Should Batman have been able to beat Captain America?

You dont call names, but you call me a kid, I'm a 24 year old man, so again your a hypocrite.

I said you wont convince me any different, cause you where coming with the same **** over and over, I'm open to change my mind, but you weren't gonna change it, and you weren't gonna change your mind due to my opinion, so you where being as stubborn as me.

Yea right Batman himself, could not have prevented Civil War, what he was trying to do with Omac was almost the same as the registration.

 

I could care less if you respect me or not, I dont respect you so I wouln't expect you to respect me. You havce to give respect to get it, and I dont really respect you. t:

 

Actually what Batman did in IC was much worse than the registration. He made a list that compromised his teamates identities..putting their families at risk..and systematically figured out the best way to kill all of them, plus he lost control of the system he invented.

 

^ which is why i was PO'ed at IC

 

Cap has the obvious advantage in being stronger, faster, more agile, better stamina, better durablity etc. This is fact, Cap is the (supossed) pinnacle of human perfection. Bats can't match up to this no matter how much he trains (although I don't like this idea either, but that is for another time).

Batman on the other hand clearly has the advantage of gadgets and weapons, his utility belt carries everything including the forman grill. So that definately works in his favor.

In terms of fighting styles, I personally think it is a bunch of BS that Bats knows 127 + styles or whatever the hell it is, that means training in one style each month for 10 years, how would that make him an expert? How would he be at near master levels? BS! But I can easily accept he posses a vast knowledge of several, say 5-8 martial arts at master or near master levels. This is far more believable to me.

As for which style(s) is better, it's not in the style used, it is the individual. This has been long known for many years in Martial Arts. It doesn't matter if Bruce knows 5 or 500 martial arts. If Cap only uses his mixed style and is far better at it than any of Bruce's guess who is the better fighter? Cap.

I am not saying he is, just using style versus individual knowledge as an example that knowing more doesn't mean better.

Cap's shield helps him out against Bats gadgets but only against explosives, projectiles, liquids etc. But against flashes, gasses and the like he would have a hard time avoiding them.

I don't see either of them being honorable about the fight. Cap more so than Bruce yes, but if Cap is losing because Batman is resorting to any tactic, do you really think Cap is going to let being a boyscout get in the way of getting his ass kicked?

In a straight up fight one on one without any weapons, gadgets etc. Cap takes it, he is just superior to Bruce, physically, has more experience and his fighting knowledge easily rivals that of Burce's.

In a chance encounter such as JLA vs. Avengers I think it could go either way. Depending on the area, circumstances, terrain etc Batman could notch out a win or Steve could.

 

Marvin, my god bro, I went to bed and you were still taking stabs at me, get over it, I am sorry it takes you forever to come up with responses, but hitting me in my sleep that's low. The only reason I was insulting you was because you were ignoring my posts all together. I had to get your attention somehow, right?

 

is there any way to resolve this question?

 

Not really, cause it will never happen in canon, these threads are matters of opinion and for people who just like to debate/argue.

There is no way to resolve any DC vs Marvel question.

 

Exactly, we will prob never know who wins, but we just try to change each others opinion, unless they are fanblind.

 

Yea DC would never let Batman lose cause he's Batman, he is there number 2 character, when Marvel had the chance to buy DC, the only characters the weren't willing to sell where Superman and Batman, so Marvel didn't do it, damnit I wish they would've, imagine Flash or the Green Lantern Corps in the MU, imagine Aquaman and Namor, fighting for control of Atlantis. DC could've built a whole new world around just Batman and Superman, they would've just made another crisis to explain it, thats how it started for them in the first place. Also there is no way Marvel would let Cap lose, simply cause he is Cap.

 

I wouldn't have liked that at all. I like the diversity and having the choice to go back and forth is nice. Plus even if Marvel did buy DC I doubt they would have combined Universes.

 

marvel is dumb for not buying dc, did they not see what they could have got, supes and bats, eh well, they could of got them later, but alll of those awesome chracters, imagine.

 

You would've still had the choice, since DC would've kept there 2 biggest characters, like I said they would've just built a new Universe around those to, with characeters similar to the ones they sold away.

I think they would've combined the universe, they would've kept whatever characters they wanted to keep, and put the rest on the shelves. To bad Marvel cant legally do a What If: Marvel did buy DC.

 

I want to see a simliar What IF? revolving around Spiderman and Batman. Basically, what if Spiderman was DC and Batman was Marvel. Peter Parker growing up with Aunt May and Uncle Ben in Gotham . . same origin and everything, but then you have the Joker and Commisioner Gordon and everything else in Batman's world. Vice versa with Batman in NYC. He's still got Alfred and Wayne Enterprises and the same origin, but he's got to deal with Norman Osbourne and the Kingpin, and a symbiotic suit that turns on him . .

 

so here we are then, back from school with some fresh posts to read...

first of all before i prove my non hypocricy, i'm just want to take a moment to a to point something out...

