Should Stryfe or Selene be the villain for the X-Force movie?

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  1. Dasher10

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    Those are the two most prominent X-Force villains who aren't Apocalypse. Does anyone here know if there's been talk on who the villain is?
     
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    I just finished watching Wolverine and the X-Men the other day, and I would love to see Selene in a film!

    Stryfe is my 1st choice as the villain for X-Force. I really don't know Selene's history with X-Force, but I bought 1 to 2 issues of X-Force (Necrosha X storyline) and I remembered Selene was the villain in those issues. It would be awesome if we finally see her in film.
     
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    I've never really liked the evil clone thing with Stryfe. Selene might be cool.

    I wouldn't mind seeing the Mutant Liberation Front lead by Reignfire.
     
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    Necrosha is a great arc. And something I just realized, Selene is an incredibly powerful yet evil telepath so even if she's the villain, we're still getting a foil for Cable.
     
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    I would start with the Mutant Liberation Front, which will lead into Stryfe as the next villain since he would secrety be the one pulling their strings.

    So which members would make the cut?

    Forearm would be good as muscle.

    Reaper would be pretty cool with his Scythes and all.

    Tempo could be pretty cool, possibly slowing down Boom Boom's bombs, or something like that. Or maybe making Canonball speed up so he slams into a building or something.

    Wildside might be pretty cool, especially his look. He could even be the field leader.

    Zero, as an android, would be cool.
     
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  6. CyclopsWasRight

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    Styfe would have to be in a third or foruth X-Force movie.

    You first have to introduce Cable and have him season a bit before introducing a Clone otherwise it'd be seen as happening to quickly.

    A Repligious group like the Purifiers, who view Mutants as a blight on Gods plan would be excellent villains to introduce to the movie-verse. They'd add team villain which will be the second (Hellfire Club) time that's featured and as non-mutants would make a great unique-ness from what's been seen before.

    Since Stryker has already been used why not substitute Matthew Risman or Grayden Creed, just spell it 'Kread' instead LOL
     
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  7. Super Jim

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    I guess it all comes down to at what point they go with for X-Force. Personally I would have rathered they start with New Mutants and then transition in the first or second movie to X-Force.

    If they start with the current incarnation I'm going to hate it.

    To me this needs to be made up of characters like:

    Cannonball
    Myrage
    Sunspot
    Wolfsbane

    Cypher would be cool and lead to Warlock.

    Boom Boom would be cool as far as her powers.

    Magik would be great since we know Colossus.

    So if we get a younger, less experienced X-Force with members who meet Cable, who then decides to train this group to be new platoon like squad, I'll be very happy.

    For this incarnation a good choice for the first movie, one where they would need to meet Cable (or that could be in movie #2), is the Hellions.

    Just imagine Emma Frost (new actress please) as the creator of a new school for mutants (called the Massachusetts Academy or something like that). Somehow it could be explained that she is much older than she looks...

    Have the Hellions students/team members made up of:

    Empath - Might be tough to do his powers, but possible.

    Beef - Always need a powerhouse, right?

    Catseye - Just love the name. The powers are a little iffy, but maybe to go up against Wolfsbane?

    Tarot - Her powers could be pretty cool. Flying around while standing on one of her cards, projecting the image off of the card or just predicting the future.

    It is too bad that Thunderbird is in this next movie. He could have been a great Hellion addition (instead of Beef).

    I guess Selene could be written into this story. Maybe Selene manipulates the New Mutants/X-Force into going against the White Queen and the Hellions.

    Fitzroy could be another possibility since he is ultimately the cause of the demise of the Hellions. Especially since they aren't using him in DOFP! Maybe Selene manipulates the New Mutants and causes them to meet up with Fitzroy at the same time as the Hellions do. Cable shows up, helps lead them, and the result is the X-Force members good to go and the majority of Hellions dead (by Fitzroy) and Emma in a coma.

    Maybe have one of the Hellions a character that will live and join the New Mutants/X-Force. How about...

    Magma!
     
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    They have been strongly hinting at going 90s X-Force with Remenders Uncanny X-Force.

    So I wouldn't expect alot of those characters you mentioned. Thats a great idea for New Mutants but I would hate X-Force to go that route. They need to leave the option for New Mutants separate. If I was to bet I would say a Cable, Deadpool and Domino focused team with some UXF characters. Not having Deadpool or Domino is gonna disappoint alot of the fan base for this flick. I highly doubt it's gonna be revolving around any new schools or young students. We already have 4 movies that take care of that. No point in making an X-Force film that would feel the same as a New Mutants or an X-Men film. It's gotta stand out on it's own and characters.

    I'm fine with either Stryfe or Selene as a Villain. I like the idea of a main Female antagonist alot.
     
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    psylockolussus Well-Known Mutant

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    A main female antagonist would be very refreshing.

    So far guys have been the main antagonists for the first six films- Magneto, Stryker, Sebastian Shaw and Silver Samurai. And in DOFP, its Bolivar Trask I guess.
     
