Siegel's Family Reclaims Share of Superman Rights - May effect JLA

FlawlessVictory

Superhero
Joined
Dec 4, 2006
Messages
8,619
Reaction score
0
Points
31
Ruling Gives Heirs a Share of Superman Copyright

By MICHAEL CIEPLY
Published: March 29, 2008

LOS ANGELES — Time Warner is no longer the sole proprietor of Superman.

A federal judge here on Wednesday ruled that the heirs of Jerome Siegel — who 70 years ago sold the rights to the action hero he created with Joseph Shuster to Detective Comics for $130 — were entitled to claim a share of the United States copyright to the character. The ruling left intact Time Warner’s international rights to the character, which it has long owned through its DC Comics unit.

And it reserved for trial questions over how much the company may owe the Siegel heirs for use of the character since 1999, when their ownership is deemed to have been restored. Also to be resolved is whether the heirs are entitled to payments directly from Time Warner’s film unit, Warner Brothers, which took in $200 million at the domestic box office with “Superman Returns” in 2006, or only from the DC unit’s Superman profits.

Still, the ruling threatened to complicate Warner’s plans to make more films featuring Superman, including another sequel and a planned movie based on the DC Comics’ “Justice League of America,” in which he joins Batman, Wonder Woman and other superheroes to battle evildoers.

If the ruling survives a Time Warner legal challenge, it may also open the door to a similar reversion of rights to the estate of Mr. Shuster in 2013. That would give heirs of the two creators control over use of their lucrative character until at least 2033 — and perhaps longer, if Congress once again extends copyright terms — according to Marc Toberoff, a lawyer who represents the Siegels and the Shuster estate.

“It would be very powerful,” said Mr. Toberoff, speaking by telephone on Friday. “After 2013, Time Warner couldn’t exploit any new Superman-derived works without a license from the Siegels and Shusters.”

Time Warner lawyers declined to discuss the decision, a spokesman said. A similar ruling in 2006 allowed the Siegels to recapture their rights in the Superboy character, without determining whether Superboy was, in fact, the basis for Warner Brothers’s “Smallville” television series. The decision was later challenged in a case that has yet to be resolved, said Mr. Toberoff, who represented the family in that action.

This week’s decision by Stephen G. Larson, a judge in the Federal District Court for the Central District of California, provided long-sought vindication to the wife and daughter of Mr. Siegel, who had bemoaned until his death in 1996 having parted so cheaply with rights to the lucrative hero.

“We were just stubborn,” Joanne Siegel, Mr. Siegel’s widow, said in a joint interview with her daughter, Laura Siegel Larson. “It was a dream of Jerry’s, and we just took up the task.”

The ruling specifically upheld the Seigels’ copyright in the Superman material published in Detective Comics’ Action Comics Vol. 1. The extent to which later iterations of the character are derived from that original was not determined by the judge.

In an unusually detailed narrative, the judge’s 72-page order described how Mr. Siegel and Mr. Shuster, as teenagers at Glenville High School in Cleveland, became friends and collaborators on their school newspaper in 1932. They worked together on a short story, “The Reign of the Superman,” in which their famous character first appeared not as hero, but villain.

By 1937, the pair were offering publishers comic strips in which the classic Superman elements — cape, logo and Clark Kent alter-ego — were already set. When Detective Comics bought 13 pages of work for its new Action Comics series the next year, the company sent Mr. Siegel a check for $130, and received in return a release from both creators granting the company rights to Superman “to have and hold forever,” the order noted.

In the late 1940s, a referee in a New York court upheld Detective Comics’ copyright, prompting Mr. Siegel and Mr. Shuster to drop their claim in exchange for $94,000. More than 30 years later, DC Comics (the successor to Detective Comics) gave the creators each a $20,000-per-year annuity that was later increased to $30,000. In 1997, however, Mrs. Siegel and her daughter served copyright termination notices under provisions of a 1976 law that permits heirs, under certain circumstances, to recover rights to creations.

Mr. Toberoff, their lawyer, has been something of a gadfly to Warner in the past. In the late 1990s, for example, he represented Gilbert Ralston, a television writer, in a legal battle over his rights in the CBS television series “The Wild Wild West,” which was the basis for a 1999 Warner Brothers film that starred Will Smith. The case, said Mr. Toberoff, was settled.

Compensation to the Siegels would be limited to any work created after their 1999 termination date. Income from the 1978 “Superman” film, or the three sequels that followed in the 1980s, are not at issue. But a “Superman Returns” sequel being planned with the filmmaker Bryan Singer (who has also directed “The Usual Suspects” and “X-Men”) might require payments to the Siegels, should they prevail in a demand that the studio’s income, not just that of the comics unit, be subject to a court-ordered accounting.

Mrs. Siegel and Ms. Larson said it was too soon to make future plans for the Superman character. But they were inclined to relish this moment.

