Comics sick of gwen stacey

[Venomfan]

ok im reading spiderman blue, and yah its really good and all, but that story plus many others also r starting to piss me off, for instance how peter is married to MJ yet hed prefer to have valentines day with gwen, it was done great, making her his first love, and killing her off, it worked great, but man get over it and look at the woman u have, u can love more then one woman in ur lifetime man

 

[Kool-Aid]

How can you say that? THATS IT NO PUDDING FOR YOU!!! NOW GO TO YOUR ROOM YOUNG MAN!!

 

[JackBauer]

y'know who else is overplayed? Venom.

 

[gliderpilotgirl]

He has a point, There is too much moping about Gwen done. ( Sins Past, Sins Remembered, Blue) plus innumerable other stories...She was his first love, and there truly is something special about first love, and he will certainly not forget her, but they have done MJ a disservice with it. Personally, ( with the exception of Ultimate Gwen, who is cool ) I dislike Gwen because of the all moping.
Venomfan, if you want to see a good story where MJ gets the love she should , in comparison with Gwen, go find "Web of Romance" from this year's Valentines Day. ( It's awesome )

 

[Kool-Aid]

Sins Past, Sins Remembered

Wouldn't you be sad if a hack writer tried to convince everyone your first love ****ed your worst enemy?

 

[gliderpilotgirl]

yeah..I'd be angry too, but that's not the point, the point is, she's dead. Why not focus on MJ? she has family..other than Aunt Anna! why not tell stories about what happened to Gail and her kids, or where MJ's dad is? point being, writers need to find relevant stories to tell, not do retcons about long dead characters because they are out of stories ( and I do agree with you, both the Sins stories were horrible )

 

[ragingdemon155]

It's widely known among Spider-man fans that Gwen needs to take a back seat in the 616. I do get upset when writers try to bring up this notion that Peter somehow loves her more then he does MJ (Case and point, House of M). Thats just ridiculous. Writers continue to cheapen her character time and time again when they decide to use her up in stories for no apparent reason.

 

[JackBauer]

yeah..I'd be angry too, but that's not the point, the point is, she's dead. Why not focus on MJ? she has family..other than Aunt Anna! why not tell stories about what happened to Gail and her kids, or where MJ's dad is? point being, writers need to find relevant stories to tell, not do retcons about long dead characters because they are out of stories ( and I do agree with you, both the Sins stories were horrible )

true enough.

but before focusing on MJ, they have to fix the mess that Spidey has become.

 

[CConn]

There's no effing way Blue overdid Gwen. I mean, that was supposed to be a bit of a retelling of classic Spider-Man. Gwen needed to be there as much as any other character.

Now Sins Past, Sins Remembered, they overdid it.

 

[Kool-Aid]

yeah..I'd be angry too, but that's not the point, the point is, she's dead. Why not focus on MJ? she has family..other than Aunt Anna! why not tell stories about what happened to Gail and her kids, or where MJ's dad is? point being, writers need to find relevant stories to tell, not do retcons about long dead characters because they are out of stories ( and I do agree with you, both the Sins stories were horrible )

Still thats only three stories that you mentioned and only one counts. So why can't there be one story that is mainly about Gwen? Its not like they dedicate every issue to her. Plus MJ stopped being cool after she died.

 

[Kool-Aid]

I do get upset when writers try to bring up this notion that Peter somehow loves her more then he does MJ (Case and point, House of M).

Scarlet Witch gave him what he wanted and was that the peopple in his life never died. If Gwen would've never died Pete probably would've ended up with her. In Amazing Spider-Man 121 Pete kept saying she was the only women he'd ever love.

On a side note, Stan Lee even said he didn't approve of killing her off.

 

[DACrowe]

Well I don't mind a little thing. Like him saying the pain will never fully go away and donating a library to her. Or visiting her grave in the dark one night at the beginning of Sin's Past was a nice touch. But him having to imagine her when looking at MJ or ditching Valentine's Day with MJ for Gwen is stupid.


The writers are so afraid now to move Pete forward. He barely thought of Gwen in the '80s and married MJ with some reservations but the point was he was letting Gwen go. Then for the longest time he had other tragedies (Harry, losing Ben Reily, losing Aunt May, losing Baby May, Howard Mackie, getting Aunt May back...and so on) and then all of a sudden they are saying he is more in love with Gwen.

