The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Should Sony move forward with Sinister 6 and Venom?

[spider-neil]

I actually agree that a Black Cat movie could be interesting. If Sony is worried about the awful 2004 Catwoman movie, look to Anne Hathaway's Catwoman. Now imagine she is a little less cynical and has her own movie fighting mobsters. Done.

Otherwise, all Spidey spin-offs sound like a bad idea. First, they have not done a great villain onscreen since Doc Ock. Granted I still take Franco's Goblin over most of the MCU villains, but then again Marvel isn't trying to make a Red Skull or Malekith movie, now are they?

The problem here is that Sony really, really, really wants Avengers money. They are not going to get it, because Avengers are the leads. The "Ocean's 11" idea sounds good for a one sentence pitch. But when you try to unpack it and realize that your leads are Jamie Foxx, Paul Giamatti, and whoever else hamming it up...it is a train wreck.

I still suspect Sony will refocus its efforts on The Amazing Spider-Man 3 and The Amazing Spider-Man 4. After seeing how the villains were received this time out, they can hopefully figure out that they need to make Spidey work again more than they need a quick cash grab that will probably bleed money before it has reached its ending credits.

To be fair, Foxx, Giamatti, Dahann and Ifans are fantastic actors, who have turned in brilliant naunced performances in the past with the right materials to work with and with the right material they can do so in a S6 movie.

 

[Galactus123]

The Sinister Six movie could be great if Spider-Man was in it. I don't want to waste Spider-Man movie for that(too many villians). It should be special movie like The Avengers was.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Was that just comic book fans or the GA? Because no one really knew who the Avengers were at that point. lol

Comic book fans, but as soon as the general audience was educated about what the Avengers were (Iron Man 2 at the very latest, and many knew before between being told by even casual comic fans and seeing Tony Stark in TIH), they were interested pretty much right away.

The Avengers is an easy concept to sell. Get four recognizable individual superheroes and team them up. That hadn't really been done in the genre before, so there was great interest in that. Cross out Marvel and Avengers, and replace it with DC and Justice League and it would have been the same. The concept sells itself.

Compare that to what we are seeing here with Sinister Six, where even a good number (not all, but a fair amount) of Spider-Man fans don't have interest in the project. Dr. Octopus is my favorite Spider-Man villain, and even I have no interest in seeing a film built around him as the hero. A villain is nothing without the hero. So you either have a film that nobody wants to see, or you include Spider-Man as a major character in which case it is a Spider-Man movie and not a spinoff, and doesn't expand the brand the way Sony is trying to do.

 

[The Joker]

The Sinister Six movie could be great if Spider-Man was in it.

Not to mention if the story wasn't about all of them finding redemption. The hacks handling this franchise have no idea how to do a good villain.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Magento could have spent the whole movie hunting nazis. Xavier made it better but I think the movie would have been just as compelling without him.

Magneto is different. He's more of a fallen hero or anti-hero than true villain, and thus even as an antagonist he is sympathetic. His origin story is a compelling one, and he is often redeemed to become a heroic character again.

 

[TWayneP]

They've already made the best spider-man movie possible, so bring on the 6 and VENOM!

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The Sinister Six movie could be great if Spider-Man was in it.

Sure. But then it would be a Spider-Man sequel and not a spinoff like Sony wants. A straight up Spider-Man film with him fighting the Sinister Six could be epic, at least with the right cast and crew.

But Sony wants a larger universe of multiple protagonists, like Marvel, WB, and Fox have. The problem is they don't have the rights to the characters to allow them to do that. They don't have a universe, they have one character and his supporting cast.

 

[Spiderine]

Spiderman fighting the sinister six seems like the supposed idea for AS3. Isn't he about to be confronted by a bunch of villains? So the spinoff of the six wouldn't be about Spiderman facing them. Its about the sinister six and their own adventure.....as stupid as that sounds.

 

[marcvader]

Sure. But then it would be a Spider-Man sequel and not a spinoff like Sony wants. A straight up Spider-Man film with him fighting the Sinister Six could be epic, at least with the right cast and crew.

