Comics "Sins Past" Question...

[Chris Wallace]

Would you have liked it had Sarah & Gabriel been Peter's kids, & Gwen never slept w/Norman at all?

 

[SouLeSS]

I'de rather it never to of happened.

 

[gliderpilotgirl]

A most Definate No, to the Peter's kids part, not Norman. I mean ideally, it would be good if Gwen had never slept with Norman, but having Gwen's kids around when Peter is with MJ would furthur undermine the marriage. It would be best if they kept it the way it was pre Spider-man Blue and Sin's Past. Gwen as the lost love, safe in Peter's heart, not forgotten, but he's healed and moved on. And the kids not existing.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Do what I do-choose to remember her that way.

 

[JackSkellington]

Would you have liked it had Sarah & Gabriel been Peter's kids, & Gwen never slept w/Norman at all?

Naaah. I love the fact that Norman got jiggy with & knocked up Peter's 1st love.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I would have probably have gotten much more enjoyment out of it. Though it still wouldn't have fit into continuity what so ever. Which would have still bothered me intensely.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Finally-SOMETHING that bothers you!

 

[SpideyInATree]

I've already said a million times that Sins Past bothered me because it was impossible in continuity, no matter how hard they tried to make it fit.

And I've gone on the record a million times stating that The Other bothered me to no end because JMS ruined his own totem storyline which had a fantastic ending with the Book of Ezekiel and should have been left alone.

 

[Chris Wallace]

1-get a sense of humor. I was just messin' with you.
2-I have only really seen you on the CW-related threads.
3-I liked the Ezekiel storyline AT FIRST, b/c you didn't really have to accept the "totem" angle; it was more a possible explanation than a definite one. It could've been the radiation, it could've been magic. It was more or less up to us. "The Other" & his subsequent "evolution" just shoved the magic angle down our throats & led to even worse plot devices afterward.

 

[SpideyInATree]

1-get a sense of humor. I was just messin' with you.
2-I have only really seen you on the CW-related threads.
3-I liked the Ezekiel storyline AT FIRST, b/c you didn't really have to accept the "totem" angle; it was more a possible explanation than a definite one. It could've been the radiation, it could've been magic. It was more or less up to us. "The Other" & his subsequent "evolution" just shoved the magic angle down our throats & led to even worse plot devices afterward.

Kind of hard to keep a sense of humor around these forums with all the anger and bitterness.

 

[Dope Nose]

Sins Past should be retconned so that Sarah and Gabriel are actually the offspring of the Gwen clone (last featured in the Maximum Clonage storyline), their premature aging being a result of their mother's origins as she would have been prematurely aged to adulthood as well.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Kind of hard to keep a sense of humor around these forums with all the anger and bitterness.

You're gonna have to work on that. remember that the chief purpose of these boards is to have fun.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I don't really see too many people around here having fun. The only non-negative threads I think I see regularly are the Ultimate Spider-Man, Ben Reilly thread, and the Spider-Girl thread.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Au contraire-many posters find their greatest enjoyment in trashing what others enjoy.
Others enjoy a good debate. I personally love it when either there's equal validity on both sides, or each side os so committed that the posts become a joy to read.
Yes, some seem to wanna choke the fun right out of a thread, but I pay them no attention.

 

[Dark Phantom]

Sins Past should be retconned so that Sarah and Gabriel are actually the offspring of the Gwen clone (last featured in the Maximum Clonage storyline), their premature aging being a result of their mother's origins as she would have been prematurely aged to adulthood as well.

If that was the case.....then who knocked up the Gwen clone?!!

Jackal?!

 

[Dope Nose]

If that was the case.....then who knocked up the Gwen clone?!!

Jackal?!

no reason it can't still be Norman given he was revealed to be behind the entire Clone Saga anyway.

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

no reason it can't still be Norman given he was revealed to be behind the entire Clone Saga anyway.

did he sleep with her before or after his killed the real one?

 

[freemadison]

I don't really see too many people around here having fun. The only non-negative threads I think I see regularly are the Ultimate Spider-Man, Ben Reilly thread, and the Spider-Girl thread.

WOOOOOOOOOO!

