Should I buy Avengers Disassembled?

[Willowhugger]

Another question forwarded to y'all.

Tell me what's good and not.

Note I'm one of the ones who came on AFTER the New Avengers.

 

[hippie_hunter]

No

 

[deathshead2]

No don't do it I did and I really wish I could get my whatever amount of money back.

 

[Speedball]

I did as well...
It's ok, But It makes it seem like Bendis doesn't care about other writers who want to use the characters.

 

[Red]

No. Instead buy The Ultimates superhuman

 

[BrianWilly]

No.

 

[Speedball]

No. Instead buy The Ultimates superhuman

Yeah, buy the Ultimates, or Young Avengers.

 

[gildea]

If you came after new avengers then I'm assuming that you enjoy new avengers?

In which case it is worth buying as alot of ground work for future stories was laid there.

 

[gildea]

No don't do it I did and I really wish I could get my whatever amount of money back.

You can, send the comics to bendis and he'll give you a refund.

go on.

 

[Purple Man]

Besides the death of Hawkeye. Avengers disassembled was awesome.

Definitly worth picking up.

And before anyone flames me for saying this book is good.

Anyone who speaks negative about it hasn't had a romantic relationship with a woman (or any other sex, including stuffed animals) and are just bitter about Bendis giving the Avengers a much needed shake up.

 

[Sentry2005]

Objectivly, it does set up a LOT of what's been going down in the MU recently, including New Avengers, Young Avengers and House of M, so it is necersarry from that point of view.

However, the only thing I really liked at all in it was the art, because i'm a Finch ****e. That and an exchange between Hawkeye and Antman about who their 'Number One Can't Have'. It may have been horribly out of character, I just liked it

 

[Willowhugger]

Well my main issue is the fact that while I liked the Avengers, they were always a team that had the problem of dealing with the weirdest **** in the Marvel universe. The Celestial Madonna, Ultron's robot nuclear family issues, girl on robot on corpse action, fighting the Justice League, fighting the re-animated corpses of dead members animated by the brother of a frequently dead member and pretty much every other plotline being pretty far removed from Marvel reality.

Its strange but the best Avengers story that was ever told, I still think is the frickin Arcade game. If any team in the Marvel Universe was crying out for an Injustice Gang it was the Avengers. I mean while no one's disputing winners like Operation: Galactic Storm, oftentimes it was just downright bizarre.

New Avengers I liked because it removed the toxic influences of Hank Pym's screwed up family dynamics, the Vision's screwed up family dynamics, and plotlines for a lot of B-listers that dominated the storyline with their soap opera antics. The depowering of the team was a major success (thus allowing fights with the Wrecker to be fun) even though I think Thor is desperately needed to give the team some more 'zip.'

Vision works a thousand times better as Iron Lad I think than in the creepy copy of Wonder Man, son of Ultron, wife of Wanda, reanimated Human Torch problem he is. I love the character but I have to admit I tend to like what he DOES more than WHO HE IS.

I'm also taking Hawkeye's lose better than many people no doubt because I know he's alive now and am just waiting for Zemo to screw up so he can take over the Thunderbolts again (I need to get the trades but I liked what I did read).

My biggest worry is I'm a huge Scarlet Witch fan. Even if the Captain and Wanda do sleep together (a pairing FAR less creepy than Vision/Wanda) and there's really good art like this...

I'm not sure I want to see her go crazy.

 

[Purple Man]

The Avengers have really good days, and they have really bad days

 

[Sentry2005]

Well my main issue is the fact that while I liked the Avengers, they were always a team that had the problem of dealing with the weirdest **** in the Marvel universe. The Celestial Madonna, Ultron's robot nuclear family issues, girl on robot on corpse action, fighting the Justice League, fighting the re-animated corpses of dead members animated by the brother of a frequently dead member and pretty much every other plotline being pretty far removed from Marvel reality.

