Superman Returns Singer mentioned that this would vaguely tie in with Smallville, how so???

[Mr. Credible]

wow... that episode synopsis does sound like butt. but, i'll still tivo it and watch it... twice.

i love that show. i don't care what they change, never read the comics anyway.

oh, and Nate, if you want people to start taking you seriously, and not think you're 12 years old, start using commas and periods and the like. you know, punctuation? run-on sentences are not cool.








...not cool

 

[NateGray]

wow... that episode synopsis does sound like butt. but, i'll still tivo it and watch it... twice.

i love that show. i don't care what they change, never read the comics anyway.

oh, and Nate, if you want people to start taking you seriously, and not think you're 12 years old, start using commas and periods and the like. you know, punctuation? run-on sentences are not cool.








...not cool

Yes my punctuation sucks and I know it and could easily correct it if I cared....

See I might have cared if I had not been bashed multiple times for just stating my opinion about Brian Singer and his vision's x-men and superman that I am not to fond of.

The people who are fond of Mr Singer will have no negative opinions of there hero and bash anyone with the nerve to have a bad opinion of Mr Singer like I do.

As for people taking me serious on this site LMAO yeh I care what people think about me on this site.

Here's an easy concept if you do not like my posts ignore me and you will never see them see how easy that is......

Sorry if that seems rude and I will try to keep my grammar upto par when I post anything that is not a response to direct attacks against me like calling me an idiot.

 

[The Kid]

I fear most have never given smallville a single chance and just hated it from the start or something because of a few deviations from the almighty source. I guess ignorance is bliss for me since I don't know **** about the source so my horse is pretty down to earth. heh the essence of the character is all I care about in that fanbooy way.

Hey Nate, be cool and give SR a chance even though you don't like what Singer's been doing to it. That's what i"m doing anyway.

 

[GothicPowerMix1]

He got pwned so easily, it was sad.

The main problem I had was why the heck would Braniac attack Clark before Zod is freed ? Sure Chloe would have gotten there but shed be late. Clark was standing there right next to Braniac waiting for ZOD. What Braniac should have done was wait for Zod to get freed & then attack Clark together with Zod. I always hated how he got taken out so Stupidly. I dont call Braniac getting beated first time easily. I call it stupidity.

 

[skruloos]

Everything I post is my opinion fracking DIP**** sheesh a MORON in every crowd to bad you are a SInger suckup and cannot see the world through your own eyes.....

While it's true that every post you make is your opinion, no opinions are created equal. If you don't have any evidence or facts to back up your opinion, then it's just you blowing hot air. We don't know what the facts are surrounding Singer's story. You have your own conclusions but no factual evidence to back it up since none of us have seen the movie yet.

However, the people who talk about Smallville do have factual evidence behind them. They can state specific instances where characters have been changed from their comics counterparts. What can you offer? Conjecture and speculation, neither of which hold any water. You're free to have an opinion, as is everyone else. But if you're going to an argument armed with just your opinion and no evidence to support it? It's like walking into battle with a gun without any bullets.

 

[Saint]

But whereas Jonathan died of natural causes in the Reeve/Routh timeline, Smallville's Jonathan died as a result of Clark willingly sacrificing one life in exchange for reviving Lana. The last thing I want to see the movie acknowledge is Superman being responsible for the death of his own father.

The only connection I want to see is the Fortress. Anything else would be a waste of time.

Sadly I must agree with King Krypton--whose opinions I otherwise despise. Superman has never needed GUILT to motivate him; that's not what he's about. Superman has never needed somebody to DIE to teach him about the right and wrong of the world. The death of Jonathan in Smallville was ridiculous garbage, and executed with the utmost lack of understanding for the character of Superman.

 

[Mentok]

Exactly, Clark didnt embark on his journey to become Superman because of guilt over his fathers death.

It should never be that way.

 

[Scooter]

I don't think they're making it that way...

 

[Mentok]

I don't think they're making it that way...

What? Smallville or SUPERMAN RETURNS?

 

[Scooter]

Either.

 

[LostSon88]

Exactly, Clark didnt embark on his journey to become Superman because of guilt over his fathers death.

It should never be that way.

Who said it will?

From all indications it appears that Clark's journey to become Superman will have much to do with his desire to make Jonathan proud (Martha: "He never doubted the man you would become...a man HE could look up to." PARAPHRASING).

Yes Clark feels guilty over the death of his father, but guess what...so did the SV Clark Kent in Superman: The Movie ("with all of my abilities, there was nothing I could do" PARAPHRASED)

Jonathan's death has NEVER been the driving force that creates Superman (he's not Spider-man or Batman) and it never will be. Regardless of how it happened, Jonathans death is merely the jumping off point in Clarks quest to become Superman, IT IS NOT the definitive driving force.

 

[Saint]

It shouldn't have any influence at all (and shouldn't have happened in STM, either). Again: Superman never needed anyone to die to teach him a lesson, and it's very clear that Smallville has used Jonathan's death as a lesson about consequences.

 

[LostSon88]

It shouldn't have any influence at all (and shouldn't have happened in STM, either). Again: Superman never needed anyone to die to teach him a lesson, and it's very clear that Smallville has used Jonathan's death as a lesson about consequences.

Jonathan's death in SV IMHO WAS NOT used as a lesson about consequences. If you recall, the very next scene w/ Martha & Clark on the farm, although the tone of the conversation initially was with a guilt-ridden Clark, the convo almost immediately became one about Clark making his father proud.