I called you a kid cause i assumed you're a kid, and no, not due to the vibe i get from your overall presentation in this thread, you've name called, you've stated your stubborness..and so forth...

but rather as a simple pronoun to avoid typing out ur name...

I could have called you man, i suppose
but then if you did turn out to be a kid(under 18) than would u have taken offense to be referred to as an old timer?

point is, I called u kid as a pronoun not as an insult...same as saying "man" NOT the same as calling me..."moron" was it?

as far at the stubborn part...

how many ppl here have been convinced by u...how many have been convinced by me... how many have been convinced that supes can take out thor or vice versa?

just cause you haven't convinced me yet doesn't mean i'm stubborn to the fact...(sorry but opinion ain't law)
As far as the facts are concerned(and not your biased opinion to your idea that your right and i'm stubborn for not agreeing) I'm just arguing fairly and with an open mind..

YOU on the other hand, have said stuff like

how great a fallace is it to argue with someone who outright says something like that

the batman civil war statement pertains to his preptime, and how his team would win because of it.

quick question for u "SUPER MARVEL MAN"
I'm the fanboy
?


as far as things stand, i've retorted u
if u need me to clear it up

post one of ur points(with an open mind or not) and i'll retort it
(one at a time now)

 

i figured as much with the unprovoked name calling and overall agressivness...

I'll repharse it then, weather u care is i "respect" u or not,
I'll ask u once more to refrain from the name calling

since were...or atleast ur are an "Adult"
man

"oldrazz, whatever, woot"

 

define "stabs" at u

i love how self centred ur posts are

first u nag me for taking my time to get to "Clark K"

now my responses (the ones u pined for so persistantly) are "stabs"

u posted i answerd

u going to bed doesn't mean the board shuts down!

as far as the time it took me to respond..

look again I don't have 4 line posts(cough) and i'm wasn't only responding to one person...
(and still the time delay was adequette)

-marvin

 

Drop it Bro, I forgive you for being a total and complete moron, we have moved on, this thread is dead (not anymore thanx to u) and we don't care about Cap America and Bats. That's so yesterday.

 

hypothetical question for u


in ur mind if bats takes the serum, where would that put him in this fight?
(answer carefully)

 

sorry bro,

i'm glad u forgive me for having an opinion that doesn't run parallel with urs (and for that i'm a "total and complete moron")

like i said, it's not all about u, i'm glad u've said ur peace(haven't really said much actually apart from go marvleman go) but..
just cause u can't come up with "the answer" and don't u can add anything doesn't mean me or anyone else can't...

maybe i'm just looking for someone who can debate the topic without, name calling, and running with claims that the topic is closed...

way i see it, i went to bed, and u continued to "take stabs"

at the very least i get the last word

bro

 

K, I didn't know we are getting low enough to mock vocabulary. Even so, I am just saying we are done, Marvelman, me, I think no one cares anymore. Either way I want to bury the hatchet. I won't be the Jackass of the situation, so i withdraw my in****s (stabs). Further more I admit, I don't know Cap very well, thats why all my arguments were iffy. I simply believe the serum gives Cap the physical edge needed to over come Bats intense knowledge of martial arts, along with a small knowledge himself. I read your last post and would like to reply, if Bats took the serum, he would win, no question hands down, because I believe that's why Cap wins, w/out it he can't over come Bats.

Respectfully, CK aka Supes

 

First explain to me what the difference is between a Master and an Expert? Because to my knowledge they are very similar. According to you, it would seem that being an Expert is superior to a Master.

Also you seem to enjoy aruging with people in this thread. I am only going off the last several pages. So I can't speak fully on this.

As for having a problem with Batman "mastering" 127 martial art styles. It does stretch my suspension for disbelief a bit to far for a couple reasons. Studying 127 martial arts will over 10 even 20 years is not ample time to grasp a knowledge to master them, nor even learn everything one would need to know in order to teach.

As you mention other things in comics I do find stretch my suspension of disbelief a little to far and I do bring them up from time to time.

I just don't think Batman as a normal human, in terms of age and longevity would have enough time to master 127 martial arts. Not to mention that he hasn't been seen to use, ohhhh say 120 of them throughout comics. Of course many look very similar so that is tough to say. It's usually only when confronted with martial art characters that he really puts his skills to good use.

Also I would assume you are somewhat biased in your opinion, based on your sig. Then again you seem to think I assume everything so I am probably wrong.

 

curious

-King

 

K, now that we can argue respectively, The serum, in my opinion, didn't give him massive amounts off speed, if we are going of strength proportions, but that split second, that second where you can just barely not react and the other guys hits you, with about 1000 lbs of force could be the ballgame. Even if batty, in my opinion, knows how to react, with his crazy martial arts, I think caps can react that split second, more than making up for his lack of martial knowledge. Mind you, this is just hand to hand combat, how the gadgets play out, IDK, in my opinion idk how caps would stop the gadgets and such.

 

it would seem that way but, then again, after tower of bable, i don't see batman being in cap or ironmans position and not ending things...unless ofcourse the captain of the other team was deathstroke or something...

biased or not, if i have a good argument, take it for what it is