Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13 - Part 3

[tomatoes]

I think I read that the Russos are done with Cap movies. I don't like the idea of a Cap film directed by another if not for them.

Marvel can always hire new directors like they did with whedon to russos. imo, WS was so much better than CW because they tried to fit so much in that storyline. theyre good with action scenes though but character developments depends on writers too

 

[Voltron]

I dont get the dislike for VanCamp as Agent 13. She really wasn't given enough time to form a huge opinion on her.

As for the niece thing...eh. I mean Cap was attracted/interested in her before he knew of the connection to Peggy. So on Cap's end I dont see anything that weird. It's not like Cap's thinking was: "Oh this is Peggy's niece. I'm in love now because of that" And it's also no like Sharon looks exactly like Peggy.

And on Sharon's end...who cares? Really they're both adults. If she wants to kiss the same guy her aunt kissed that's on her.

I just wished they developed the relationship more rather than rushing into it. She really shouldnt have just dropped out of the film like that. Same with BW.

Exactly, Cap asked her out for coffee before he knew the connection. I don't understand why some people don't understand that. And Sharon grew up admiring Cap via her great-aunt's war stories. I highly doubt Peggy told little Sharon that her and Cap loved each other out of respect for Peggy's husband.

Guess we needed to see Steve actually watching STAR WARS movie instead of him just crossing it off of his list....

No, not the same thing. An extra 10-30 second tender moment on screen between Staron helps with the build up. They gave plenty of screen time development between Cap/Nat friendship and Steggy which explains why many people root for these relationships Vs Sharon's meager 8 mins in the MCU.

 

[Voltron]

So do I. I feel the cold shoulder he gave her after he found out she was a SHIELD agent was because he had liked her and saw her as a potential love interest/girl friend and was upset at the possibility she was only friendly towards him as part of her job.

And he was probably embarrassed too.

I think they handled the Sharon and Steve stuff well. For sure there was a spark of something in TWS that we saw grow here. For the love of Stan Lee, we saw that Sharon was willing to put her life on the line for Cap in TWS during the hellicarrier launch stand off. The film had a lot on it's plate and while it would have been nice to see some more Sharon I think there is enough there to indicate the START of something. That's just it... Are people not aware that adults kiss all the time? Yeah, shocking I know, but people kiss people BEFORE they are in total all consuming, let's get married and have six kids and live happily ever until we die on the same day LOVE. These are the tentative steps of mutual attraction. Yeah... Sharon also has a part in this you know. It's not all one sided with Steve in the drivers seat some how controlling Sharon. There's was obvious attraction in TWS and now it's paid off in the baby steps of the start of something.

Exactly, it was just a first awkward yet sweet kiss that can turn serious later on. It shows that Cap wants to move on and he initiated a kiss for the first time. There are many types of kisses; fun, casual, comfort, thank you, serious etc. I think fans wanted a deeply romantic relationship kiss.

 

[MadVillainy]

The hate for SHaron has been really weird.

Im trying to figure it out. I mean the whole "she's Peggy's niece thing" is kinda silly when it was proven he had interest in her before he knew the connection.

Is it just shippers want him with someone else?

 

[universeman]

Is it just shippers want him with someone else?

I guess you could say that Cap has all the different ships, really maybe Marvel should just kill him in a heroic way? because what's left for him to do after IW? to me Cap is like Han Solo he deserves a heroic death.

 

[PelvicSorcery]

I blame the writers and filmmakers more than resenting the character itself.

Even they can't be blamed though, considering they didn't expect the third Captain America film to be as jam-packed as it was. Spider-Man in particular was a HUGE surprise that ate up some film time. They probably were expecting to pay more service to the Steve/Sharon relationship, but ultimately some of that was sacrificed for bigger and better things.

That doesn't change the fact that she's been reduced to a fairly forgettable character and we may never see much of her again. It's a valid criticism, even when there are obvious explanations as to why she fell flat.

 

[PokeJ]

Her character was fine. Underutilized, but fine. I'm glad Capt has a love interest going forward. And I haven't seen any of this so called backlash. That's a false statement.

