Siege Ends The Avengers

I gradually lost interest in Spider-Man over time. He used to be my favorite character, but then I discovered Thor, and then Spider-Man's comics started sucking, and then OMD happened. OMD was just the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

Agreed. Pre Civil War and even through it, Spider-Man was a crucial character in the MU...Then OMD happened. Since then, not only has the quality of his own books declined, but also the importance of the character in the MU. And with the Big 3 returning and leading the Avengers, it doesnt look good for my favorite wall crawler. I can see him as a roster fill in, but not as full time member.
 
I'm glad New Avengers is ending but I'm not sure I want whats next if it's still Bendis writing the "New Old Adjectiveless Avengers" also this means Dan Slott's Avengers will be ending soon and if you're not pissed about that you hate good comics.

Well Slott I doubt will leave an Avenger title. Marvel put him on the title for a reason.

I'm sure they will just replace the four titles with four other titles.

I read on a board somewhere that fury would have "avengers force" -- makes sense other then the fact I don't think they have canceled secret worriors yet

A Main Avenger title
An avenger title with spider-man in it.
and Avenger Academy
 
I expected something like this, but not quite so drastic. Just PLEASE don't give Bendis the whole franchise again. It had no soul when it was just him writing "NA". I really want Slott to keep a team book like he's gotten to do for the last year in "MA".

I sense pain and misery on the horizon. :(

Yeah, everyone who's wishing Bendis away is gonna be disappointed.

Including me. :csad:

To be honest, the fact that Bendis WILL be given the "flagship" Avengers title is inevitable. He wrote the best selling version for years. I wouldn't be surprised if he got at least 2 books. However, if Marvel thinks they can continue to sell some 4 Avengers titles (not including Ultimate), they will. I mean, they're happy selling at least 3 X-Men books, or 5 Deadpool books, or 2-4 Wolverine books, or heck, 2 Hulk ongoing titles plus mini's and one shots. Spider-Man is up to 2 ongoing titles again, and one ships three times a month.

I think there is a chance that all these titles will be relaunched in some fashion. Gage kept A:TI going into a third year and usually books that make it 3 years get relaunched at least once before being canned. And Dan Slott is becoming a bigger name at Marvel these days too, writing ASM. So there is some hope.
 
HOPE IS DEAD. GO HOME. :cmad:

But in all seriousness, I really do wish that it turns out we're gonna get at least 1 alternative to Bendisvengers. Just 1, I'm not a greedy man.
 
I know this is sorta off topic so forgive me but i just read the entirety of Warren Ellis' run on Thunderbolts for the first time and holy frikken GOD that was some amazing comic books. That book puts Dark Avengers to shame. THAT should have been THE book for Dark Reign instead of DA. The only thing going for DA was Deodato's artwork but Bendis really didnt do ANYTHING with that book. Ellis took you on a crazed, insane journey with Norman Osborn and a bunch of psychotic villains in control and the build up was exceptionally well done. I feel like this was the kind of book i was expecting throughout Dark reign but never got.

Anyway, just wanted to mention that. lol
 
I gradually lost interest in Spider-Man over time. He used to be my favorite character, but then I discovered Thor, and then Spider-Man's comics started sucking, and then OMD happened. OMD was just the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

Where did I put my violin?

:awesome:
 
Well, speaking as someone who likes Bendis' writing, I'm NOT happy to see a New Avengers Finale. I don't know whether it was his writing or the roster that just gave the team some kind of spice that made them a lot more upbeat than previous incarnations of Avengers. And I think that was the plan when the title started years ago. Bendis was able to polish it up, so it seemed like something fresh, even though about half its members were Avengers previously. I mean really, I think there's a lot of great chemistry there, I don't think Marvel should mess with that.

But it would be cool for Marvel to let you guys have you Classic Avengers (with Slott at the helm) and anti-Bendis folk to have your title, so guys like me -- who can't wait to get to shop on Wednesdays to read his many pages of what's collectively known as "Bendis-talk" -- don't have to get their head chewed off on here... :woot:

Really, am I systemic-anomaly on this one?
 
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Bendis also said that Wolverine would still be around, though he'd be sitting out the Siege stuff because of Utopia before showing up again.

And yet you have Siege promos dealing with him and his son and is credited as one of the major characters next to Loki, Norman Osborn, Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, and Spider-Man.
 
Well, speaking as someone who likes Bendis' writing, I'm NOT happy to see a New Avengers Finale. I don't know whether it was his writing or the roster that just gave the team some kind of spice that made them a lot more upbeat than previous incarnations of Avengers.

And I think that was the plan when the title started years ago. Bendis was able to polish it up, so it seemed like something fresh, even though about half its members were Avengers previously. I mean really, I think there's a lot of great chemistry there, I don't think Marvel should mess with that.