Its strange but the best Avengers story that was ever told, I still think is the frickin Arcade game. If any team in the Marvel Universe was crying out for an Injustice Gang it was the Avengers. I mean while no one's disputing winners like Operation: Galactic Storm, oftentimes it was just downright bizarre.

New Avengers I liked because it removed the toxic influences of Hank Pym's screwed up family dynamics, the Vision's screwed up family dynamics, and plotlines for a lot of B-listers that dominated the storyline with their soap opera antics. The depowering of the team was a major success (thus allowing fights with the Wrecker to be fun) even though I think Thor is desperately needed to give the team some more 'zip.'

Vision works a thousand times better as Iron Lad I think than in the creepy copy of Wonder Man, son of Ultron, wife of Wanda, reanimated Human Torch problem he is. I love the character but I have to admit I tend to like what he DOES more than WHO HE IS.

I'm also taking Hawkeye's lose better than many people no doubt because I know he's alive now and am just waiting for Zemo to screw up so he can take over the Thunderbolts again (I need to get the trades but I liked what I did read).

My biggest worry is I'm a huge Scarlet Witch fan. Even if the Captain and Wanda do sleep together (a pairing FAR less creepy than Vision/Wanda) and there's really good art like this...

I'm not sure I want to see her go crazy.

Yeah... they were fighting weird stuff... the depowering was a success...

Er.

The Avengers were the MIGHTIEST heroes, formed to fight what no single one of them could handle. The reason they had that much power was because if you wanted to read more street level team antics you read a different comic.

Hank Pym and Vision's screwed up family dynamics... Well those 'screwed up family dynamics' brought about one of the BEST Anvegers stories ever (Ultron Unlimited).

You talk about most of their plotlines being removed from reality, but this is a reality where men can be bitten by radioactive spiders and not die of radiation poisoning, where men can survive a nuclear blast hitting them full on, where a family of astronauts can get his by the power cosmic and become frickin' superheroes... It's not exactly the most logical universe to start with.

Sorry to rant at you, but most of the stuff you had a gripe with comes from the Busiek/Perez Avengers run, and that is the run that made me appreicate and love comics as opposed to just think they were kinda cool.

 

[Harlekin]

Anyone who speaks negative about it hasn't had a romantic relationship with a woman (or any other sex, including stuffed animals) and are just bitter about Bendis giving the Avengers a much needed shake up.

Uhm... okay?

 

[Sentry2005]

Anyone who speaks negative about it hasn't had a romantic relationship with a woman (or any other sex, including stuffed animals) and are just bitter about Bendis giving the Avengers a much needed shake up.

Well, you are wrong there mister, because me and sammy the stuffed cuddly seal had the night of our lives a few years back!

And i'm not bitter that he's sahking up the Avengers. I'm bitter that he's doing it wrong

 

[Willowhugger]

Yeah... they were fighting weird stuff... the depowering was a success...

Yep, pretty much.

The Avengers were the MIGHTIEST heroes, formed to fight what no single one of them could handle. The reason they had that much power was because if you wanted to read more street level team antics you read a different comic.

It would have helped if some of the enemies were more interesting to that effect. Galactus is a foe of the Fantastic Four, Doctor Doom is a foe of the Fantastic Four, Magneto is a foe of the X-men, and so on. Yes, its understandable for the Avengers to assemble to fight Ultron or Kang but its a little silly when they end up fighting THE GRIM REAPER!

There's a difference between street level antics and grounded. The Avengers vs. the Hulk, the Avengers versus Magneto, and even the Avengers vs. a Skurll invasion is all perfectly interesting stuff. But I never felt they quite lived up to their promise because their enemies were never as grand as they were purported to be. Mostly because the truly iconic villains mostly belonged to other teams. Say what you will about the Justice League but if Lex Luthor was to fight them or Ra's Al Ghul, it would be perfectly normal.

It's far more rare for guest stars (I loved the Avengers vs. Magneto's takeover of Genosha BTW).