 

[ScarlettW]

Marvel can always hire new directors like they did with whedon to russos. imo, WS was so much better than CW because they tried to fit so much in that storyline. theyre good with action scenes though but character developments depends on writers too

They did a great job with Cap. WS is the best Marvel movie because of them. They also gave the best version of Black Widow in the MCU.
I don't know if a new director can do something as good with Cap like them.

Writers are important, but a director can **** with a script making changes. Russos worked along with the writers.

CW is Kevin Feige. They were working in Cap 3 when Kevin moved to CW.
CW is very good, but doesn't feel like a Captain America movie, or feels like a WS sequel. It's an Avengers film.

 

[tomatoes]

They did a great job with Cap. WS is the best Marvel movie because of them. They also gave the best version of Black Widow in the MCU.
I don't know if a new director can do something as good with Cap like them.

Writers are important, but a director can **** with a script making changes. Russos worked along with the writers.

CW is Kevin Feige. They were working in Cap 3 when Kevin moved to CW.
CW is very good, but doesn't feel like a Captain America movie, or feels like a WS sequel. It's an Avengers film.

I agree that they did their best with both cap films, WS still remains as my favorite but if marvel wants a final cap film and russos want no more, theyre gonna hire a new one

 

[Mike5575]

They did a great job with Cap. WS is the best Marvel movie because of them. They also gave the best version of Black Widow in the MCU.
I don't know if a new director can do something as good with Cap like them.

Writers are important, but a director can **** with a script making changes. Russos worked along with the writers.

CW is Kevin Feige. They were working in Cap 3 when Kevin moved to CW.
CW is very good, but doesn't feel like a Captain America movie, or feels like a WS sequel. It's an Avengers film.

Actually, it's the Russos who wanted Civil War. The Russos wanted to switch things up radically. After building up a structure over several movies, things would end up getting a little stagnant. It was time for Marvel to tear that structure down. When the Russos originally pitched the idea to Feige, Kevin wasn't entirely convinced, but then BVS was announced and Kevin greenlit Civil War.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04/26/director-says-marvel-made-captain-america-civil-war-because-of-batman-v-superman-announcement

 

[C. Lee]

Voltron actually brought up a legitimate point. It's not bad to want to see a relationship develop properly on screen rather than off it.

I know it's not "bad" to want to see it....I just don't feel it is required to see it to accept that something happened.

No, not the same thing. An extra 10-30 second tender moment on screen between Staron helps with the build up.

I agree it would help with it...but I don't feel it is required. I've seen hundreds of movies where relationships are alluded to or hinted at but not shown....and I accepted them just like I accepted this one.

They gave plenty of screen time development between Cap/Nat friendship and Steggy which explains why many people root for these relationships Vs Sharon's meager 8 mins in the MCU.

As I say....that's fine for others....I can accept less being shown here. I don't know if it is because I have watched thousands of movies (most being from the 70's back) where things like this is common place in them or something else. But basically they give some looks, they say some things to each other, time passes and she is still there in the movie and they are friendly...so if they wind up kissing...my jaw doesn't drop and my hat doesn't fly off.

 

[Mike5575]

Translation, you wanted this instead.

Or you could replace Bucky and Cap with Sharon and Natasha and have Cap, Bucky, and Sam watch from the car.

That's my lewd thought for the day. I'll go ahead and see myself out.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Or you could replace Bucky and Cap with Sharon and Natasha and have Cap, Bucky, and Sam watch from the car.

That's my lewd thought for the day. I'll go ahead and see myself out.

.... I can totally picture that. Thank yous

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

I have a question... Is it weird for a guy who once went out with a woman who happens to have a twin sister and later on, when he meets his 'dead' gf's twin sister....he sort of...falls for her? ... It's for a story that I am writing with a hit man and a government agent...

 

[C. Lee]

I have a question... Is it weird for a guy who once went out with a woman who happens to have a twin sister and later on, when he meets his 'dead' gf's twin sister....he sort of...falls for her? ... It's for a story that I am writing with a hit man and a government agent...

Buckaroo Banzai and Penny/Peggy Priddy......