EDIT: Gwen should never have had kids. But Gwen clone.....

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

I've already said a million times that Sins Past bothered me because it was impossible in continuity, no matter how hard they tried to make it fit.

And I've gone on the record a million times stating that The Other bothered me to no end because JMS ruined his own totem storyline which had a fantastic ending with the Book of Ezekiel and should have been left alone.

Another thing we agree on... but going on the main topic... The Real Gwen shouldn't have gotten pregnant... The clone... that's another story...

 

[Cullen]

Kind of hard to keep a sense of humor around these forums with all the anger and bitterness.

Try being one of the angry, bitter people.

 

[Dragon]

Would you have liked it had Sarah & Gabriel been Peter's kids, & Gwen never slept w/Norman at all?

Them being Peter's kids would have been better than what we got. But the overall storyline wasn't great. The battles, the super progeria.. the "resolution", the birth of yet another Goblin.. the direction was all wrong.

If you start with the basic idea of Peter and Gwen having children that Peter doesn't know about..well that can be interesting.

Let's say that when Gwen left for London she was carrying a bundle then. Which would explain moreso why she was upset that Peter didn't demand she stay and propose to her- losing her dad and discovering she's also pregnant is alot to deal with.

And while in my own fanfic I came up with what I think is a better explanation for their accelerated growth, starting from scratch, I think I might've had them their appropriate age.

 

[shinlyle]

Well, here's my opinion...

It should have never happend. Period. These are the 6 issues of Spider-Man history that, could I only choose one Spider-Man story to erase from history, it would be Sins Past.

I hate the unmasking, but it DOES fit into continuity, even if it is totally out of character for Peter Parker. It still happened, and it doesn't ruin everything in the past like Sins Past did.

I hate the Iron Sidekick costume, but it is just a costume, when you get down to it. Also, he didn't have the costume because of some imaginary, off-panel encounter from 20 years ago that doesn't fit in anywhere, so it isn't as big a set-off as Sins Past.

Honestly, after reading the issues featuring Gwen and Peter as a couple, and there are quite a few of them, it's hard, almost impossible, for me to believe that Peter and Gwen never slept together. Hell, they kissed in front of her dad after Peter recovered fromt he amnesia he got from Doc Ock! That was a pretty public Display of Affection for a girl that wouldn't give it up to her boyfriend of, how long did they go out in comic-time? 2 years?! Sorry...in the 70's, it was still unheard of. Come on.

Also, Gwen would have NEVER EVER slept with Norman...especially while she was with Peter! How can anyone have read those stories, and think that that sweet, DEVOTED girl would have ever cheated on Peter with a male underwear model, let alone a creepy 50 year-old man with recurring nightmares and washboard hair?!?!

This is the one storyline that will always be remembered as a total pooch-screw. It doesn't matter if the kids were Harry's (not as bad as Norman), Peter's (Not as bad as Norman's), or Norman's (worst idea ever), This storyline should have never taken place. Those kids should never have been born, and this storyline should never have been written.

 

[arachnid-guy]

Shoot me. I recently enjoyed SP.

Ah well. Most parts are terrible, but the dynamic of Gabe & Sarah is intriguing. I don't want another 'debate' like I had with 'the Other'.

Just my opinion.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

For the most part, I agree with Shin's post, as always. Good points as usual, buddy.

However, if I were forced to choose between Gabe and Sarah being Peter's kids or Norman's kids, with no third option, I would choose Norman's - now, bear with me here.

Normally I would choose Peter's, but there is absolutely NO WAY to fit Gwen being pregnant in those old issues, no matter how you slice it. Even if you concede that the two slept together (which I'm fairly positive they did), it's hard to accept that she could have been pregnant at all in that time.

I would choose Norman on the stipulation that, at the end of the arc, we discovered it was just a big mind-**** at Peter. In Sins Past Part 6, we would discover that while Gabe and Sarah were technically genetic offspring of Norman and Gwen, they were actually created in a lab by Miles Warren using DNA of the two, and Norman and Gwen never slept together.

IMO, that would have been far better than would we had gotten, and it keeps JMS' precious "Grey Goblin" in continuity as well.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

EDIT: Double post. Oops.