seems unlikely.

Maybe turning "Kate" into Sharon was a compromise.

At best they're willing to keep her around, with minimal development and use as they expend effort on Natasha and Steve's friendship, or Wanda being his protege. Perhaps leaving serious development to someone else when they leave the franchise.

They don't have forever. For all we know, there might not be a Cap at all in phase 4.

They seem to be focusing on the friendship between Steve & Bucky which, I'd argue, is the more immediately relevant issue given the way TWS & TFA played out.

And they seem to be allocating considerable time for Natasha again, and Wanda, and Vision.

I think, all things considered, Sharon has a pretty reasonable looking role in this, and its possible she'll be showing up for Infinity War too.

She's not showing up in Infinity War. Let's not kid ourself, here.

By all accounts, her role is just about bigger than her role in TWS. Talk about damning with faint praise.

The one thing the Russos are continually adamant about is that each character has an arc, regardless of whether they have 10 minutes or 60 minutes of screentime. Just because Sharon isn't in a ton of the movie doesn't mean what she actually does would be any less compelling or important.

Longer arcs tend to be more satisfying, though. I'd much rather see Sharon and Steve developing a rapport by working closely together than her just being super loyal for no reason and sending him emails.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Just about the only romance in the MCU people actually like is Tony and Pepper.

 

[MbJ]

You're right, I forgot Peggy and Steve.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

You're right, I forgot Peggy and Steve.

And who wrote them?

 

[MbJ]

I know who wrote them. I'm not opposed to Sharon hooking up with Steve, I'm just saying I disagree with the argument that it should happen because all the other Avengers hooked up with someone, even though the vast majority of those hook ups fell flat.

If they go that route I'd trust Markus and McFeely to do a good job, but the MCU's track record in romance has been lacking to say the least.

 

[Anita18]

A large number of those romances are poorly handled anyway. Ant-Man and Hope comes out of nowhere in the last 5 minutes of the movie, and pretty much everyone I know says you could've removed it and nothing would have changed.

Jane Foster's romance with Thor is a dead fish that was rushed to begin with in the first one, and got even more ridiculous in the sequel.

Pretty much everyone hated the Widow/Banner romance and the jury is still out on Hawkeye's secret wife as well.

Just about the only romance in the MCU people actually like is Tony and Pepper.

Pretty much. I wouldn't say that Peggy and Steve were a full-blown romance. Certainly had the potential to become one (obviously), but she's around now mostly to be the one that got away. But yeah, in TFA she was the love interest role, no doubt about it.

But yeah, judging by what there is, Pepper/Tony and Peggy/Steve are really the only likable/believable pairings in the MCU.

IMO they should only do romance if there's emotional space for it. In CW I don't see where there could be. When s*** is hitting the fan and your closest friends are involved, that is not the time to be kindling a new romance. If anything, you lean on a spouse, but there's no room for anything new. (Booty calls maybe, but we all know Steve's not that kind of guy. t: )

I'd rather the audience gets to know and like Sharon more, so if something develops in Infinity Wars (and his friends are presumably not fighting each other anymore) we like her well enough to be matched up with Steve.

 

[BoredGuy]

But yeah, judging by what there is, Pepper/Tony and Peggy/Steve are really the only likable/believable pairings in the MCU

I also thought Scott and Hope had really good and adorable chemistry
but the actual relationship was kinda shoehorned in there

still felt more real than Thor and Jane, though

 

[BullMcGiveny]

It was abrupt but I wouldn't call it shoehorned. It doesn't come off as something serious, more like a fling. Which suits Scott and the film.

 

[BoredGuy]

True, idk, when they kissed it was just kinda like "oh, really? okay, that's happening, I accept it"
there was a little flirtation early on, but I wouldn't have expected her to go for it

 

[Ksb36]

Around TWS, when asked about her their comment was something along the lines of "She's in there." and "She's something for future storytellers."

Currently, when asked about anyone in the cast, they've talked about how so and so were important, pivotal, or how they had a great arc. They've lavished praise on everyone in the cast as well.

Yet, when asked about Sharon, they gave extremely vague and uninformative answers. They even talked more about Pepper, who is a cameo added in reshoots.

I know you reject the notion that the blame lies with EVC, but I can't help but think Marvel wanted an actress that came cheap, and that exactly what they got. Whether they wanted cheap and hoped EVC could pull something special off, or just didn't care about the character, I'm sorry but she's weak sauce.

It's not right, its not fair, they haven't supported her the proper way, but its just the way it is.

Watching the Suicide Squad trailer this morning (a film I have little interest in), I couldn't help but think Margot Robie could have done something special with this character, even with limited screen time.

 

[TheVileOne]

At least they all get romances. Mark Ruffalo "persuaded" Whedon to force a Black Widow/Hulk romance that made everyone scratch their heads.

It's Cap's turn.

 

[TalismanRing]

At least they all get romances. Mark Ruffalo "persuaded" Whedon to force a Black Widow/Hulk romance that made everyone scratch their heads.

It's Cap's turn.

For another bad forced romance? I'll pass. The Hope & Scott thing was bad. No way in heck was that kiss earned at the end of the movie. Not only did Scott have more chemistry with Hank and his gang but the relationship with Antony was stronger. Banner and Widow's looked epic in comparison.

 

[BatsDC]

I'm not sure we're quite ready for a human/ant relationship just yet though.

But who knows, maybe if Antony had lived

 

[BullMcGiveny]

IMO they should only do romance if there's emotional space for it. In CW I don't see where there could be. When s*** is hitting the fan and your closest friends are involved, that is not the time to be kindling a new romance. If anything, you lean on a spouse, but there's no room for anything new. (Booty calls maybe, but we all know Steve's not that kind of guy. t: )

I'd rather the audience gets to know and like Sharon more, so if something develops in Infinity Wars (and his friends are presumably not fighting each other anymore) we like her well enough to be matched up with Steve.

Well, for audience to like her, they need to see more of her.

I agree that the situation doesn't lend itself for romance, which is why I think they should have got an actual start in TWS, but there's nothing to stop them from at least becoming close allies who know each other well. If they gave her a "platonic" Black Widow in TWS sort of role in this movie, I'd have been more than happy.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

I think the Hope/Scott romance was decent. The Bruce/Widow romance would have been tolerable if it was just that scene in the beginning when she was flirting with him. The scene in Hawkeye's house and everything else just ruined it for me. Jane and Thor, I think even Marvel are electing to ignore that romance in Ragnarok.