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I didn't have any major issue with this. Kiss scene was cute. Reminded me of me and my friends.

But I had an issue with Sharon not being involved more in the action. idk. Not a problem necessarily, just unfortunate.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Buckaroo Banzai and Penny/Peggy Priddy......

my story has a lot of adult orientated stuff ... but nothing, I hope, that will be ...weird in a way like Luke and Leia. lols.

 

[Voltron]

I didn't have any major issue with this. Kiss scene was cute. Reminded me of me and my friends.

But I had an issue with Sharon not being involved more in the action. idk. Not a problem necessarily, just unfortunate.

That's my problem too. I thought one of the reasons they hired EVC was because she can kickass like here. Note, the fight choreography's bad but it shows she can be badass.

 

[scarlet-witch]

If I were massive Sharon fan, I'd feel a bit manipulated, to be honest. She's in all these promotional materials with different weapons, and she's not even in any of the big fight scenes. She gets 10 seconds with Bucky, then her only purpose is to be Cap's love interest. That's kind of crap. Since not everyone believes in the shared license agreement regarding Wanda, why have Sharon with batons and guns if she literally doesn't even use them? Or even wear the same outfit?

 

[CoolCadaver49]

I'm assuming you mean a massive fan of Sharon Carter from the comics? Because there's no way anyone could be a massive fan of her from the 3 minutes or so of screen time she had in TWS. I remember her popping up every half hour or so in that movie and wondering why the camera lingered on her so much. I originally thought she must have been a character from the AoS TV series.

I never saw her on any posters or TV spots but what could she really do during any of the fight scenes? She seems outclassed by pretty much everyone. She got to deliver the most famous speech in the Civil War story arc. That's got to count for something, right?

I wouldn't mind never seeing this character again. Including a character just to be a tacked-on love interest in a movie already stuffed to the brim is a waste.

 

[Voltron]

As a Sharon fan we were manipulated and mislead. Really thought she'd be in the airport battle in that promo costume and firing her gun as suggested at the end of TWS at least.

There are Revenge fans that became Sharon fans from her 3 mins in TWS.

Outclassed? Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Sam don't have any powers like Sharon. Anyway, it's the Russos fault for sidelining and shortchanging MCU Sharon because comics Sharon was all class and kickass.

 

[CoolCadaver49]

Black Widow is a world class spy, repeatedly presented as a master of hand to hand combat. Falcon expertly flies a state-of-the-art jetpack with bulletproof wings. Hawkeye brings a bow and a quiver of trick arrows and can still hold his own with The Avengers. Sharon shot a pistol in TWS... Based only on what we've been presented with in the films, Sharon is outclassed.

I'm willing to bet that it wasn't the Russo's idea to bring Sharon into the MCU at all. Her inclusion reeks of studio mandate to me.

Also, I don't know what "Revenge" is.

 

[Voltron]

In the comics Sharon's not outclassed. But since the Russos have shortchanged/sidelined MCU Sharon it does appear she's outclassed in the MCU since we haven't seen a whole lot of what she can do compared to those other non-superpowered characters.

Joe Russo said Cap wasn't a fav comicbook character of his so maybe he wasn't a fan of Sharon's too which is why he replaced her with BW in TWS and gave away her comics role to BW.

 

[C. Lee]

my story has a lot of adult orientated stuff ... but nothing, I hope, that will be ...weird in a way like Luke and Leia. lols.

Sorry, I had assumed you had seen the movie.

Part of the plot of Buckaroo Banzai is.....Buckaroo's wife (Penny Priddy) has been killed several years ago....as the current story is progressing, he runs into a woman that looks just like her (Peggy) and finds out she is her twin that was put up for adoption as a baby....so she and her sister never knew they were twins.....and Buckaroo falls in love with her on the adventure they are on.

 

[MbJ]

Since not everyone believes in the shared license agreement regarding Wanda, why have Sharon with batons and guns if she literally doesn't even use them? Or even wear the same outfit?

If you didn't believe that before I'm not sure what other reason there'd be for replacing Wanda with a character who probably has a fraction of her screentime and doesn't even hold the role the merch advertises her in.