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    Well the good thing about the X-Men Franchise is although there have been no main female villains there have been lots of secondary female villains; Mystique :-)hrt:) Deathstrike, Phoenix, Calisto, Arclight, Emma Frost, Angel Salvadore & Viper.

    On the MS front they have Maya Hansen and the Extremis woman
     
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    When was the last time there was a main female villain in control in a comic film? My minds blank right now. Talia I guess?

    X-Men has the best female characters in comics period imo. So def would like to see that played up more.
     
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    Personally I would like to see them start with more of a New Mutants list of characters in their X-Force, as I mentioned earlier. I'm not sure how you could have X-Focre and the New Mutants separate (they are the same things!). But from there Cable's X-Force could happen, and that includes Domino and such. In my opinion I would rather see Deadpool as a possible villain in X-Force (done right this time - with the mask and attitude and all), which could lead to him in his own flick.

    I still feel that Emma Frost deserves to be a strong female antagonist. And making her the leader of the Hellions does this perfectly. It would make a great origins movie for X-Force!
     
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    Maybe if your living only in the early 90s they seem like they are the same since X-Force originates there. X-force was created to be a much more agressive group regardless, even with some of the same New Mutant characters. New Mutants took awhile to transform into that, without Cable or other bad asses ya got nothing. New Mutants since the 80s was about a team of younger students too young to be X-Men but old enough to train. X-Force is a group that takes more hardcore action against threats. And now usually is a team of mercs, assassins, violent characters that are mentally unstable and given a more adult feel then then any other mutant books. They serve different purposes.

    Ones about training new kids training and the other is pretty much the GI Joe of X-Men by way of hit squad with an invitation to more crazy and deadly individuals. Pretty Big difference.
     
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    ^ The New Mutants were turned into X-Force by Cable. That's what I want to see for an amazing second movie. The first movie (the New Mutants Origin) would be what I described above, versus the Hellions. Cable would be brought into things in this one...

    Then... Issue 100 baby!!!!!

    Adapted, of course. With characters like Cannonball and Boom Boom from the original team, Domino, Feral, Shatterstar and then Cable as the leader.

    This would make the badass platoon style X-Force. So I agree with you, you need Cable and "other bad asses". These movies would be all about a more militant force led by Cable. But the question is do you just start off already having an X-Force team formed with Cable and Domino already there, or do you show the forming of the team, which means first introducing the New Mutants. I think that that would be better!
     
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    While I can respect that idea. They are not focusing on the kids from the mansion , they said the films about characters that don't make it there and there will only be 5 members. So using New Mutants as a starting point more then likely wont happen. It took 83 issues for New Mutants to start to transition into X-Force. New Mutants should probably be its own thing as it existed beyond X-Force and vice versa. Both work better separate. NM can start and exist without Cable or Wolverine. X-Force can't for the most part. Cable is the star and focus here.

    If they make X-Force start off as New mutants then they are basically throwing away a title they can focus on younger students with. Both these can be franchises. They have very different themes going on. I can almost guarntee that the X-Force film is gonna be the Cable Deadpool show for the most part. And that would not be a mistake. They are next in the line of most marketable characters that Fox wanna get to and most talked amongst fans minus Psylocke. Who can also appear here since they seem to be hinting at using UXF as well.
     
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    Can we agree that there are plenty of options for mutant teams?

    There's:

    The New Mutants/X-Force

    X-Factor

    Excalibre

    So they really don't need to have separate New Mutants and X-Force if it's solely to keep both as options. Plus they could start with X-Force and then do a prequel with a New Mutants movie.

    Personally I would rather see an origin movie for X-Force since that team is an offshoot of a different team. If they simply devoted one movie to the X-Force Origins, maybe even calling it that, then they could establish things and have an amazing second movie.

    See by starting with young mutants that are not part of the X-Men, but are being trained in the mansion, you create the connection. Start with a group of five that are put into some situation where they are away from the Professor and the other X-Men. Cameos could work though, showing these young mutants being trained at the mansion. Maybe even Wolverine as the cameo/combat trainer...

    Anyway, they are tricked away from the mansion by Selene, are pitted against the Hellions who is led by the White Queen, and once Fitzroy shows up the Hellions and New Mutants/X-Force team up to take him down with the result being many of the Hellions dead (you always need loss), the White Queen in a coma, and Cable and Domino taking those who want to (Cannonball and Boom Boom) to be part of this militant force.

    Just makes sense having an origins movie for X-Force, which means members of the New Mutants, which would lead to the second movie with Cable leading Domino, Cannonball, Boom Boom and another, like Feral. For this one having a real Deadpool as a villain would be good. And somehow he could end up with Cable, setting up the third movie.

    Ultimately Stryfe would have to be the villain as the leader of the Mutant Liberation Force.

    But no, what they will do is just start with the current X-Force, which means more Wolverine. I love Wolverine, but it's time to take a break from him!!!!!!!
     
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    X Force should have nothing to do (initially, at least) with Wolverine or the other X-Men.

    Given the size and population of the entire planet, it's easy to believe that other teams of vigilantes/peacekeepers/activists arise that have nothing to do with the X-Men.