“I have lived in the shadow of this my whole life,” Ms. Larson said. “I am so happy now, I just can’t explain it.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/business/media/29comics.html?ref=media
 
Well, I'm happy for the family. But for my own sake; Oh bloody hell. Hope this does not mean that Superman will be off the big screen for years to come. :(
 
well we dont know what this means at this time. from what i know and have looked up wb/dc has to pay the families a percentage of proceeds on the chater from 99-now and then its possible in 2013 they could have sole ownership on him and they could do what they want.
 
well we dont know for sure at this time wb/dc probably just has to pay the families a percentage of proceeds and all that. but if they do get sole rights in 2013 they they could prevent wb/dc using the character in any form and if they wanted could move the character to another company like marvel, or an indy company. But we dont know at this time.
 
This is good news for JL. Hopefully Superman will be removed from this film.
 
yea in the other thread i was saying i would think it would be stupid for the family to take it away from wb/dc where it is getting them/making all the money. Wb/dc will probably just make a money settlement with the families to continue using the character. But if it was to be stripped from dc it would be so weird and more weird if it went to another company like marvel or some independent company.
 
yea in the other thread i was saying i would think it would be stupid for the family to take it away from wb/dc where it is getting them/making all the money. Wb/dc will probably just make a money settlement with the families to continue using the character. But if it was to be stripped from dc it would be so weird and more weird if it went to another company like marvel or some independent company.

Yea but I'm sure the Siegels and Shusters are not too fond of Time Warner right now considering the legal battle they are going through over this character and how cheated they feel. So, if they have the ability to take the character someplace else, for a good chunk of money, why not? They would probably love to stick it to Time Warner.
 
yea your right but why would they want to drop it from the place that is making them all the money.... I bet wb/dc will make settlement payments to the families at a rightful ammount of money. But then when 2013 comes or before i bet wb/dc will try to make agreements with the families to continue using the rights and all that. IT would be better to keep it where it is and all that. For dc sakes if they were to lose supes it would be so hard to wipe all of the supes characters from dc universe and add it to another company like marvel/indepentant. We have wait and see what comes out of this whole thing.
 
these people can get so annoying
 
Yea but I'm sure the Siegels and Shusters are not too fond of Time Warner right now considering the legal battle they are going through over this character and how cheated they feel. So, if they have the ability to take the character someplace else, for a good chunk of money, why not? They would probably love to stick it to Time Warner.



Looking at that from the families P.O.V., I probably would be a little bitter. Didn't many artists band together to try and make Warner/DC give Siegel & Shuster pension plans after allll of the money their character made for the company?

Still, it would be very odd not to have Superman in the DC Universe if the families choose to pack him up and venture elsewhere...
 
that what i heard happened or tried to happen in the 70s.
 
Can you imagine if the families moved Superman to Marvel Comics how that would change the arguements on message boards everywhere when it came to the already endless Marvel vs. DC debate?

Talk about emasculating your arsenal if it ends that way. :funny:
 
Well is Superman went to Marvel, atleast we would get to see a Superman trilogy in the not so distant future...
 
Can you imagine if the families moved Superman to Marvel Comics how that would change the arguements on message boards everywhere when it came to the already endless Marvel vs. DC debate?

Talk about emasculating your arsenal if it ends that way.

LOL, that would be insane.
 
well right now the thing is sigels family has 50% share of the rights and they are due proceeds of the characters from 99-now. WB/dc from now-2013 can still use and make things with the character they will as i said just have to pay the families. ITs the 2013 thing that is the big issue the heir of shuster gains his 50% in 2013 and if dc/wb cant make settlements and agree to continue to use the rights then superman is gone from DC because they will have no share in the rights anymore. I would think though even if the families dont like dc and wb right now it would be a smarter move to keep it where it is and just recieve the money they are due from wb/dc then trying to take the character somewhere else where it could fail if they can or cant use all of the character's mythos and all that.
 
Can you imagine if the families moved Superman to Marvel Comics how that would change the arguements on message boards everywhere when it came to the already endless Marvel vs. DC debate?

Talk about emasculating your arsenal if it ends that way. :funny:

Marvel is already owning DC right now, and if somehow, someway S&S decided to sell it to Marvel Studios, there is no agrument which company is and will be better for years to come...

Batman vs. Superman/Spiderman/X-men....
 
It would be so weird seeing Superman in the Marvel universe. But if it happens, it happens.
 
yes it so would. Even though i am not a dc comics reader i would so be buying the last dc superman comic and the first one of it in another company.
 
God, I just in the end this all works out...

The last thing I want to see is Superman in the Avengers, or Superman in some crappy comic universe of his own :(.
 
I'm glad the fam FINALLY gets a share.....but NO WAY do i want WB/DC to cease with the Superman stuff!!! He's an icon, dammit! NO license can hold the man of steel!!!!!
 
Can you imagine if the families moved Superman to Marvel Comics how that would change the arguements on message boards everywhere when it came to the already endless Marvel vs. DC debate?

Talk about emasculating your arsenal if it ends that way. :funny:

Oh ****.....armeggedon has begun....
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top
monitoring_string = "afb8e5d7348ab9e99f73cba908f10802"