Siegel & Shuster vs WB: Superman and Infinite Crisis

[Robin91939]

I believe this.

I've actually e-mailed back and forth with Dan Harris a couple of times. I'm a struggling screen writer looking for opinions. I've talked to him about some of his original ideas for the SUPERMAN RETURNS script. Also, I told him I had to say the obligatory "fan" thing....all I said was "Brain.i.a.c". He then responded with, "don't worry, I'm a fan too ".

So I'm almost 100% sure this is who we will see. That, what Brandon said at the DVD/GAME release party, and now this and what Mike said about two villains is all pretty much confirming this news.

So I think that what we are looking at is something like this:

Main Villain: BRAIN.I.A.C.
Secondary Villain: Lex Luthor. Luthor has changed his goals and now sees this as an alien problem. He now knows of two Kryptonians on earth (Superman and Jason) and realizes what this means for humanity. He becomes much more political, looking for what will protect humans against this "threat". He is elected as a public official and starts "Project CADMUS" as a means to research and develop a way to stop Superman. One of the outcomes of CADMUS could be either Metallo or Bizzaro.

I think it will be something like that.

-R

 

[Super Kal]

um, it's Brainiac, not Brain.i.a.c.

 

[dark_b]

I believe this.

I've actually e-mailed back and forth with Dan Harris a couple of times. I'm a struggling screen writer looking for opinions. I've talked to him about some of his original ideas for the SUPERMAN RETURNS script. Also, I told him I had to say the obligatory "fan" thing....all I said was "Brain.i.a.c". He then responded with, "don't worry, I'm a fan too ".

So I'm almost 100% sure this is who we will see. That, what Brandon said at the DVD/GAME release party, and now this and what Mike said about two villains is all pretty much confirming this news.

So I think that what we are looking at is something like this:

Main Villain: BRAIN.I.A.C.
Secondary Villain: Lex Luthor. Luthor has changed his goals and now sees this as an alien problem. He now knows of two Kryptonians on earth (Superman and Jason) and realizes what this means for humanity. He becomes much more political, looking for what will protect humans against this "threat". He is elected as a public official and starts "Project CADMUS" as a means to research and develop a way to stop Superman. One of the outcomes of CADMUS could be either Metallo or Bizzaro.

I think it will be something like that.

-R

nice

i think interesting would also be a lex that goes insane and thinks that superman is the bad guy on earth.

 

[Brainiac 2009]

I believe this.

I've actually e-mailed back and forth with Dan Harris a couple of times. I'm a struggling screen writer looking for opinions. I've talked to him about some of his original ideas for the SUPERMAN RETURNS script. Also, I told him I had to say the obligatory "fan" thing....all I said was "Brain.i.a.c". He then responded with, "don't worry, I'm a fan too ".

So I'm almost 100% sure this is who we will see. That, what Brandon said at the DVD/GAME release party, and now this and what Mike said about two villains is all pretty much confirming this news.

So I think that what we are looking at is something like this:

Main Villain: BRAIN.I.A.C.
Secondary Villain: Lex Luthor. Luthor has changed his goals and now sees this as an alien problem. He now knows of two Kryptonians on earth (Superman and Jason) and realizes what this means for humanity. He becomes much more political, looking for what will protect humans against this "threat". He is elected as a public official and starts "Project CADMUS" as a means to research and develop a way to stop Superman. One of the outcomes of CADMUS could be either Metallo or Bizzaro.

I think it will be something like that.

-R

If you are emailing him, which I can actually believe because I know 2 other people (linked to Bluetights.net and Justin) who stay in email contact with Mike and Dan (and they love hearing fan ideas)...

please dont tell them to do the Brain.I.A.C. name thing, its an unnecessary tribute to Smallville we dont need.


I dont mind if theres a human form of Brainiac, but I'm hoping they go the STAS route with his machine form.

 

[bosef982]

first of all, he was the one that created the first "official \S/uper-manips" thread. He's been here a while, he just got banned at one point...
second of all, I don't think he is going to be president, like everyone thinks... I believe that Lex instead will become the multimillionaire business Lex, because even though it's Business Lex, you can still have a large control of politics through an enormous technologically advanced business like LexCorp... ESPECIALLY after he tricks Brainiac into giving him while he wants and them backstabbing Brainiac by helping Superman destroy his only technological competition...

of course, these are all just thoughts...

Woah, why arey ou attacking me. I said the same thing you did...he's not a new poster! What the ****?