    We've already missed the chance for a truly international team of mutants, as the new X-Men were in the comics when Xavier recruited them from all across the globe. I loved that concept (even though it missed including a British mutant!).
     
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    ^ Agree, would have loved to have seen Xavier go out and find the mutants from Canada, the U.S., Germany, Japan, Scotland, Russia and Africa. Now that would have been an amazing start to an amazing series.

    In fact I kind of wish that this could be where they go if they ever decide to reboot...

    Anyway, I can't agree with you about X-Force not at least being affiliated with the X-Men. The "X" is in there for a reason!

    They have already gone too far away from the comic book canon, and I don't want to see them go further. Starting with New Mutants for just one movie allows for Cable (and Domino) to be brought in, which would set up the X-Force to be really good. Imagine a starting X-Force with Cable, Domino, Feral, Shatterstar, Cannonball and Boom Boom? Now that is something I'd pay for. But no, they will include Wolverine and Deadpool because those characters are popular. But this is where Fox loses in the whole super hero movie department.

    We need an origin movie for X-Force, and that means at least one movie with the New Mutants!!!!!
     
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    Yes, it would make a great reboot concept. The international flavour of the new X-Men would surely help the movie have greater global appeal too.

    That could be an option, yep. How do they bring in Cable and Domino though? Where do those two come from? How do they end up at the mansion in the movieverse (presuming the mansion is still around, it probably will be in the fixed timeline after DoFP).

    But I don't think your first X Force roster will happen. They'll definitely add Deadpool and <sigh> probably include Wolverine. I just hope Wolverine isn't Cable (as in Ultimate X-Men), but I fear that's the road Fox will go down.
     
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    Fox will add popular characters for a reason. Yes we should and probably will get some original members but the others will be ones that appeal to wider audiences, not just X-Force fans. If they started with an all basically original X-Force team we would probably not even get a sequel because Shatterstar, Feral, Boom-Boom and to a lesser extent Cannonball, although they're amazing and interesting characters the matter-of-fact is they won't make as much money as say a team consisting of Deadpool, Psylocke and Wolverine and money is ultimately the end goal for FOX.

    As a massive X-Force and X-Men fan I would rather get a X-Force franchise with characters that weren't in the original lineup than a stand-alone film with the original team.
     
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    I love my 90s X-Force but Remenders UXF is much more compelling just on a character level. The Material is also just better with those characters. Would benefit alot form that.

    X-Men 1 or X Men First Class are not even close to the roster of the books. Won't be an issue, especially here.
     
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    See if they gave us a good New Mutants/X-Force origin movie they could still use certain characters as cameos to get them on the poster. For example, if they started with say 5 members of the New Mutants they could start in the X-Mansion with Wolverine (Hugh) as their combat trainer. This shows the X-Mansion as the central home for the "good" mutants being trained to be "good" mutants. It brings Wolverine in, but not as a central star.

    But then this group would be out of the mansion. Away from Xavier, Wolverine, Storm, etc. They would then have the focus and be put into a situation where they have to act on their own. They would be saved by Cable (and Domino) who would then become their leader. This way you have a great origin movie, with a real Cable (not Wolverine-Cable), and Domino, both badass and necessary characters, and they would then move away from the New Mutant nomenclature and become the X-Force paramilitary style group, setting the next movie.

    And things could change from there, once you have established the new team. Movie two could start months later with Cable having trained this group. They should have a couple of the young original members, like Cannonball and Boom Boom, which maintains that connection, and then the rest would be Cable and Domino and maybe one other, like a Feral or Shatterstar. That would give five really good characters, with the needed Cable and Domino.

    This one could just go wrong so easily. Yes, having Wolverine in the movie, pretty much any X movie, is good for turnout. But does he have to be a main member of the team? I say no. Have him as an instructor and he's in the movie and can be billed as such. Give him one good scene where he teaches them some important thing, like sometimes you need to make hard choices and hesitating can lead to devastating loss. Something that will come back into the story later.

    Also look at any good X movie (there's a couple) and you will find a story that has some older characters and some young, impressionable characters. This would work for an X-Force origin movie as well. And of course the young members would change due to the teachings of Cable, making a totally badass team in #2!

    But no, you guys are right, Fox will probably screw this up as well!!!!!:cmad:
     
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    Nope this is gonna be awesome.
     
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    ^ So you want Wolverine as a main character in X-Force?
     
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    X-force Is looking like a cross between Liefeld X-Force and Uncanny X-force.
    That means wolverine as played by Hugh jackman could be in film with Cable,
    Domino,Deadpool,and Psylocke.That's my bet for lineup.


    as for villain I think Stryfe Is way too complicated to be used as clone of Cable.
    I think Apocalypse Is most likely villain Instead of Stryfe or Selene.

    If wolverine Is left out we could be looking at another member of Cable's X-force being used in film.

    But X-force consisting of wolverine,Cable,Domino,Deadpool,and Psylocke Vs
    Apocalypse would excite X fans.
     
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