But Sony wants a larger universe of multiple protagonists, like Marvel, WB, and Fox have. The problem is they don't have the rights to the characters to allow them to do that. They don't have a universe, they have one character and his supporting cast.

Thus they should make do with what they got. Too bad. Make the best Spidey movies you can, focus on that.

 

[Raiden]

I don't believe that making Spider-Man movies without Spidey is gonna work, so I say no to the poll.

 

[spider-neil]

With the S6 movie Sony have the opportunity to do something never seen before to the point where I don't even know how to approach the movie from a logistical stand point as I have no frame of reference so I keep returning to Oceans 11 and The Magnificent 7, but those movies are nothing like 6 super villians interacting together with no protagonist as motivation.

 

[jmc]

I brought this up in another thread but the only way a villains movie works is if they are the heroes within the story - and that doesn't make a lick of sense when they are all going to fight Spider-Man in the next movie. When you have a group of crooks as the leads they need to be seen as the people you support, they need other 'bad guys' to take on, they become anti-heroes in that regard. The problem comes when their primary target is Spider-Man, you can't ask the audience to like the group in one movie then dislike them in the next.

 

[spider-neil]

I brought this up in another thread but the only way a villains movie works is if they are the heroes within the story - and that doesn't make a lick of sense when they are all going to fight Spider-Man in the next movie. When you have a group of crooks as the leads they need to be seen as the people you support, they need other 'bad guys' to take on, they become anti-heroes in that regard. The problem comes when their primary target is Spider-Man, you can't ask the audience to like the group in one movie then dislike them in the next.

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it can't work.

 

[DigificWriter]

There's a difference between a hero and a protagonist. You can have a protagonist that is villainous and remains so throughout a story; it's just a matter of telling the story from the protagonist's point of view.

 

[Sexy Magician]

Maybe.
Although I would like to see Carnage introduced in a Venom movie, I can't wait for a big screen version of Carnage, it has to happen at some point in my life.

 

[Dominikkus]

I think it would be brilliant if they did this. I feel like it would only make the movies that much better with Venom and the Sinister Six.

 

[DigificWriter]

Maybe.
Although I would like to see Carnage introduced in a Venom movie, I can't wait for a big screen version of Carnage, it has to happen at some point in my life.

There's no reason a Venom movie couldn't set up Carnage or even include him even if it focused primarily on telling the Spidey vs. Venom story from Eddie's POV.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Weren't they saying that Carnage would be the antagonist of a Venom movie? I think that makes the most sense IMO.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ I don't believe they've said anything concrete at this point about the Venom movie.

 

[OriginalMiles]

They've been talking about Carnage in a venom movie for a while now.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I can't remember who said it, whether it was Orci or Kurtzman, but it sounded like they were thinking about Carnage being put in a Venom film.

 

[Sexy Magician]

Makes sense to have Carnage the antagonist of a Venom movie,

Maybe introduce Venom in ASM3, then at the start of Venom Eddie Brock is in jail and sharing a cell with Cletus Kasady, symbiote finds it's way back to Eddie, sprouts an offspring, Cletus is ready and waiting and Carnage is born, just like the comics.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I think they said Venom wouldn't appear until his own spin-off film, which would be considered to be an origin story.

 

[Sexy Magician]

I think they said Venom wouldn't appear until his own spin-off film, which would be considered to be an origin story.

How can Venoms first appearance be in his own "Origin" movie unless Spiderman features in it and a good chunk of the movie is spiderman in the black suit?

Eddie Brock hates Spiderman for the whole sin eater stuff and the symbiote hates Peter Parker/Spiderman for rejecting it, that's just Venoms origin, it's how he know Spider-mans true identity, it's why Venom exists in the first place.

 

[Picard Sisko]

How can Venoms first appearance be in his own "Origin" movie unless Spiderman features in it and a good chunk of the movie is spiderman in the black suit?

Eddie Brock hates Spiderman for the whole sin eater stuff and the symbiote hates Peter Parker/Spiderman for rejecting it, that's just Venoms origin, it's how he know Spider-mans true identity, it's why Venom exists in the first place.

Spider-Man would probably have the black suit in his own movie and get rid of it. Then Venom would get the symbiote in his own film and it goes on from there.