Its actually quite apparent after subsequent viewings of that scene that the lesson the producers/writers are trying to get across was not for Clark to feel guilty about Jonathans death...it was about Clark realizing that its time to step up and be the man Jonathan always hoped he would become.

That's how I always took it. I thought it was obvious?

 

[Saint]

Jonathan's death in SV IMHO WAS NOT used as a lesson about consequences. If you recall, the very next scene w/ Martha & Clark on the farm, although the tone of the conversation initially was with a guilt-ridden Clark, the convo almost immediately became one about Clark making his father proud.

Which does not defeat the theme of consequences.

Its actually quite apparent after subsequent viewings of that scene that the lesson the producers/writers are trying to get across was not for Clark to feel guilty about Jonathans death...it was about Clark realizing that its time to step up and be the man Jonathan always hoped he would become.

That's how I always took it. I thought it was obvious?

Yeah, and I thought Jor-El constantly talking about consequences was pretty obvious, too.

 

[Pickle-El]

Sadly I must agree with King Krypton--whose opinions I otherwise despise. Superman has never needed GUILT to motivate him; that's not what he's about. Superman has never needed somebody to DIE to teach him about the right and wrong of the world. The death of Jonathan in Smallville was ridiculous garbage, and executed with the utmost lack of understanding for the character of Superman.

But it was the 100th Eppy!!!!!!

 

[Pickle-El]

I don't think they're making it that way...

In the SV universe, I do.

 

[LostSon88]

Which does not defeat the theme of consequences.

Yeah, and I thought Jor-El constantly talking about consequences was pretty obvious, too.

Agreed. But what I think i'm trying to argue is that the theme of guilt and conseqeunces IS NOT the overall reason Clark becomes Superman in the SV universe and that it's only a part of the journey but not the definitve reason...this was in complete relation to an above poster who suggested otherwise.

And yes in the traditional sense, Superman should not be created out of ANY form of guilt, but for me so long as they keep the orignal rational behind it (inspire, do good, make Jonathan/Jor-El proud, etc.) and NOT turn him into a Spider-man type of guilt trip issue, than I have no problem with "guilt" and "consequences" playing a tiny part in a MODERNIZED interpretation of the Superman mythology...so long as they are NOT the "above all reasoning" b/c if that happens than I agree, it will no longer be Superman.

 

[Scooter]

In the SV universe, I do.

I don't know. It's hard to say, as we're only a few episodes past that. I think it factors in as a lesson (one of many) for Clark, but isn't the reason he becomes Superman; isn't the catalyst that brings about that decision.

In the limited aftermath we've had to date, they don't seem to really being playing on the theme of guilt. It seems they're doing more to emphasize the effect Johnny-boy's life had on Clark, his legacy and expactations, and I expect they'll run with that.

 

[Kane]

But it was the 100th Eppy!!!!!!

I agree considering Clark and Jor-El are both directly responsible for how Jonathan Kent died.

In Superman the Movie, Jonathan died of natural causes and Clark said that with all the powers he had, he couldnt save him.....so it wasnt guilt, there was nothing he could have done.

How Smallville plans to overcome this guilt factor is probably tied to the Void episode and Jonathans ghost talking to Clark. He said these words in the promo "I was proud to die protecting your secret"....

While that ep should allieviate the guilt problem, the storyline with John's ghost and the Kryptonite drug flatlining is pure sh^t.

 

[AgentPat]

Its actually quite apparent after subsequent viewings of that scene that the lesson the producers/writers are trying to get across was not for Clark to feel guilty about Jonathans death...it was about Clark realizing that its time to step up and be the man Jonathan always hoped he would become.

I think it factors in as a lesson (one of many) for Clark, but isn't the reason he becomes Superman; isn't the catalyst that brings about that decision.

In the limited aftermath we've had to date, they don't seem to really being playing on the theme of guilt. It seems they're doing more to emphasize the effect Johnny-boy's life had on Clark, his legacy and expactations, and I expect they'll run with that.

It's nice to see some people actually *get* it around here.

Superman cares about all people, but one of his greatest lessons in life is that he can't save everybody, as much as he might try. But he's also bullheaded. So that lesson doesn't always sink in. He will forever TRY to save EVERYBODY. It's what makes him Superman, among other things.

 

[Kane]

Superman doesnt put on a red K ring intentionally (knowing what it does) and drive to a city populated with millions of people.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

It's nice to see some people actually *get* it around here.

Superman cares about all people, but one of his greatest lessons in life is that he can't save everybody, as much as he might try. But he's also bullheaded. So that lesson doesn't always sink in. He will forever TRY to save EVERYBODY. It's what makes him Superman, among other things.

Truth

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Superman doesnt put on a red K ring intentionally (knowing what it does) and drive to a city populated with millions of people.

If he's a confused teenager he does, what's wrong with showing the mortal thought process as a youth? He takes these lessons to make him a true hero. If not, he would be the naive chump he was in Dark Knight Returns. Unless that's the Superman you want....

 

[Kane]

My point was proving he isnt Superman at this point. Young, misguided Clark Kent is where hes at. His mistakes seemed to lead to his father's death, Peter Parker-style.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

But I dont think he was neglegent like Peter was when he let that dude go.It's like I said, Superheroes borrow from each other in updating andcreating origins, much like any other genre its almost part of the basic rules of orgins (Tragedy, Accident, outcast= seeds of origin), as long as the use of the event is put in a way that shows a legitimate and more believeable way to the character's origin it works and it clearly relates to them. So Pa Kent's death as a result of a deal works. Im the end there's a lot of groundwork to go on like Jor-El explaining why the path and consequences are like this but at this point laying the ground over 6 seasons plus is working well.