To be honest Gwen was boring. A good character for him to date and a lot like himself and a great tragedy that defines the character in the comics (as much as Uncle Ben) but for him to be there in that mindset now. Peter should be thinking about the future having a baby with MJ....not unmasking himself to the world and joining the ****ing Avengers and becoming Iron Man's (in a bad George W. Bush parody) ****ing puppet.

Just my opinion though.

 

[gliderpilotgirl]

true enough.

but before focusing on MJ, they have to fix the mess that Spidey has become.

I agree 100%

Still thats only three stories that you mentioned and only one counts. So why can't there be one story that is mainly about Gwen? Its not like they dedicate every issue to her. Plus MJ stopped being cool after she died.

No, there is nothing wrong with her getting a story, or being remembered but when she is usurping MJ's place ( in Peter's thoughts and heart ) constantly, it gets tiresome. And blame "MJ isn't cool anymore" on the writers

 

[Kool-Aid]

I miss my gogo dancing MJ, wherever she was the party was. *sigh*

 

[MyPokerShirt]

ok im reading spiderman blue, and yah its really good and all, but that story plus many others also r starting to piss me off, for instance how peter is married to MJ yet hed prefer to have valentines day with gwen, it was done great, making her his first love, and killing her off, it worked great, but man get over it and look at the woman u have, u can love more then one woman in ur lifetime man

dodgiest title to a thread in a SM fan board EVER. but you make a good point. i was gonna buy this trade. is it too heavy on gwen then? and how superhero much action is there actually in it? sounds like, well -- none!

 

[Kool-Aid]

Its great, pick it up.

 

[CConn]

Nearly anything with Loeb and Sale on the cover is fantastic.

 

[Kool-Aid]

Yes it is.

 

[Carnage 707]

Yeah, thye do lay it on a little thick sometimes with the Gwen stuff.....


With the way they have him acting now, Here's Peter's Funeral visit to do list....

RUSH RUSH RUSH to Gwen's grave... leave 20 metric tons of flowers, leave MJ in hot car while I mope for 5 hours.

Aunt May is alive now, skip hers.

Visit Uncle Ben's grave, think about power and responsibility while thinking of ways to make my secret Identity even MORE well known to the public.

MJ said somethin' about visiting a grave of a kid named May, not sure why.... seems like that name should ring as bell..... ah well..... hey look some dude was named Ben Rielly, I should tell MJ about that... seems familiar too....

 

[Kool-Aid]

Hopefully he leaves the windows up while shes in there.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

dogs do die in hot cars



what? it had to be said. mj's lov-er-ly really

 

[Dragon]

Gwen was badass. Smart, sexy, tough, daughter of a cop killed in action, we knew nothing about her mother, and she happened to be the love of Spider-Man. How much untapped story potential was there with her? If there's a character that never got their due, its her.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Gwen has been overplayed recently, no doubt. She is Peter's first love and should be remembered as such but Pete is married now and should focus on his wife. Stories like Spider-Man:Blue are fine ways to use Gwen, but not stories like Sins Past, which serve no purpose. Stop mentioning Gwen? Never. But give her a rest.

gliderpilotgirl is completely right in that there are a lot of stories that could be done with MJ. I want to know what happened to her family too.

 

[Cyclops]

You can guarantee that with Marvel's track record of incorporating the Spider-Movies into the Spider-Comics, that Gwen's gonna get retread all over the place next year if not resurrected altogether.

MJ should hang out with Emma Frost more often. After all, it was Emma who said something to the degree of "I rate below a corpse" in reference to Scott and Jean, so she and MJ have alot in common. House of M proved that.

 

[Eye Doc]

I miss my gogo dancing MJ, wherever she was the party was. *sigh*

You have a point. I don't think we should see MJ working at the gloom room a go go anytime soon, but I do miss the spirit she use to have. Like one guy posted earlier, MJ did become a little less cool after Gwen died.

A person can mature and still be high spirited and fun. MJ is portrayed way to seriously in my mind. I think if the character was handled a little more like Stan's original conception, she'd be perceived much better by the readers, especially those who hate the fact that Pete's married.

Eye Doc


Who'd actually write MJ like K. Smith handles Felicia, which is probably how Stan would write the character if he were creating her today.