And no offense but barring Thor, Iron Man, and Vision you never really had the 'mightiest' heroes on the team. The most memorable were Captain America and hawkeye as the "normal" guys.

Hank Pym and Vision's screwed up family dynamics... Well those 'screwed up family dynamics' brought about one of the BEST Anvegers stories ever (Ultron Unlimited).

I'm not saying the material was worthless but it turned me off. Hank Pym always was the whipping boy and clearly if his robot was a deranged serial killer because of his mental patterns, he should maybe RETIRE. He sucked up a great deal of space along with Vision/Wanda when I always felt the characters would do better off simply dropping the plotlines.

You talk about most of their plotlines being removed from reality, but this is a reality where men can be bitten by radioactive spiders and not die of radiation poisoning, where men can survive a nuclear blast hitting them full on, where a family of astronauts can get his by the power cosmic and become frickin' superheroes... It's not exactly the most logical universe to start with.

On the contrary, by comic standards, Marvel comics has always been about a trillion times more grounded and consistent than DC or even shorter lived companies like Image. Marvel's never had to have a Crisis on Infinite Earths (or several) to resolve continuity. Barring Quasar and The Infinity Watch, you don't see that much out there (oddly, not even in the Fantastic Four).

Hell, even their space adventures is consistently three major powered races as opposed to X new on.

Sorry to rant at you, but most of the stuff you had a gripe with comes from the Busiek/Perez Avengers run, and that is the run that made me appreicate and love comics as opposed to just think they were kinda cool.

Hey, your mileage may vary. I wouldn't know all this stuff if I wasn't an iternant fan. I just have most of my enjoyment from the New Avengers because its an easier read I think and the characters bounce off each other in new ways.

 

[Harlekin]

I'm going to let somebody else respond to the portions about the Avengers, because some points are just... wrong.

Marvel's never had to have a Crisis on Infinite Earths (or several) to resolve continuity.

A) Onslaught, Heroes Reborn
B) Marvel never had to? Marvel just didn't do it (besides Heroes Reborn, which failed miserably).

 

[MyPokerShirt]

yes. basically whatever nasty things your evil genius mind could think of actually happens.buy it. im gonna...

 

[Kevin]

i hate being the only one, but i liked Avengers Disassembled. i came on at the time New Avengers 1 came out and read Avengers Disassembled after reading New Avengers 1.

 

[CanaryFan]

Anyone who speaks negative about it hasn't had a romantic relationship with a woman (or any other sex, including stuffed animals) and are just bitter about Bendis giving the Avengers a much needed shake up.

LOL! Agree with me or suffer the wrath of my character assassination!

 

[SpideyInATree]

If you like New Avengers than I'm pretty sure you'll like Disassembled.

Though this was what started the Bendis hatred that you'll still see on these boards today.

I'd suggest maybe flipping through it, possibly through back issues, or even flipping through the trade to see if you'll like it. Because it's all up to you whether you want to enjoy something, not other people.

Especially most of the posters here. Everybody has their own opinion but most everybody on this board hates Disassembled with a burning passion in their soul.

It's along the same lines as asking a Spider-Man fan, "Should I buy Sins Past?".

While many long time Spider-Man fans will immediately enter the thread, crucify the storyline for the 1,235th time, tell you that you won't be a real Spider-Man fan for reading it, and then tell you to read something completely different....they're not wrong. But they really need to calm down and let something go.

Moral of the story? While, yes, you're asking others opinions...you should really decide for yourself whether you like it or not. If you feel it's a piece of material that you need to read, then go for it. The worst thing that you can do is let other people think for you and tell you what is good and what's not good. You need to decide for yourself what you like and what you feel is good. Chances are you may like things that many around here don't, or maybe you'll agree with the status quo.

 

[Darthphere]

 

[Kevin]

why does everyone, when someone dies or "dies" (like in the last season of she-hulk) say "NOT LIKE THIS!!"? lol... she-hulk is funny...

 

[gildea]

because of the panel darthphere posted I would hazard a guess..