But it would be cool for Marvel to let you guys have you Classic Avengers and anti-Bendis folk to have your title, so guys like me -- who can't wait to get to shop on Wednesdays to read his many pages of what's collectively known as "Bendis-talk" -- don't have to get their head chewed off on here... :woot:

Really, am I systemic-anomaly on this one?
Bendis will still be on the Avengers after Siege. He even said during an interview following the announcement of Siege that he's so excited for the Avengers movie that he doesn't want off the Avengers title.

We're most likely going to have the best of both worlds, Bendis writing the Classic Avengers.
 
Frankly as long as Bendis doesn't go off into ******ed crap like Bucky killing Hiter, I don't mind him writing the classic Avengers. I thought he did a decent job with Mighty Avengers.
 
To be fair to Bendis, he technically he never wrote the "classic" Avengers. He started on Avengers for Disassembled...I think...I'm pretty wasted right now.
 
I hope hawkeye,quicksilver and tigra will be on this team.
 
Frankly as long as Bendis doesn't go off into ******ed crap like Bucky killing Hiter, I don't mind him writing the classic Avengers. I thought he did a decent job with Mighty Avengers.

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As for Bendis. He should take Luke, Spider-woman, Ares, Wolverine, Spider-man, and VooDoo and form the New Invaders.


First mission. Afghanistan.


:cap: :cap: :cap:
 
I think Spider-Man would fit even less with a team like that than he does with the Avengers. :o
 
I believe there could be 2 possibly 3 Avenger books. The obvious would be the main Avengers book with Marvel’s Trinity headlining. The second book could still be a type of ‘Dark’ Avengers book not to be confused w/ Norman Osborn’s group but an Avengers wet works team a’la X-Force-this team would do the missions that the regular Avengers could not publicly be involved with and they would directly report to SHIELD’s new director Steve Roger (we know he’s taking the position) and Hawkeye as the team leader. And the 3rd possible book could be a new version of Young Avengers meets the New Warriors with a hint of the Initiative but minus the rotating cast. I’m just guessing but I would love to see the first 2 books in print.
 
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I'd be disappointed if they did a "wetworks team" for the Avengers. The Avengers as a concept just doesn't support that idea, in my opinion. They're supposed to be the best and brightest of Marvel's superheroes; the shining examples that other heroes look up to. I certainly wouldn't want to learn that a team with a reputation like that sanctions some kind of seedy, cloak-and-dagger murder squad the way the X-Men sanction X-Force.
 
^ I'm with ya Corpy. And double goes for Steve Rogers condoning any kind of nonsense like that.
 
Oh, hell yeah, that would be a pretty tough breach of Steve's character for me to get over.
 
If we could have an core Avenger book with Iron Man, Cap, Thor, Spidey, and Luke (plus others)... and no more with the tie-ins, lead ups, events, and everything else... I might actually like it and want to continue collecting. But since they're likely to relaunch all these titles into equal Avenger-centric titles... I'm not that interested. I'm kinda looking at these endings as a great jumping off point.

I'll likely get whatever the Young Avengers star in since I like them, but that's about it. I'm not saying for certain, but most likely.
 
Though it does make me sad. New Avengers was the only place I could get a tolerable Spider-Man since OMD :(
 
What is likely happening is all of the titles are being relaunched. NEW AVENGERS will likely just become "THE AVENGERS" and Bendis will write that, with the big three on it. To be fair, his original New Avengers line up had Cap and Iron Man in it, and he has Thor now instead of Sentry. I imagine Spider-Man, Wolverine, Luke Cage, and Spider-Woman would remain and fill out the cast. Bendis may finally have a chance to tell whatever stories he wanted to tell, without having to shift away to pretend he was always alluding to stuff like SECRET INVASION or whatnot. That is, he doesn't have to deliberately leave gaps in his stories to be filled in later. Least for those who like his stuff.

I imagine Christos Gage's AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE will be relaunched; the main rumor is something called "AVENGERS ACADEMY". This is perfectly fine; the X-Men seem to always have some junior team hanging around in print, whether it is called New X-Men, New Mutants, Generation X, Academy X, or whatever. Why not the Avengers? Sales on that book have slipped since Slott left, even if the quality actually improved (an amazing feat), but it still will likely last 3 years within the Top 75 despite only starring B, C, and D list characters; to Marvel that has to be seen as an accomplishment, worth at least one relaunch stab.