 

[bosef982]

I am actually hoping for a more developed Luthor. In my mind, I'd imagine Luthor in exile in Morrocco or something and someoen coming to him for his information on superman, offering him a chance, and Luthor usupring this man's prestige to gain control...I wrote about this in another thread.

 

[Super Kal]

Woah, why arey ou attacking me. I said the same thing you did...he's not a new poster! What the ****?

lol, oh... oops. I misread it.

i didn't mean to attack you either. sorry

 

[bosef982]

Okay. Cool....here I am trying to be more congiel than usual.

Anyway, I want to see a more wealthy scientsit Lex. I'm not a huge fan of President Luthor because it really "dates" the movie and also places it in sort of a odd, restrictive context. Luthor can do much more villianous things as a wealthy entrepeneur...also, having Luthor as President could stir some politicla controversy pertaining to real life politics....unintentionally, of coruse.

 

[dark_b]

i dont think he will be president.

 

[Zen Ith]

Reading some of the responses in this thread I can tell many of the naysayers aren't actually complaining to make sure changes are made (like they claim) but out of a personal vendetta against Singer.

And that's just sad.

On the lighter side of things, I think it's good they are trying to fix their mistakes. It's a healthy approach to film making.

 

[Robin91939]

um, it's Brainiac, not Brain.i.a.c.

I like the idea of him his name being a derivative of an acronym. It makes him seem more man made, robotic and machine. Having him as a Brain Inter Active Construct would be much less " sci-fi " sounding Brainiac as a name.

I wouldn't mind it either way though.

If you are emailing him, which I can actually believe because I know 2 other people (linked to Bluetights.net and Justin) who stay in email contact with Mike and Dan (and they love hearing fan ideas)...

I know you believe me, but I just want to make it more credible. Here's one of our emails:


Hey, thanks for the nice message --

You caught me online so I'll tell you, the original section I think I wrote and somehow it was condensed into what it is now. It used to read:

SUPERMAN
Listen. What do you hear?

LOIS
Nothing. Silence.

SUPERMAN
Do you know what I hear, Lois?
I hear everything. All the good and all the bad. Everything.
(beat)
You wrote that the world doesnt need a savior -- but every day I hear people crying for one.

I still prefer the original, even though its a little bit longer and more sappy -- just seemed like it needed the additional beat of drama. oh well. writing movies is all about realizing nothing you make is prescious!

Thanks for taking your family -- keep bringing people!

I'm back at home, a bit burned out, not shaving my face--haha... heading to NY to work on a script next week, and to attend my best friend from high school's wedding.

thanks again,
dan


-R

 

[Brainiac 2009]

Yup I heard that on the Dvd during Rouths audition too.

Good stuff.

 

[Robin91939]

Yup I heard that on the Dvd during Rouths audition too.

Good stuff.

Yeah, personally I'm glad it was condenced, I like the film version better. However, I do like the version of Clark and Lois' talk outside of the Planet near the cab better in the script version.

Something along the lines of:

"and if he saw you, even one last time, he wouldn't have been able to bring himself to leave".

-R

 

[Brainiac 2009]

It was a great line, but it makes it obvious that Clark is Superman though if he says that to her.

 

[dark_b]

Reading some of the responses in this thread I can tell many of the naysayers aren't actually complaining to make sure changes are made (like they claim) but out of a personal vendetta against Singer.

And that's just sad.

On the lighter side of things, I think it's good they are trying to fix their mistakes. It's a healthy approach to film making.

i am also getting this feeling. i didnt belive it but now i am not 100% anymore. i will watch this thread and threads that are similar. than will we see.

i really hope this is nto true.

 

[explode7]

Can I also create a thread about how I got info from an insider in the SR production crew and post that info although I haven't?

 

[X Knight]

i'm a naysayer....but I'm not attacking Singer.

I just want a better Superman movie......

oddly....I find myself more excited about the upcoming Iron Man movie than I do about a SR sequel..........

 

[The Batman]

want a biscuit?

 

[X Knight]

yes.....i love biscuits!!! and cookies too!

seriously.....if Braniac is indeed the villain.....how should he look?

 

[lexlives]

Can I also create a thread about how I got info from an insider in the SR production crew and post that info although I haven't?

This is the problem is it not?! There is another insider thread about inside info from the jason actor's (Tristan L.) grandfather on this board too.

Anyone can post anything and I expect both "sides" will try to spread dis-info. While in all the inside threads out there there may actually be on that is real. But there is no way to judge that. Not that the author of this post is spreading flase info but why should I believe this any more than I should believe what Tristan's grandfather is supposedly saying.

it is way too early for any definitive stuff re: a possible sequel.

I go by what Singer and D and other reportedly have said.

To whit more action and screentime for the kid and a different villain. Beyond that it is all rumor and frankly I don't think we will see any signficant changes other than more action and Jason screentime. Till I hear otherwise from the horses' mouths.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Been gone for months, got this info which is more than credible so posted it here. Not trying to stir any pot. I stake whatever reputation I have (don't make jokes please ) that this is more than even rumor. I am confident to call this fact. I'm so sure that if this were to be debunked officially... I will leave the hype forever having my user name banned.

This happened.

The above spoilers are true.

Read on...

Thanks for the info. For what it's worth, I believe you. I can understand if people are skeptical about what you have provided. But I have been lurking these boards for a long time before I joined and from seeing your posts before, I have no reason to believe you would be trying to deceive anyone. There are your occasional posters who do post bogus info just to get attention but then there are times when we do get legit pieces of info(Spider-Man 3 Q & A).

My thoughts, I think it would be extremely difficult to pull off President Lex considering Lois and Superman witnessed his attempt at New Krypton. How many times is the audience gonna be able to accept that Lex can so easily escape significant jail time? It would be easier to believe that he could escape jail time if he was already a high ranking official but I don't see this Lex as someone who has enough connections to manipulate the system. The obstacle to Corporate Lex or President Lex is this fiasco with New Krypton and Lois and Superman being witnesses, how does Lex overcome that? And as for Brainiac, and with all the talk surrounding his appearance, I would be shocked if he doesn't turn up in the sequel.

 

[explode7]

This is the problem is it not?! There is another insider thread about inside info from the jason actors (Tristan L.) grandfather on this board too.

Anyone can post anything and I expect both side will try to spread dis-info. Not that the author of this post necessarily is but why should I beleive this any more than I should beleive what Tristan's grandfather is supposedly saying.

it is way too early for any definitive stuff re: a possible sequel.

I go by what Singer and D and other reportedly have said.

To whit more action and screentime for the kid and a different villain. Beyond that it is all rumor and frankly I don't think we will see any signficant changes other than more action and Jason screentime. Till I hear otherwise from the horses' mouths.

Exactly thats why we should take JcDc's word or whoever he said he supposedly heard it from with a huuuuuuuuuuge grain of salt.

 

[explode7]

i'm a naysayer....but I'm not attacking Singer.

I just want a better Superman movie......

oddly....I find myself more excited about the upcoming Iron Man movie than I do about a SR sequel..........

Yes because IM is a fresh new idea brought onto the big screen unlike SR. And if you really look at it this way IM is really a dumbed down version of superman super strength, invulnerability, flight, lasers through the eyes. It would be funny if IM made more than SR being a samller version of superman.

 

[dark_b]

This is the problem is it not?! There is another insider thread about inside info from the jason actor's (Tristan L.) grandfather on this board too.

Anyone can post anything and I expect both "sides" will try to spread dis-info. While in all the inside threads out there there may actually be on that is real. But there is no way to judge that. Not that the author of this post is spreading flase info but why should I believe this any more than I should believe what Tristan's grandfather is supposedly saying.

it is way too early for any definitive stuff re: a possible sequel.

I go by what Singer and D and other reportedly have said.

To whit more action and screentime for the kid and a different villain. Beyond that it is all rumor and frankly I don't think we will see any signficant changes other than more action and Jason screentime. Till I hear otherwise from the horses' mouths.

did they really said that?

and p.s.. its not about to belive if \S/JcDc\S/ is telling the truth. its about if the guy who said to him was telling the truth. and about the other thread lexlives. its a thread whrere a guy is saying that the grandparents were talking with him and told him that tristan is testin rigs in 2006. now i am not saying that they guy made this up. its just that grandparents are old. and some of them are crazy. tristans are one of them. he is testing the rigs now? you dont have to be older than 5yr old to know that this is all bull....it.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

2) Nothing Singer can do is good for you, so you're opinion is pretty much moot. If Singer listens to the fans, then he's acknowledging SR's alleged failure???? How can he win? You just want him to fail, basically. If Singer reconstructs a new version, it's because he wanted to do that version now, to push it further, incorporate new elements -- this is by no means an anckowledgement of failure. Just changing the area.

It's funny how there was a thread created about how great Raimi was because he listened to the fans and included Venom in SM3. But, if Singer listens to the fans, then it's just an admission of the mistakes he made with SR . I have stated that I thought Singer should have lifted more ideas from the comics for SR and if he is doing it now for the sequel, then I am happy. Lets be fair here.