The biggest question mark is Dan Slott's MIGHTY AVENGERS. The whole gimmick of the post-SIEGE era is to reunite the "classic" Avengers, but some could argue MIGHTY AVENGERS already did that in a way. The only "new" characters on that team are Amadeus Cho (by virtue of being Hercules' sidekick), and Stature & Vision Jr. from YOUNG AVENGERS (by virtue of Vision being Vision, and Stature being a legacy character). Considering the line up, it really is AVENGERS WEST COAST by another name, but editorial seems to dislike that name. Of course, this is the same editorial who thought calling a mini series "MARVEL DIVAS" was a good idea and then were stunned it failed to catch on. :doh: With sales slipping on MIGHTY, it could do with a relaunch to spike things for a month or two. The riddle is what to call it, if MIGHTY AVENGERS won't just be repeated. NEW MIGHTY AVENGERS?

Marvel could just merge Bendis and Slott's titles into one bi-weekly AVENGERS book, much like AMAZING SPIDER-MAN merged ASM alongside it's two other side titles, but that has been more of an experiment than a changing of the guard in terms of strategy. If Marvel won't merge their X-titles into one book, they certainly won't for the Avengers. I mean hell, Deadpool at this point could be merged into one book.

I plan on ignoring whatever Avengers title Bendis is on. I read his NEW AVENGERS well over four years and my reaction to it went from disappointment to annoyance to loathing to outright dread. For every issue that Bendis wrote that was even mediocre, he had another issue that was either terrible, or some long winded lecture about some character or genre convention disguised as a story. NEW AVENGERS continues to be the most overrated thing on the racks. While it has done wonders for Spider-Woman and Luke Cage, Spider-Man has become more of a laughing stock since, and Wolverine's been of no consequence. Bendis also has no ability to write Thor or many other high powered heroes. When he tries to amp up a character he likes, like Hood, he shows no patience to do it right and instead goes for Chapter 10 before he properly finishes Chapter 2, making the transition awkward. He has some solid ideas, but little idea of how to efficiently execute them. That hasn't changed, and unless SIEGE really surprises me, it won't just because of a new #1 and a new title.

Dan Slott is a gold mine for merging old school continuity with new story angles; like a Kurt Busiek with more of a sense of humor. His MIGHTY AVENGERS has gotten better as it has gone along and has done wonders to redeem some characters such as Hank Pym and Quicksilver. He gets that the Avengers are about sun drenched heroes taking on larger than life threats, instead of ninjas in a hotel room. I certainly want to see him on an Avengers title longer than a year and a half.

Christos Gage has been Dan Slott's co-writer for a while at times, and he often makes Slott's stories even better at times. But since taking over for AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE over the last year, he's made that book into a must read every month. He has a talent for plucking any character from the Marvel Handbook, whether a B-List New Warrior or a Z-List "who's that" character like Johnny Guitar and write them excellently with however much time they have per issue, whether 10 pages or four panels. Characters that other writers would just insert for a punch-line or an expendable body, Gage understands and tries to do justice to. His work seems under appreciated at times, as he also usually does some random side work for the crossover du jour, but he often can make a generic story seem exciting by execution. As much as I would hate to lose MIGHTY AVENGERS every month in some form, I would also hate to lose AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE. I mean, where else can you expect characters like Justice, Tigra, Constrictor, Taskmaster, Prodigy, and so on to show up and be used well?

Right now, I read MA and A:TI and skip NA. They can retitle, renumber, and relaunch them, but I'll still read the Slott and Gage books, and skip Bendis'.
 
The biggest question mark is Dan Slott's MIGHTY AVENGERS. The whole gimmick of the post-SIEGE era is to reunite the "classic" Avengers, but some could argue MIGHTY AVENGERS already did that in a way. The only "new" characters on that team are Amadeus Cho (by virtue of being Hercules' sidekick), and Stature & Vision Jr. from YOUNG AVENGERS (by virtue of Vision being Vision, and Stature being a legacy character). Considering the line up, it really is AVENGERS WEST COAST by another name, but editorial seems to dislike that name. Of course, this is the same editorial who thought calling a mini series "MARVEL DIVAS" was a good idea and then were stunned it failed to catch on. :doh: With sales slipping on MIGHTY, it could do with a relaunch to spike things for a month or two. The riddle is what to call it, if MIGHTY AVENGERS won't just be repeated. NEW MIGHTY AVENGERS?

Marvel could just merge Bendis and Slott's titles into one bi-weekly AVENGERS book, much like AMAZING SPIDER-MAN merged ASM alongside it's two other side titles, but that has been more of an experiment than a changing of the guard in terms of strategy. If Marvel won't merge their X-titles into one book, they certainly won't for the Avengers. I mean hell, Deadpool at this point could be merged into one book.

That would be awesome! If Bendis and Slott co-wrote a bimonthly Avengers book? I'm sure neither of them would do it, though. On his team books, Bendis could certainly use a partner. And who better than Dan Slott?
 

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